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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:02 am)

My following post was deleted on another forum:

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nickterry wrote:> it still boils down to the code thing. again we can apply Ockham's razor to this.

Yes, we can, it slits denial's throat every time.

Explain!

This fellow "nickterry" obviously does not understand Occam's Principle, he just throws these terms around, probably in order to impress people with his "knowledge".

So when I asked to explain how Occam's Principle "slits denial's throat every time" he found it more convenient to simply erase my post rather than to answer.
He is also the moderator of that forum, and tells everybody who wants to know or not that he studied the Jewish Holocaust.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:25 am)

Sailor said:
This fellow "nickterry" obviously does not understand Occam's Principle, he just throws these terms around, probably in order to impress people with his "knowledge".

So when I asked to explain how Occam's Principle "slits denial's throat every time" he found it more convenient to simply erase my post rather than to answer.
He is also the moderator of that forum, and tells everybody who wants to know or not that he studied the Jewish Holocaust.

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This Nick Terry is registered here, so he should be accorded appropriate consideration in lieu of stated guidelines, however for a correct use of Occam's Razor, where the standard, absurd storyline get's it's throat slit wide open, I suggest:

'Occam's Razor / 'Code Words' when no evidence exists'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=347
excerpts:
Talk about covenient, the 'holocau$t' Industry has developed the tactic of claiming that the Germans used code words for their extermination program....and only certain people have the magic decoder ring. This is merely a cover-up for the lack of evidence from real verifiable sources.

The decoder ring is the theological opposite of the scientific razor. It allows one to add a layer of complexity so that evidence can be manipulated to fit the model. No longer does a document have to mean what it says.

A must read, check it out.
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=347

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Postby PotPie » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:45 am)

Nice to hear Nick Terry is aboard here finally. We'll see how long he can behave himself before being bounced. Thankfully, he's not nearly as foul as some of his counterparts on HC Blog. Do expect sarcasm, mockery and occasional game-playing, however.

When he's finally posting here, let's ask who deleted that post of yours?

What I always find odd about the 'code word' thing is the large number of documents which they contain are direct admissions, in other words non-coded texts, about butchery of Jews. It was secret yet not. I never did get that.

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Postby nickterry » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:34 am)

The light stuff first...

Hannover,

the spelling Ockham's Razor is more common in Britain than America, and I was in fact replying to someone from Britain. We spell lots of things 'funny'. :D

And now the serious stuff.

Sailor,

I am very sorry but this was not me, nor is there any record of it in the admin log. Three topics were deleted from the links section of the forum by the forum owner at 5.50 to 5.53am this morning GMT, when I was fast asleep. Nothing has been touched in the relevant forum section at all in the past week.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:31 am)

nickterry wrote:Hannover,

the spelling Ockham's Razor is more common in Britain than America, and I was in fact replying to someone from Britain. We spell lots of things 'funny'.

It has nothing to do with the variations in spelling, it has everything to do with the content of:
'Occam's Razor / 'Code Words' when no evidence exists'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=347

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:05 pm)

I did not make this up.

Actually I consider nickterry as one of the better representatives of the Holocaust believer crowed, together with the "black man" from Finland (Eugene Holman, usenet alt.revisionism).

I don't remember an abusive post from either one.

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Postby NovyMir » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:09 am)

I have encountered the "Occam's Razor" argument occasionally, it's more or less a red herring in this context. Occam's Razor is not a determinant of truth, it is simply a logical attempt at economizing/minimizing the time and effort involved with solving a problem. It's part of a process, Occam's Razor does not address complex problems aside from identifying the existence of one.
Also, Occam's Razor can often be turned around on it's dogmatic proponent during an argument, thereby exposing disingenuousness and duplicity.

Adherrents to the universal absolute infallibility of Occam's Razor are a conspirator and con-artist's dream come true. The same can be said of the Pragmatic Theory of Truth.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:07 am)

NovyMir wrote:I have encountered the "Occam's Razor" argument occasionally, it's more or less a red herring in this context.

Perhaps Novy Mir should post his specific criticisms at the thread mentioned:

'Occam's Razor / 'Code Words' when no evidence exists'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=347

Novy Mir would have a chance to tell us exactly why he disagrees with John Weir, and why Novy Mir accepts the 'code words' canard.

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Postby NovyMir » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:06 pm)

You are a jumper-of-conclusions Hannover. I do not accept the "code-words cannard". And I am not familiar with the other thread you mentioned or John Weir.
My comment only concerned Occam's Razor and/or truthseeking. I am comfortably convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the official history of the "Holocaust" is BUNK.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:56 pm)

NovyMir wrote:You are a jumper-of-conclusions Hannover. I do not accept the "code-words cannard". And I am not familiar with the other thread you mentioned or John Weir.
My comment only concerned Occam's Razor and/or truthseeking. I am comfortably convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the official history of the "Holocaust" is BUNK.

Apologies NM, I thought it was a back door shot.
I do recommend reading Weir's piece.

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Postby NovyMir » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:42 am)

Hannover wrote:Apologies NM, I thought it was a back door shot.
I do recommend reading Weir's piece.

Thanks, Hannover



No problem, I know one needs to be on the lookout for disinfo-artists and agent-provocateurs. I'll take a look at that piece later.

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Postby IlluSionS667 » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:45 am)

Sailor wrote:Actually I consider nickterry as one of the better representatives of the Holocaust believer crowed, together with the "black man" from Finland (Eugene Holman, usenet alt.revisionism).


That's true. He's pretty much the only worthy discussion partner I've had on the topic.

Nevertheless, he's associated with Mathis, Romanov and Muehlenberg and often uses the same tactics as the rest of the bunch whenever he doesn't have a clear-cut answer : distortion, lies and other forms of manipulation.

Also remarkable about him is his avoidance of the gas chamber issue. Whenever you drive him in the corner in relation to the gas chamber issue, he tries to get away with it be saying this is not his expertise (his expertise is the supposed Eastern-European mass shootings). Since most of his discussion partners are but amateur historians themselves, it shouldn't be necessary to point out how absurd that remark is.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:29 am)

IlluSionS667 wrote:
Sailor wrote:Actually I consider nickterry as one of the better representatives of the Holocaust believer crowed, together with the "black man" from Finland (Eugene Holman, usenet alt.revisionism).


That's true. He's pretty much the only worthy discussion partner I've had on the topic.

Nevertheless, he's associated with Mathis, Romanov and Muehlenberg and often uses the same tactics as the rest of the bunch whenever he doesn't have a clear-cut answer : distortion, lies and other forms of manipulation.

Also remarkable about him is his avoidance of the gas chamber issue. Whenever you drive him in the corner in relation to the gas chamber issue, he tries to get away with it be saying this is not his expertise (his expertise is the supposed Eastern-European mass shootings). Since most of his discussion partners are but amateur historians themselves, it shouldn't be necessary to point out how absurd that remark is.

Nick Terry is registered here and this is his big chance to refute Revisionists on the 'gas chambers' story and the '2,000,000 Jews-shot-into-pits' tales, but apparently there is a lack of confidence on his part. There are many, many threads on each of those topics here.

As for Mathis, Romanov and Muehlenberg; well, they have all posted here repeatedly and the results were not beneficial to their desperate cause.

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Postby IlluSionS667 » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:51 pm)

Hannover wrote:Nick Terry is registered here and this is his big chance to refute Revisionists on the 'gas chambers' story and the '2,000,000 Jews-shot-into-pits' tales, but apparently there is a lack of confidence on his part. There are many, many threads on each of those topics here.

As for Mathis, Romanov and Muehlenberg; well, they have all posted here repeatedly and the results were not beneficial to their desperate cause.


I have no doubt about that. Nevertheless, I still enjoy discussing with Nick Terry on hostile territory (forums where Holocaust revisionists are the minority). Not only does he make mistakes more easily due to his arrogance, it is also a good way to advertise Holocaust revisionism for those who aren't really familiar with it. Completely destroying ever single argument of a PHD in history definitely should make some "believers" doubt what they always learned in school.

Unlike Mathis and Romanov, Terry doesn't resolve to ad hominem attacks all the time. Surely, a misplaced sarcastic remark is not uncommon, but you'll rarely find him losing control. Although his irrational hatred for German national-socialism is obvious from every post he makes, he manages to remain civil.
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Postby PotPie » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:08 pm)

So where has Mr. Terry gone? On the HC Blog, he went on for several days loudly demanding entry, to apparently discuss something very important??


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