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Vatican upset with Holocaust Memorial

Postby Erwachtist » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:33 pm)

[looks like another attempt to embarass the Vatican over WWII involvement]
INTL - Vatican threatens to boycott Holocaust memorial
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Vatican threatens to boycott Holocaust memorial
Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:44PM BST
By Corinne Heller

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The Vatican ambassador to Israel threatened on Thursday to boycott a Holocaust memorial ceremony next week over a museum's portrayal of Pope Pius XII's conduct during the Nazis' killing of Jews in World War Two.

Archbishop Antonio Franco said he had written to the director of the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum asking for the revision of a caption suggesting the wartime Pope had been apathetic to the Jews' plight.

The caption, quoted in the Israeli press, says Pope Pius XII "abstained from signing the Allied declaration condemning the extermination of the Jews" and "maintained his neutral position throughout the war".

Archbishop Franco said that in his letter he advised the Holocaust museum he "would not feel comfortable going to Yad Vashem" unless the wording was amended or the photo removed.

The photo appears in a new part of the museum that was opened in 2005. Yad Vashem hosts Israel's annual state ceremony to mark Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Day, which will take place on Sunday.

Archbishop Franco said he had not received an answer from the museum, which hosts foreign ambassadors at the event.

Defenders of Pope Pius XII have said he did everything possible to help Jews, while critics have portrayed him as an anti-Semite and Germanophile whose views were formed while working in Germany before his election as Pope in 1939.

Yad Vashem, which contains the largest archive of data on the Holocaust in which six million Jews were killed, said in a statement it had told the Vatican's representative "it was willing to continue examining the issue".

In its statement, Yad Vashem said it would welcome the opportunity to study the Vatican's archives relating to Pope Pius XII "to possibly learn new and different information" about him.

Historians have called on the Vatican to fully open archives for the papacy of Pius XII, which ended in 1958.
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Postby diaz52 » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:39 pm)

Erwachtist wrote:[looks like another attempt to embarass the Vatican over WWII involvement]

INTL - Vatican threatens to boycott Holocaust memorial

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Vatican threatens to boycott Holocaust memorial
Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:44PM BST
By Corinne Heller

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The Vatican ambassador to Israel threatened on Thursday to boycott a Holocaust memorial ceremony next week over a museum's portrayal of Pope Pius XII's conduct during the Nazis' killing of Jews in World War Two.

Archbishop Antonio Franco said he had written to the director of the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum asking for the revision of a caption suggesting the wartime Pope had been apathetic to the Jews' plight.

The caption, quoted in the Israeli press, says Pope Pius XII "abstained from signing the Allied declaration condemning the extermination of the Jews" and "maintained his neutral position throughout the war".

Archbishop Franco said that in his letter he advised the Holocaust museum he "would not feel comfortable going to Yad Vashem" unless the wording was amended or the photo removed.

The photo appears in a new part of the museum that was opened in 2005. Yad Vashem hosts Israel's annual state ceremony to mark Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Day, which will take place on Sunday.

Archbishop Franco said he had not received an answer from the museum, which hosts foreign ambassadors at the event.

Defenders of Pope Pius XII have said he did everything possible to help Jews, while critics have portrayed him as an anti-Semite and Germanophile whose views were formed while working in Germany before his election as Pope in 1939.

Yad Vashem, which contains the largest archive of data on the Holocaust in which six million Jews were killed, said in a statement it had told the Vatican's representative "it was willing to continue examining the issue".

In its statement, Yad Vashem said it would welcome the opportunity to study the Vatican's archives relating to Pope Pius XII "to possibly learn new and different information" about him.

Historians have called on the Vatican to fully open archives for the papacy of Pius XII, which ended in 1958.

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Whoa, nelly. Sounds like the Church may have grown a pair. Good to hear! :!: :!: :!:
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:46 pm)

Yad Vashem, which contains the largest archive of data on the Holocaust in which six million Jews were killed, said in a statement it had told the Vatican's representative "it was willing to continue examining the issue".

In its statement, Yad Vashem said it would welcome the opportunity to study the Vatican's archives relating to Pope Pius XII "to possibly learn new and different information" about him.

Yad Vashem's 'archive of data' contains nothing which hasn't been exposed as utterly fraudulent. Their archive starts with a conclusion without providing proof of that conclusion. Train & deportation records are not proof of the absurd '6,000,000'.

The Vatican's archives are something the judeo-supremacists should leave alone. Just like the Red Cross archives at Arolsen, these archives would in fact would refute the absurd tales of 'gas chambers & 6,000,000'.

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Postby gretel » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:46 pm)

The caption, quoted in the Israeli press, says Pope Pius XII "abstained from signing the Allied declaration condemning the extermination of the Jews" and "maintained his neutral position throughout the war".




Is anyone familiar with this allied declaration? Was it written during or after the war?

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Postby nashchad » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:53 pm)

How many Rabbis would speak out against the genocide of right-wing militants? Probably none.

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Postby Breker » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:23 pm)

We find this to be duplicitous:
The caption, quoted in the Israeli press, says Pope Pius XII "abstained from signing the Allied declaration condemning the extermination of the Jews" and "maintained his neutral position throughout the war".

It attempts to disguise the obvious, the Vatican correctly found no evidence of "extermination of the Jews".

And we would really like to see this "Allied declaration". As gretel states:
Is anyone familiar with this allied declaration? Was it written during or after the war?

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Postby Henry » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:40 am)

It was said, 'How many Rabbis would speak out against the genocide of right-wing militants? Probably none.'

Well, Meir Kahane would have. Or Yaacov Perrin, right?

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Postby Erwachtist » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:30 pm)

The so called Allied Declaration was mentioned in the newspaper today as being circulated in 1942. It probably did not get much attention until after the end of the war when the Jews had pictures of typhoid victims to use as grist for the propaganda mills, as well as control of the Nuremberg trials to "legitamize" their claims.
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Postby Erwachtist » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:32 pm)

pardon me - - typhus victims.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:19 pm)

From what I now know about this 'Allied Declaration', it appears government officials didn't even believe the propaganda that judeo-supremacists insisted be issued.

In an exercise in understatement, Britain's Joint Intelligence Committee, Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, commented:
"The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up."


Any references to 'gas chambers' were rightfully found to be absurd and struck from the declaration, there is no proof for the 'massacres of Jews' as alleged. There has not been one mass grave that can be shown which confirms the stories of the 'holocaust', not one.

Clearly, judeo-communist propaganda was the impetus behind this declaration of misinformation. So typical then, so common now.

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Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:27 pm)

The Pope knew exactly what was happening and what was not happening in the camps. If the Holiest man in Europe didn't speak out against the gassing, it didn't happen.

How so? Due to the fact that thousands of ordinary Polish, German and other Europeans either worked in the camps, lived near the camps, or delivered goods and services to the camps every day, and due to the fact that the majority of them were good Catholics who went to confession every week, the Pope, through his Priest spy network, had a complete knowledge of the camps.

However to make the story stick, the Zionists have had to besmirch the Holy father's good name.

Just remember these are the same guys who treated 800,000 Palestinians like ground hogs when they drove them off their farms, villages , orchards and homes in 1948.
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Postby vincentferrer » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:42 am)

Thank you for making this point. It is so true that the Vatican has a good handle on many issues in the world via its worldwide priest network.

I grew up hearing Paul Harvey in the early 1960's talk about how the Jews were made into lampshades and soap during my lunch break from school. I was too young to know the truth, but always thought doing that was probably impossible. I also grew up in a German neighborhood and found them to be the best of neighbors and friends.
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Postby Henry » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:39 pm)

This is the first I've heard of a Papist spy network. Is there a good book out there on this?

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Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:07 pm)

Hello- I know of no book which states that the Catholic Priests gathered information during confession from the ordinary Europeans who had access to the camps through their daily work or who happened to live near the camps.

However keep in mind that every day thousands of such people existed, delivered food, medicine, mail, and the hundreds of other things needed to look after hundreds of thousands of people who were interned in the camps. Also remember that most of these camps were used for the Nazi war effort building everything from helmets to V2 missiles, so there was a lot of coming and going in all the camps.

I know that tens of thousands of such “spies” existed and no doubt they went to confession every week and told their priests about what they had seen in the camps, in the trains, the railway stations and so on. There would be very few secrets in the camps. And none from the Pope.

And probably none from Stalin, who had communist spies everywhere. Or Churchill. Both of whom also said nothing about gassing...

It would make a good spy story though but it would never get printed because we all know who controls the publishing business. Unless, of course, the spies claimed they saw the gassing..told their Priests ...and the Pope did nothing....which is what the Zionist more or less are stating happened...

A better story might be the Nazi/Zionist teamwork used during most of WW2 to get the Jews out of Europe and into to Palestine. But that would be hard to publish also. Eichmann would have had a lot to say about this situation but he was killed before he could sell his story. Too bad.
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Postby vincentferrer » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:00 am)

I am not saying there was a formal priest spy network. It is possible such a thing could exist, but I see no reason for it.

As others point out, each week in Poland you had tens of thousands of people making confessions to priests.

If mass gassings were taking place, these priests would be hearing about it in spades.

The bishops would be passing that type of general info on to the bishops and one can be certain the Pope would know all about the issue.

If these priests passed the info on to the bishops and nothing happened, then, you can be certain at least a small number of brave priests would make a public stand or declaration to stop the gassings.

Now, if tgassings were going on, such a priest would be shot or put in prison. That never took place.


Conclusion: the goof balls who write about Pope Pius XII being silent while 6,000,000 are alleged gassed, need to also indict about 15,000 Catholic priests, who also knew but kept silent.

You can see how the whole issue begins to open up more and more questions and doubts. I am sure I am not the first to have figured this out.

The hoaxsters know that to enter into any sort of debate brings down their entire facade of a story.
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