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American Jewish Yearbook population figures

Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 9:39 am)

Today I went through the Jewish World Population statistics from the American Jewish Yearbook (published by the American Jewish Institute in Philadelphia), the eight volumes for 1920-1, 1929-1930, 1935-6, 1938-9, 1946-7, 1951, 1955 and 1965. Each volume gives a world population estimate for the year in question as well as detailed tables with figures from recent estimates and censuses.

Let's look at some of the statistics contained in each of the volumes:

American Jewish Yearbook vol.22 (5681) 1920-1921

According to the heading of page 361, the statistics have been "Prepared by The Bureau of Jewish Social Research".

On the same page, Table I shows the Jewish world population by continents:

North America........ 3,379,668
South America.......... 116,557
Europe................. 11,435,968
Asia......................... 433,332
Africa....................... 359,722
Australia.................... 19,415

Total.................. 15,744,662

On page 362-3, we see that in the statistics for Europe, only the European part of "Russia" (including Caucasus) is counted. The rest is included in Asia.

On p.367 we read note 20:

RUSSIA IN ASIA. - The distribution of the Jewish population in Asiatic Russia in 1913 was:

Siberia.............. 58,730
Central Asia....... 17,532

Total.................. 76,262

Since 1913 the Jewish population in these regions was considerably increased by immigration from the former "Pale of Settlement."



American Jewish Yearbook vol.31 1929-1930

On page 312, Table IX gives us the distribution of the Jews of the world by continents:

Europe............................... 9,570,118
North and South America..... 4,617,705
Africa................................... 522,182
Asia..................................... 589,938
Australasia............................. 24,572

Total................................ 15,324,515


The continental division is the same as in volume 22 (1920-1). This is also the case in all following volumes it seems.

Table XII on p.314 gives a total of 244,272 Jews for Asia Minor, Central and Northern Asia, of these 18,135 are Afghanistani, 40,000 Persian and 70,000 Turkish Jews, leaving 116,137 Jews for Siberia and the various Soviet republics in Asia.

As one can see on the notes starting on p.317, the statistics and estimates are often not very reliable, since in the case of many states (Czecho-Slovakia, Australia, Danzig, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway) they are based on religion. As an example the note for Czecho-Slovakia:

The figure for the Jewish population is on the basis of religion and it is exclusive of the possible number of Jews among the 724,507 enumerated in 1921 as of "no religion," 522,333 not included in the religious census, and 238,808 aliens.
(p.317)

In 1921, a significant portion of the people who proclaimed themselves to be of no religion were marxists of some brand. Considering the heavy involvement in marxist movements by the Jewish populations in especially central and eastern Europe, there number of Jews in Czecho-Slovakia was probably closer to 500,000 than the 354,342 Jews of the 1921 census.

American Jewish Yearbook vol.37 1935-1936

p.358:
The total number of Jews in the world is here estimated at 5,250,000. Of that number, 7,620,000 reside in a group of adjacent countries located in the center of the continent of Europe, which region may be designated as the "Jewish" Central Europe.


On the following page we are given a more exact figure for the world population:

Of the total number of 15,188,636 Jews in the world, 9,371,741 reside in Europe (...)


Now let's recapitulate.

1920-1921:

Jewish World Population.............. 15,744,662
Jewish Population of Europe......... 11,435,968

1929-1930:

Jewish World Population............... 15,324,515
Jewish Population of Europe.......... 9,570,118

1935-1936:

Jewish World Population............... 15,188,636
Jewish Population of Europe........... 9,371,741

Thus according to the AJYB statistics, during 1920-1936 the Jewish world population decreased with 556,026 individuals (a bit curious, could this be due to epidemics or to more Jews proclaiming themselves atheists in censuses?); and the European Jewish population decreased, presumably due to emigration, with no less than 2,064,227 individuals.

To be continued...
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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 10:08 am)

American Jewish Yearbook vol.40 (5669) 1938-1939

p.545:

Of the total number of 15,290,983 Jews in the world, 9,137,051 reside in Europe, (...)


Thus comparing the statistic of the 1938-9 yearbook with the 1935-1936 yearbook, we find an 102,347 individual increase of the Jewish world population and a decrease of European Jewry by 234,960 individuals.

Table VIII on p.546 gives populations per European countries and geographical divions. Some statistics:

Poland................. 3,028,837 (1932 census)
Latvia.................. 93,479 (1935 census on base of nationality)
Lithuania.............. 155,125 (1923 census)
Czechoslovakia......... 356,830 (1930 census)
White Russia........ 407,059 (1926 census)
Ukraine (excl. Crimea).. 1,574,428 (1926 census)
Russia (excl. Nortwest and Crimea)... 170,693 (1926 census)
Northwest Russia.. 326,363 (=Governments of Leningrad, Pskow, Smolensk, Briansk and Moscow; census either 1926 or 1936, the digit between the "9" and and the "6" is missing in the text, probably it's the former)
Crimea.....................45,926 (1926 census)

United States (Continental)............ 4,228,029 (1927 est.)
Canada.......................................... 155,614 (1931 census)

South and Central America............... 325,039

During World War II, the American Jewish Yearbook did not provide any information on the Jewish world population, or on the Jewish population of Europe.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 11:49 am)

American Jewish Yearbook vol.48 1946-1947

p.599:

Estimates of the world Jewish population have been assembled by the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time(1). The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third, from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946, as a result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews.
In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jewish pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000. The major part of the present world Jewish population - about 5,176,000 - lives in the United States and Canada. The two continents have thus reversed their order of 1939, when Europe was the greatest center of Jewish population. Asia now has a Jewish population of about 892,000, compared with a pre-war estimate of 771,000. The Jewish populations in Africa and Latin America have increased slightly since 1939. The estimated number of Jews now in Africa is 640,000; in 1939 the Jewish population was 610,000. South and Central America have an estimated Jewish population of 578,000, as compared with the 1939 total of 524,000. The total Jewish population in Australia has risen from 33,000 in 1939 to an estimated 35,000 in 1946.

(1) The effective date of the J.D.C. estimates used in this section is May 1946.


p.600:

The Jewish population remaining in Europe is in a constant state of flux; migrations westward and repatriations occur every day. The figures presented here are estimates based on reports received by the J.D.C. from European sources. From 1939 to the close of the war the Jewish population losses are estimated at 5,814,000; this figure may be lowered somewhat by an undetermined number of Jewish survivors in the Russian zone in Germany. There are at present approximately 3,642,000 Jews in all of Europe, as compared with 9,740,000 in 1939.


On page 603, we find a table (Table 1) showing the estimated world Jewish population in 1939 and 1946

For 1939 we are given:

United States and Canada........ 4,965,620
South and Central America......... 524,000
Europe.......................... 9,739,200
Asia.............................. 771,500
Australasia........................ 33,000
Africa............................ 609,800

Total.......................... 16,643,120

For 1946 we are given:

United States and Canada........ 5,176,500
South and Central America......... 578,000
Europe.......................... 3,642,100
Asia.............................. 892,500
Australasia........................ 35,000
Africa............................ 639,500

The pre-war figure for *all of* Europe given in the p.599 quote (9,740,000) - post-war *all of* Europe figure on same page (3,642,000) = European Jewish population loss of 6,098,000

The pre-war figure for world Jewry given in the p.599 quote (16,600,000) - post-war world Jewry figure on same page (11,000,000) = total Jewish population loss of 6,600,000

The same math for the figures given in Table 1 gives

1939 figure for (all of) Europe (9,739,200) - 1946 figure for (all of) Europe (3,642,000) = Jewish population loss in Europe of 6,097,200

1939 world population (16,643,120) - 1946 world population (11,123,800) = world population loss of 5,519,320

However, if we look back at AJYB vol.40 for 1938-1939, it estimated the Jewish world population as 15,290,983 and the Jewish population of Europe as 9,137,000

1939 world population as given in vol.48 1946-7 (16,643,120) - estimated world population as given in vol.40 1938-9 (15,290,983) = difference of 1,352,137

1939 European Jewish population as given in vol.48 1946-7 (9,739,200) - estimated European Jewish population as given in vol.40 1938-9 (9,137,051) = difference of 602,149


1939 world population as claimed by vol.40 (15,290,983) - 1946 world population (11,123,800) = population loss of 4,167,183

1939 European Jewish population as claimed by vol.40 (9,137,051) - 1946 European Jewish (3,642,100) = population loss of 5 494 951

Note that the above figures for Europe is for the entire continent, not just former areas controlled by Hitler. So AJYB claims that the *total* European Jewish population decreased by either 5,494,951 or 4,167,183 during the period 1939-1946. Besides, they contradictorily assert (vol 48 p.600) that the very same loss amounted to 5,814,000, but how exactly this figure was reached is not clarified.

On vol.48 p.606 Table 5 shows the "Estimated Jewish Population of Europe" by countries. The table shows both 1939 and 1946 for most of the European nations. It has the same total population figures as on p.599 (9,739,200 pre-war, 3,642,000 post-war)

Let's first look at the nations that were never occupied (wholly or partially )or otherwise controlled (or under semi-control) by Germany:


England (app. including Scotland, Wales etc.) 340,000 (1939) 350,000 (1946)
Irish Free State 4,000(1939) 4,500 (1946)
Portugal 3,500 (1939) 4,000 (1946)
Spain 4,500 (1939) 3,500 (1946)
Sweden 7,500 (1939) 22,000 (1946)
Switzerland 25,000 (1939) 35,000 (1946)
Turkey 80,000 (1939) 80,000 (1946)

1939 population: 464,500
1946 population: 499,000
Difference: 34,500 increase

One should note that the figure for Turkey includes asiatic Turkey, as stated in note 10 on page 606. When the detailed estimate of European Jews was given in volume 40 for 1938-9, the Jewish population Turkey was divided at the Bospor into a european Turkey and asiatic Turkey Jewish population, the later included in Table IX on vol.40 p.548. Vol 40 estimated 55,592 Jews in european Turkey.

To be continued.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 2:26 pm)

There's a misquote above where it says

"here estimated at 5,250,000"

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 4:15 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:There's a misquote above where it says

"here estimated at 5,250,000"


Yes, you're right, it should be 15,250,000. :oops:

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:55 pm)

How many Jews were there in post-war USSR?

Let me start with quoting the article on the Jews of the Soviet Union from AJY vol.49 (1947-1948) by George J. Gliksman:

Statistics concerning the Russian Jews were meager and not always reliable even before the war, but material occasionally published could still serve as the basis of a critical analysis. In 1939, however, all official publication of such data was discontinued and the only subsequent work in the field of Jewish statistics (L. Singer: A Rejuvenated People, Moscow, 1941) does not go beyond 1939.
Pieced together from a wide variety of unofficial Soviet data and other sources, available information is necessarily fragmentary and often hypothetical. There is no adequate basis for presenting a complete picture of present-day Soviet Jewry or assessing the far-reaching changes caused by the war and the period of post-war reconstruction.
(p.393)

So in other words, the author says that the number of Jews living in the early post-war USSR is unknown and that figures presented are mostly the results of speculation.

Gliksman's article continues with population data:

Accurate population statistics for the Soviet Union are scarce; this is even truer for Soviet Jewry than for other groups. The last published official statistics, based upon the 1939 census, gave the number of people who declared themselves of Jewish nationality as 3,020,000. (There is no religious brewakdown of population statistics in the USSR.) How many citizens of Jewish extraction declared their nationality as other than Jewish, it is impossible to establish.
(p.393)

Thus, the actual number of Jews in 1939 USSR is unknown, we only know that it was higher than 3,020,000.

In 1939-40 the eastern part of Poland, Bessarabia and Bukovina, and the Baltic states were incorporated into the USSR. About two million Jews were concentrated in these territories. The total number of Jews within the boundaries of the Soviet Union before the outbreak of the Russo-German war in June 1941 can therefore be taken as about 5,500,000, including about 350,000 war refugee Polish Jews. Corliss Lamont (The Peoples of the Soviet Union, Harcourt, Brace & Co., New York, 1946) estimates the number of Soviet Jews at this period as 5,300,000, exclusive of non-Soviet refugees.
(p.394)

Gliksman now goes into the problem of Jewish population changes during the war:

But these figures by themselves contribute little to an estimate of the present Jewish population of the Soviet Union. For this we would have to know not only the number who lost their lives as a result Nazi atrocities, but the birth rate of Soviet Jews, the number of Jewish soldiers who fell during the war, mortality among those deported and evacuated to Central Asia and Siberia, and the scope of postwar repatriation to Poland and Rumania. Only on the last of these points, however, do we have accurate information. Of about 350,000 Jews from Eastern and Central Poland who sought refugee in the Soviet zone in 139-40, the vast majority were deported by the Soviet authorities to Siberia, Central Asia, etc. (a substantial number to concentration camps). it must be emphasized that these people went as compulsory exiles, not as refugees. A few thousand left the USSR with the Polish army evacuated to iran in 1942, approximately 150,000 returned to Poland in 1946, and only a few thousand elected to stay in the USSR. The remainder - almost 200,000 - probably died there.


Next we are in for the most interesting thing - the wildly diverging estimates of the number of USSR Jews killed by the Nazis:

The most conspicious discrepancies concern the estimated number of victims of the German mass-murderers. These estimates range between 1,500,000 (Corliss Lamont, op.cit.) and 3,000,000 (Jacob Lestschinsky). Only an insignificant percentage of Jews (perhaps only 1 percent) who remained in the territories overrun by the Germans managed to escape alive. The number of Jews evacuated from these territories prior to the German occupation is, therefore, exceedingly important, but this cannot be accurately determined. It seems certain that the optimistic estimates published outisde the Soviet Union both during the war and at its close were exaggerated. The German occupation of the Baltic states, the Ukraine, and White Russia - all areas with large, concentrated Jewish settlements - proceeded very quickly and the Soviet transportation system was unable to carry out the evacuation speedily enough, nor on a sufficiently large scale. Many evacuation transports were overtaken by the swift German offensive.
(p.394-5)

So the number of USSR Jews killed diverges by 1,500,000 (!) and the number of Jews evacuated prior to Operation Barbarossa is not known. How many Jews that escaped from occupied territories is apparently not known either, despite Gliksman claiming, without stating his sources, that "perhaps only 1 percent" managed to do this.

To be continued...

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:12 am)

How many Jews were there in post-war USSR? (continued)

Kulitscher, in his study The Displacement of Population in Europe (International Labor office, Montreal 1943), estimates that 1,100,000 Jews from the pre-1939 territory of the Soviet Union, 30,000 from the Baltic States and 500,000 from Western Bielorussia and Western Ukraine, were evacuated into unoccupied Soviet territories. In these latter figure he includes those forcibly deported in 1939-1940. Others consider these figures excessive.
(p.395)

One would like to know who exactly those "others" are and what evidence they had that spoke against the figures in Kulitscher (I will try to get the book btw).

These discrepancies naturally lead to different estimates as to the number of Jews now living in Russia. Even Dr. Frank Lorimer of Princeton, an outstanding authority, in his work, The Population of the Soviet Union: History and Prospects (Geneva, League of Nations, 1946), does not venture such an estimate.
Unofficial Soviet publications mention 2,500,000 as the present Jewish population of the USSR. This figure, which is also Kulitscher's estimate, (Rescue, July-August 1946), appears to be exaggerated.
Estimates of the number of Jews in various parts of the Soviet Union have been made by such sources as the Ambijan Bulletin, as well as by B.Z. Goldberg of the New York Day, who visited the USSR in 1946. These estimates do not seem. however, to be very reliable. Often a single source offers contradictory data in regard to the same locality, and these discrepancies can be only partly due to variation in the periods to which reference is made and the instability of the present Jewish settlements in Russia. Where discrepancies exist, we will cite only the higher figure.
Where before the war there were about 1,000,000 Jews in the Russian Federated Soviet Republic, there are now reported to be about 250,000 in Moscow. No data are available for other cities of Central Russia.
(p.395)

Indeed the RFSR was somewhat larger than the city of Moscow.

Gliksman then continues with the statistics for Ukraine:

The total number of Jews in the Ukraine is now said to be about 1,000,000. Before the war there were 1,500,000, exclusive of the territories annexed from Poland and Rumania in 1939-40. The principal Ukrainian cities with large Jewish settlements are kiev with 120,000 Jews; Odessa - 120,000; Kharkov - 85,000; Dniepropetrovsk (Ekaterinoslav) - 60,000; Vinnitsa - 18,000.
Only fragmentary information exists as to the percentage of the total population which Jews constitute in each particular locality. Thus the form approximately one-fourth of the total population of Odessa (40 per cent before the war); 33 percent in Proskurov, etc. Numerous Ukrainian towns with sizeable Jewish communities before the war no longer contain a single Jew.
Cernauti (Czernowitz), formerly a Rumanian city, is said to have a Jewish population of about 60,000, as large as before the war. The city now constitutes the major Jewish point of concentration in Western Ukraine, into which it has been incorporated.
The only information about former Polish territories concerns Lvov (Lemberg), with a Jewish population of 5,000, and Vilna, where there are said to be 15,000 Jews (other sources give the number of Vilna Jews as 5,000).
(p.396)

The last figures given sure demonstrates the unreliablity of the estimates of Jews on USSR territory.

We could find no statistics concerning the total number of Jews in White Russia. Before the war 375,000 Jews lived in the eastern part of White Russia alone. Now approximately 30,000 are said to be in Bobruisk, 20,000 in Minsk, 15,000 in Vitebsk. There is no information for other important centers.
(p.396)

In his work The Second Babylonian Captivity, revisionist Steffen Werner presents the hypothesis that the Jews killed in the "death camps" were deported east, mainly to parts of White Russia (Belarus).

Next the article continues with the Jews of Central Asia, Caucasia, and the Baltic States:

Statistics were likewise unobtainable for the present Jewish population in Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia, with a total pre-war Jewish population of 85,000. In the five Asiatic republics - the Uzbek, Khazak, Tadzhik, Turkmen, and Kirghiz Socialist Soviet Republics - the pre-war Jewish population exceeded 80,000. Soviet sources vary widely in their estimates of the present number of Jews in these areas. In wartime these regions gave refuge to several hundred thousand Jews from the western parts of the Soviet Union. The majority of the evacuees returned to former dwelling places, but some will undoubtedly remain in Asia. Thus in Aktyubinsk (Kazakhstan) 2,000 Ukrainian Jews are said to have settled permanently.
The only data available on the former Baltic States concern Riga, with a reported Jewish population of approximately 20,000.
(p.396-7)

Gliksman now presents the figures of the aforementioned Lestchinsky:

These unofficial estimates are severly criticized by the Jewish economist Jacob Letschinsky. According to his analysis, the total number of Jews within present Soviet boundaries does not exceed 1,500,000 (The New leader, March 8, 1947, New York). He claims to have calculated, on the basis of unofficial Soviet information, that the maximum number of Jews living the 60 major Jewish settlements of European Russia is 800,000. To the smaller settlements of the European part of the USSR, Lestchinsky ascribes a figure of less than 100,000 Jews; to the Asiatic parts, 500-600,000 Jews. Thus he arrives at his total of 1,500,000 Jews in the Soviet Union.
This figure, when compared to the 5,500,000 Jews on Soviet soil before the outbreak of the war in 1941, shows a difference of 4,000,000. To explain these missing 4,000,000 Jews, Lestchinsky estimates that about 200,000 Jewish Red Army men lost their lives in the fighting, and about 500,000 Jews died in Siberia and Central Asia (principally from among the deported and evacuated). It would thus follow that the Germans massacred more than 3,000,000 Soviet Jews. Lestchinsky's figures are also, obviously, hypothetical.
The research Department of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee in New York estimates the present number of Soviet Jews as 1,800,000. This includes the Asiatic provinces, but is exclusive of the Baltic States (...) where there are reported to be 32,500 Jews. (The pre-war Jewish population in these countries was 255,000.)
The estimates of the JDC appear likely to be closest to the facts; however, until the publication of official, reliable statistics, the actual present Jewish population of the USSR cannot be definitely ascertained.
(p.397)

As has been mentioned above, this volume of AYB (1947-1948) chose as its own estimate 2,000,000 million USSR Jews (p.740).

In the next volume of AYB (vol.50 1948-1949) the USSR estimate was the same. In this volume, Gliksman states (p.400):

The task of presenting a clear and more or less complete picture of present-day Soviet Jewry was as difficult for the year 1947-48 as it was for the previous years.
No official data of any kind concerning the Jewish population in the USSR were published. No new population statistics were made available, and while many publications in the United States continued to quote the figure of three million Jews in the USSR, the estimate likely to be closest to the facts would be less than two million.
(p.400)

In this volume, Gliksman spends less than one and a half page on the problem of the Soviet Jewish population. However he has some interesting things to say on the isolation of Soviet Jewry:

One could carefully read the Soviet press for long months and find no mention of Jewish problems (with the exception of the Palestine problem in the last months).
This was not accidental. There was no longer any doubt that Soviet Jewry did not form a community of its own, in the sense in which a community is understood in other countries: that is, an entity possessing distinct forms, specific organizations, committees, institutions etc. The only Jewish organization was the Anti-Fascist Committee in Moscow, created after the German attack on Russia in 1941. This Committee, which was in fact a government agency, published Aynigkeit (...) the only Yiddish periodical in the USSR, which appeared in Moscow three times a week. (...) Like all other Soviet newspapers, the Aynigkeit printed the usual anti-American material, but there was almost no information about the fate of Jews abroad, especially in Western Europe and America, about their life and problems. The Jews in the Soviet Union were completely isolated from Jewish life outside the borders of the USSR.
(p.401)

In The Second Babylonian Captivity, Werner speculates that the Jews of USSR, and especially in Belarus, were purposely shielded from contact and communication with their fellow Jews, as well as from western Holocaust propaganda, including TV broadcasts made in Poland, in order that they would not realize that many among them supposedly had been killed in the gas chambers. Mostly pure speculation, but interesting nonetheless.

To be continued...

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:15 am)

How many Jews were there in post-war USSR? (continued)

Next we will look at an article, "The New Jew in the Soviet Union", which appeared in the 1947 November issue of Jewish Life, a magazine issued by the left-wing Jewish journal Morning Freiheit. It is written by Paul Novick, the editor of said journal, who spent 8 months traveling through during 1946 traveling through Europe. The article is not a research paper and may be suspected of political bias, but it is nonetheless interesting to read it as a contrast to the figures of Lestchinsky quoted in AYB.

The Soviet union is the only country in Europe where, in spite of all the efforts of Hitler to exterminate the Jewish people, millions of Jews have survived. (...)
It is amazing and distressing to realize that there are Jewish leaders who try to avoid mention of the fact that in the Soviet union millions of jews were saved. Some even are annoyed. Certain "staticians", who are forced to touch upon the number of Jews in the USSR, invariably reduce it by half a million to a million short of the real figure. The traveler in present-day Europe, who so often comes across the heartrending sight of remnants of Jewries in various lands, particularly in Poland, is exhilarated by the sight of big Jewish communities in Moscow, Leningrad and the Ukraine.
(p.6)

The article is continued in the december issue of the same magazine. I will quote some noteworthy portions of it below.

After World War II broke out, the foundations of the jewish people in the USSR were shattered. It is estimated that by June 1941, when Hitler attacked, there were five million Jews in the USSR, the increase resulting from the return of Western Ukraine and Belorussia as well as Bessarabia, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia to the Soviet Union in 1939-1940. With the exception of Moscow and Leningrad, where large masses of Jews reside, the overwhelming majority of Soviet Jews lived in the territories which were in the course of the war overrun by Hitler. Nearly two million of them perished in the area which fell to the nazis in the first impact of the attack, primarily due to the difficulties of a sudden evacuation. If there are now nonetheless over one million Jews in the Ukraine, hundreds of thousands in Belorussia, Bessarabia, tens of thousands in Lithuania, etc., it is the result of the superhuman effort on the part of the Soviet government, to evacuate the Jews from the territories to Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Bashkiria, the Kuibishev region, western Siberia, and other regions of safety.
It is worth remebering that almost all Jews now living in the USSR, over three million of them, were evacuated, including the Jews of Moscow and Leningrad, and were moved hundreds and even thousands of miles away from the battlefront.
(p.6)

The Ukraine and other areas temporarily occupied by Hitler, which practically had no Jews left at the time of liberation, again became the home of teeming Jewish communities (Kiev and Odessa, over 100,00 each; Kharkov, 90,000; Dniepropetrovsk 90,000, etc.).

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:27 am)

With the exception of Moscow and Leningrad, where large masses of Jews reside, the overwhelming majority of Soviet Jews lived in the territories which were in the course of the war overrun by Hitler. Nearly two million of them perished in the area which fell to the nazis in the first impact of the attack, primarily due to the difficulties of a sudden evacuation.

While the number '2,000,000' has no basis, what is most interesting is the acceptance that those that perished did so "primarily due to the difficulties of a sudden evacuation" by the Soviets.

This is all meshes nicely with other threads here on 'where did they go?'

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:52 am)

Not to detract from Laurentz Dahl's excellent research work on the Jewish Yearbook sources, here are even more sources which shatter the 'holocaust' claims:

Vast numbers of Polish Jews were moved to in interior of the communist USSR...typically they are said to have killed by the Germans, not true according to the Encyclopaedia Judaica:
"The Jews were deported by the Germans to the area under Soviet control on the other side of the San River".

Therefore by 1941 the majority of former Polish Jews were living in what became Soviet Ukraine. David Bergelson, wrote in the Moscow Yiddish paper Ainikeit December 5, 1942, that:

"Thanks to the evacuation, the majority (80%) of the Jews in the Ukraine, White Russia, Lithuania and Latvia before the arrival of the Germans were rescued."

In other words the majority of Polish Jews were evacuated to the Soviet interior in 1941. After the war many settled in the Soviet Union, many flooded into Displaced Persons camps in Germany. From there most went to Palestine (often forced to by Zionists), and many went to the US and other places where Jews are.

- Butz's book ('Hoax of the 20th Century') reproduces part of a communication sent by Monsignor Di Meglio, a staff member of the Papal Nuncio in Berlin, to the Vatican, dated December 1942. In part it reads:

Since many fled, before the arrival of the German troops, from the Polish territories occupied by the Russians and from territories properly Russian, one estimates that presently, in the Reich and the occupied territories, including the Protectorate of Bohemia-Moravia, there are more than four million Jews, ie. one fourth of the entire world Jewish population.

Butz remarks:
'It is clear that he had no information on the existence of an extermination program even remotely resembling the one that was then taking shape in Allied propaganda and was being related to the Vatican by various Allied diplomats and Jewish organisations.'

- a common tactic is for the holocaust Industry to refer to the alleged numbers of Jews in Europe as indicated in the alleged notes of the Wannsee Conference. These number are so off base that even prominient Jews have dismissed them. (according to Yehuda Bauer there were only 9 million Jews in ALL of Europe...A HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST by Yehuda Bauer. New York: Franklin Watts, 1982, 398pp, $15.95, ISBN 0-531-098621)
Wannsee indicates 11,000,000 Jews in Europe (ex.: 700,000 in France...which is patently absurd), therefore leading some to the conclusion that the minutes of that Wannsee meeting were tampered with.

- noted British journalist Douglas Reed estimated that the number of the victims of the so called 'holocaust' did not exceed 300,000 or 400,000 -- the range of natural growth of the Jewish population over a period of seven or eight years. He revealed that the number of Jews in the world after the war of 1939-1945 was the same as it had been before the war
http://abbc.com/revisionism/english/heikal.htm

Swiss Revisionist Jurgen Graf makes this comparison:

'Before the Algerian uprising against the French, there were ca. 1,000,000 Frenchmen in Algeria, when the dust settled there were mere thousands. Does that mean they were murdered?'

Statistical population data depends somewhat on ‘when’ before WW II. There is census data for the different areas available for 1933 and before. Of interest to Revisionists is the Jewish population at the beginning of the war in 1939, and finally how many Jews lived in German occupied areas in the beginning of the occupation in 1941.

There were huge emmigrations of Jewish people from European countries mainly to the Americas and Palestine between 1933 and 1941.
Further large population shifts occurred between 1939 and 1941 from Eastern European countries, especially from Eastern Poland, to the Soviet Union. Staticians talk about 2 Million Jews here.

Jewish population data before WW II can be found in:

‘Die europäischen Juden’ (The European Jews) (German) by Sanning
http://vho.org/D/DGG/Sanning28_1.html

and in ‘Der Korherr-Bericht’ (lange Fassung) (The Korherr-Report,long version).
http://www.ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korh ... lang.shtml

also see:
‘Jewish population losses in the German sphere of influence during the World War II’ by Jürgen Graf:
http://www.ety.com/tell/books/jgjewstats/jgstattoc.htm
....according to Sanning there were no more than 3.5 million Jews in the German sphere of influence at the time of its biggest territorial extension.

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:43 pm)

Laurentz Dahl wrote:American Jewish Yearbook vol.48 1946-1947
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Let's first look at the nations that were never occupied (wholly or partially )or otherwise controlled (or under semi-control) by Germany:


England (app. including Scotland, Wales etc.) 340,000 (1939) 350,000 (1946)
Irish Free State 4,000(1939) 4,500 (1946)
Portugal 3,500 (1939) 4,000 (1946)
Spain 4,500 (1939) 3,500 (1946)
Sweden 7,500 (1939) 22,000 (1946)
Switzerland 25,000 (1939) 35,000 (1946)
Turkey 80,000 (1939) 80,000 (1946)

1939 population: 464,500
1946 population: 499,000
Difference: 34,500 increase

One should note that the figure for Turkey includes asiatic Turkey, as stated in note 10 on page 606. When the detailed estimate of European Jews was given in volume 40 for 1938-9, the Jewish population Turkey was divided at the Bospor into a european Turkey and asiatic Turkey Jewish population, the later included in Table IX on vol.40 p.548. Vol 40 estimated 55,592 Jews in european Turkey.

To be continued.
There is also no acknowledgement on how (un)reliable these figures are. Who is counted ethnic Jews or only religious Jews? Are the factors for non-counting considered? To my knowledge Jews were not registered as such in the US after a certain date. Frankly I think the US would have had a far higher Jewish immigration during the fourties. Then there is migration to other countries outside Europe, since impoverished Europe wasn't a very pleasant place to stay in, in the years after war.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:43 pm)

To my knowledge Jews were not registered as such in the US after a certain date. Frankly I think the US would have had a far higher Jewish immigration during the fourties.

When masses of Jews entered the US after WWII they were never called Jews by US immigration offices, they were designated as a 'nationality', Polish, Hungarian, etc. Another nice way to hide the fictitious claim of '6,000,000'.

Jews were simply pouring out of the European woodwork, so there needed to be ways found to obscure their huge numbers.

Revisionists have this laughable 'holocaust' thing so wrapped up that it's no wonder judeo-supremacists insist on imprisonment of anyone who questions the absurd claims.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:33 pm)

Hannover wrote:
With the exception of Moscow and Leningrad, where large masses of Jews reside, the overwhelming majority of Soviet Jews lived in the territories which were in the course of the war overrun by Hitler. Nearly two million of them perished in the area which fell to the nazis in the first impact of the attack, primarily due to the difficulties of a sudden evacuation.

While the number '2,000,000' has no basis, what is most interesting is the acceptance that those that perished did so "primarily due to the difficulties of a sudden evacuation" by the Soviets.

This is all meshes nicely with other threads here on 'where did they go?'

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Yes, the statement that approx. 200 000 of just the deported Polish Jews may have died in Siberia/Central Asia suggest that even higher numbers of Jews may have perished as a result of Stalin having them evacuated (just the train ride - going on for weeks - must have cost many lives).

My guess is that there were 1.5 - 2 million "surplus" Jews in early post-war USSR, most of them Jews supposed to have been killed in the "extermination camps". Add 300 000 - 500 000 Jews dead in the USSR from deportations, 200 000 or more fallen Jewish-Russian soldiers, hundreds of thousands of liquidated Jewish partisans (perhaps as many as half a million or even more), hundreds of thousands Jews dead from diseases in ghettos (allegedly 100 000 died in the Warsaw ghetto from disease and starvation), 500 000 - 1 million Jews dead from diseases in the German camps, hundreds of thousands of Jews dead from normal war related courses, hundreds of thousands of Jews (perhaps up to a million) escaping Eastern Europe for America and other places before the war, drastically lowered nativity and a highered "normal" mortality, as well as indications that a lot more Jews survived in post-war Poland than previously believed, and you have the European Jewish WW2 population losses more or less accounted for.

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Postby bridgebuilder » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:02 am)

We read in this excellent, EXCELLENT discussion of Jewish propulation studies that "It would thus follow that the Germans massacred more than 3,000,000 Soviet Jews. " Mmmmm...

OK, we see how the reasoning goes: Soviet Jews are missing in their millions ergo Hitler murdered them. The one hypothesis that never sees the light of day is that if they are missing then STALIN murdered them. Soviet Jews were in the tender hands of a brutal dictator who is known to have killed tens of millions without mercy. Some of his execution sites have been excavated. A partially excavated site near Kiev alone is reported to contain in excess of 200,000 bodies. None of this has happened with any of the alleged German sites.

The Soviet Judge Stalin appointed to sit in judgment on German officers at Nuremberg was the Soviet investigator of the Katyn forest murders that the Soviets perpetrated themselves. The whole arrangement, like Katyn, was to set up Germans for Soviet murders. The Nuremberg trials were set up and run by mass murderers. United States presidential advisors to Roosevelt, as the Venona decrypts showed, were working for Stalin. British intelligence was run by Stalin.

No one sees the possibility of Stalin's hand behind it all because no one appreciates the genius of Stalin's psychopathy. THIS is the hypothesis that needs to be investigated, but it cannot be investigated by law in most of Europe and probably soon will be impossible to investigate even from within the United States. (Imminent Holocaust denial laws and the need to suppress all those hate-filled Holocaust-deniers etc.) We should first ask: "What is the ratio of Polish officers killed by Hitler to those killed by Stalin?" The answer here is demonstrably very close to zero. We should then ask the same of Jews. Again, I believe, the answer is also very close to zero. German murders of Jews might run to a few hundred, just as U.S. murders of Vietnamese at My Lai also run to a few hundred. (I am distinguishing between outright murder and camp deaths from typhus, food supply disruption and execution of non-uniformed partisans as allowed under the then Geneva convention.) And that is IT! Soviet murders of Jews? Well even the Jewish sources quoted allow for hundreds of thousands dead in the Siberian resettlements. Ya places ya bets and ya takes ya money, gentlemen! Hitler or Stalin? I know where to place my money.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:51 am)

We read in this excellent, EXCELLENT discussion of Jewish propulation studies that "It would thus follow that the Germans massacred more than 3,000,000 Soviet Jews. " Mmmmm...

No, it doesn't follow. That is a quote which is shown to be nonsense in this thread, at this forum. There is no proof that the Germans killed 3,000,000 Jews.
I suggest you return to your earlier thread where you tried to make your Stalin case before:
'Jewish deaths under Stalin'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2616

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