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Soviet Offensive War plans against the West from Sept, 1940

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:27 pm)

The text which follows this introductory paragraph was sent to me in response to my youTube video by someone I only know as "anonymous. " I asked him for permission to post the material but received no reply. I post it here because it may be of great importance to CODOH readers. If the contents prove to be valid, it will be enormously important to everything we thought we knew about WW2.

Planned Soviet Offensive

In September 1940 commanders of all Soviet Military Districts, commanders of all Armies and Heads of their Staffs, selected Corps’ and divisions commanders received a message that in December 1940 that a Soviet High Command Conference would take place in Moscow. On December 23rd 1940 the Conference of the RKKA High Command was opened in Moscow. It lasted for nine days without days-off and ended in the evening of December 31, 1940. The conference was attended by the leadership of the Defense Folks Commissariat (Defense Ministry), General Staff, commanders & Head of Staff of all Military districts and armies, generals-inspectors of all type of forces, managers of all Military Academies, selected corps’ and division commanders. In total two hundred seventy six marshals, generals and admirals. As was expected the conference was attended by Stalin and all political leadership of the Soviet Union. Conference was held in the strictly secret conditions. Generals were arriving in Moscow in the closed railroad cars and war planes. They were secretly picked up and delivered through the back door to the Hotel Moskva. Generals who arrived to Moscow from interior locations were not allowed to leave the hotel. In the early morning, generals were secretly transported in closed buses to the General Staff building and in the evening were transported back to the hotel. It goes without saying that Hotel was closed for other guests and was controlled by NKVD. By the time of fall of the Soviet Union all materials of this conference were considered as a top secret and were never published. Possible German invasion against the Soviet Union was not even discussed there. The Soviet assault was on the agenda. That’s why all materials about this conference remained confidential until the fall of the Soviet Union.

This conference was attended not only but Stalin but by all members of the Soviet Leadership (Politburo). The conference participants were supposed to hear and discuss some key note reports. The key report: “The character of the modern offensive operation” was done by the Kiev Special Military District, Army General Georgy Zhukov. On the conference Zhukov didn’t say a single word about repelling of possible German aggression but talked about the necessity to complete the goals of the World Revolution and Europe liberation. From the speech of General Zhukov: “… The victory in a war will be gained by the party, which will be more efficient in the management and creation of surprise conditions in using forces and resources. Element of surprise is one of the critical success factors in a modern offensive operation. We have to attach a special significance to an element of surprise. All methods of camouflage (masking) and enemy deception should be widely implemented into the Red Army. Camouflage (masking) and enemy deception must be the dominant theme of troops and staff commander’s education & training.«“On the Eve of the war: Materials of the High RKKA Command Conference”, December 23-31, 1940, Moscow, Terra, 1993, P. 151).

In his memoirs Zhukov mentioned the topic of his report on the conference but for some reasons didn’t publish details. Here they are: “…in total in an area of 30 kilometers to 30 kilometers we have to concentrate 200,000 men, 1500-2000 cannons and mortars, significant number of tanks, trucks and other resources”. That was said by Zhukov about concentration of one of the Soviet Armies before an assault. He added that number of such Armies will be great. In compliance with Zhukov report no one out of twenty six Soviet Armies in Europe was positioned in defense. Not a single corps or a single division was positioned for defense. All of them were gathered into shocking grouping on the very narrow front segments as per recommendations of Zhukov. Zhukov presented some other suggestions in his report: wounded should not be evacuated deep inside the rear areas, strategic supplies have to be placed near the borders: “… we have to set up bases and warehouses just in 15-20 kilometers from the front line…” Everything was done as per Zhukov. The German Army captured hundreds thousand tons of ammo, oil & gas, food and other supplies and the Red Army was left without shells, bullets, petrol and food. From the report of General Zhukov: “…Superiority in the air is critical to the success of an operation. Air superiority can be achieved by sudden powerful strikes of air forces against enemy aviation in the areas of their air fields… Fighter aircraft should be based on the air fields within 30-50 kilometers from the front line and bombardment aviation should be based within 75-100 kilometers from the front line.” But in this case our aviation can be vulnerable to a surprise enemy strike. Here is Zhukov's response: “… a special concern of the air force commanders should be the care of their own aircraft's protection. The best method to achieve that is a surprise sudden strike of our aviation against enemy’s air fields… An element of surprise is the key critical success factor.” Other methods to protect one's own aviation was not suggested by Zhukov. All these recommendations were accepted. But later, in spring 1941, Zhukov insisted on the placement of fighter aviation in the range of 20-30 kilometers from the front line and bombardment aviation in the range of 50-70 kilometers. «“On the Eve of the war: Materials of the High RKKA Command Conference”, December 23-31, 1940, Moscow, Terra, 1993.

Next speaker was Head of Staff of the Baltic Special Military District, General Klenov with a report about assault operations of the initial period of a war when enemy forces had not complete concentration and positioning. General Klenov urged for decisive measures to attack an enemy with massive forces of aviation and tanks before an enemy completed preparation for the war. “… Significant tank forces have to be used despite existence of strong engineered fortifications, and tank units will solve tasks of offensive to the opponent soil. “On the Eve of the war: Materials of the High RKKA Command Conference”, December 23-31, 1940, Moscow, Terra, 1993, P.153-154).

The third speaker was the Red Army Air Forces Commander, General Rychagov with the report – “The Air forces in an assault operation and in the fighting for superiority in the air”. From the report of General Rychagov: “… The best technique of eliminating of the opponents aviation on the ground is a strong simultaneous air strike against big number of air fields of the enemy’s aircrafts possible placement.” “On the Eve of the war: Materials of the High RKKA Command Conference”, December 23-31, 1940, Moscow, Terra, 1993, P.177).

Another speaker was General Pavlov, Commander of the Western Special Military District with a report on “Using mechanized formations in a modern offensive operation and engagement of the mechanized corps in the breakthrough”. From the report of General Pavlov: “…Poland collapsed in 17 days. Operations in Belgium and Netherlands were over in 15 days. Operation in France was over in 17 days. We have to take these figures into account as a benchmark when planning our offensive operations.” “[On the Eve of the war: Materials of the High RKKA Command Conference”, December 23-31, 1940, Moscow, Terra, 1993, P.255).

The report “Character of the modern defense operation” was delivered by Commander of Moscow Military District, General Tyulenev: “… today we don’t have a theory of defense… We have to use defense only on the rare cases and on the secondary directions… Defense is an integral part of our assault. Defense is a necessary combat method to be used on the selected secondary directions in order to save forces for offensive operations and preparation for a blow…“On the Eve of the war: Materials of the High RKKA Command Conference”, December 23-31, 1940, Moscow, Terra, 1993, P.255).

From the speech of Marshal Timoshenko, The Soviet Union Defense Minister (Narcom)”…we have to plan implementation of two, three or even four offensive operations simultaneously by forces of several Fronts (Group Armies) in order to strategically overwhelm an opponent’s defense ability as wide as possible.” “On the Eve of the war: Materials of the High RKKA Command Conference”, December 23-31, 1940, Moscow, Terra, 1993, P.350). On the main directions defense was not intended even theoretically. Only on the selected secondary directions. The conference of the RKKA High Command was over on the December 31st 1940 at 6.00 p.m. The greater part of generals, who took part in the conference, were secretly transported back to their units. Only the most important generals remained in Moscow to participate in the strategic military games. “…Prior to the RKKA High Command Conference completion on December 31, 1940 at 11.00 a.m. assignments to the strategic-operational military game were handed over to the group of 49 the highest rank commanders. The military game between “Western Grouping” and “Eastern Grouping” were going to take place. That game was the largest by its scope and importance for all years before the war. (The Military History Magazine, December 1986 issue, P.41). The “Eastern Grouping” in other words Soviet forces were headed by the Commander of the Western Special Military District, The Hero of the Soviet Union, Colonel-General Dmitry Pavlov. The “Western Grouping” in other words German forces were headed by the Commander of the Kiev Special Military District, the Hero of the Soviet Union, Army-General Georgy Zhukov. The “Western Grouping” of General Pavlov comprised from 28 generals including the Head of Staff, the head of Operational department, the commander of Air Forces, Armies and corps’ commanders, the Baltic Fleet commander. The “Eastern Grouping” of General Zhukov was comprised from 21 generals who imitated Germans. Three hours were given to study an assignment. Afterwards there was a final session of the conference and then at the New Year eve, additional three hours were given to the game participants to make up a directive to their troops in accordance to their position as per the game assignment. Afterwards, all confidential documents were taken out. One day and two nights were given to analyze the assignment. During that time participants were supposed to have no documents or records in hands. The game started in the morning of January 2, 1941 at the building of the RKKA General Staff. The scenario of the future war was played. The Game Director and Referee was the Soviet Union’ FolkS Defence Comissar (Defense Minister), Marshal Semen Timoshenko. The management of the game included twelve of the highest RKKA commanders including four Marshals of the Soviet Union. The military game observers: Joseph Stalin and all political leadership of the Soviet Union (Poliburo).

On the huge maps the colossal battle was played. The two most powerful armies in world clashed on the map. Several days & nights without rest and sleep, the Staffs of both parties were assessing the final outcome.
given Operation Barbarrossa caught the Soviet Army in its assembly areas. The field deployment of units for defense and attack are two very different postures. Units preparing to attack are most vulnerable immediately prior to 'jumping off'. They are concentrated and ready to advance. They are not dug in and organized for defense in depth. Supplies and artillery have been brought far forward to support an advance, not kept farther back to support a resilient defense. Logistics units are also packed up and ready to move forward to sustain the offensive.

The worst thing that can happen at that moment is for the enemy to launch an offensive while you are in that pre-attack posture. Even at the tactical corps, division and brigade levels 'spoiling attacks' are a well known gambit to rupture an imminent assault by the enemy.

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Postby Wahrheit » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:46 pm)

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:The text which follows this introductory paragraph was sent to me in response to my youTube video by someone I only know as "anonymous. " I asked him for permission to post the material but received no reply. I post it here because it may be of great importance to CODOH readers. If the contents prove to be valid, it will be enormously important to everything we thought we knew about WW2.


The information presented corresponds from what we know from other sources regarding Soviet territorial expansionist aims towards the West.

Zhukov's May 15, 1941 fiercely advocated for a pre-emptive attack upon Europe. Zhukov would not have dared offered such a advice had they not been in relation to what the boss-man was thinking.

Stalin expressed his aggressive invasion plans several times in public, as well. In a pre-war speech to the Politburo, Stalin spoke of using the war to weaken both Hitler the Allies, and thereby pave the path for Soviet conquer of Europe.

Not to mention his toastto a prestigious military academy of graduating officers in spring 1941. Following a praise for the peaceful Soviet policy in the heat of war during the past 2 years, Stalin responded:

"Permit me to make a correction. A peace policy keeps a nation at peace. A peace policy is a good thing. At one time or another we have followed a line based on defense. Up to now we have not re-equipped our army nor supplied it with modern weapons.

But now that our army is undergoing reconstruction and we have become strong, it is necessary to shift from defense to offense.

In providing the defense of our country, we must act in an offensist way. Our military policy must change from defense to waging offensive actions. "


The world historical community is being forced to recognize that good ol' Joe was the modern day Genghis Khan.

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Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:13 pm)

In response to my message about Soviet planning as early as September, 1940 for an aggressive war against the West, which also appears above, I received the following reply:

Actually it's taken from one of the last books of Viktor Suvorov about Zhukov "Shadow of the Victory" (Teny pobedy), chapter 6, "The Conference in December":

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov7/06.html

That book does not appear to be anywhere in English or German--only in Russian. There is apparently little interest in the West in anything that would disturb the anti-Hitler madness that still persists.

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Postby Erwachtist » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:16 pm)

The book "Icebreaker" covers this topic very well and includes many details, such as the plan to use road tires on tanks to take advantage of the autobahn system and then revert to tracks when needed.
Such a scenario is the only one that explains the tremendous success at the onset of Barbarossa at capturing Soviet soldiers and destroying so much war material, especially the thousands of planes on the ground.
It also helps explain the rapid advance to the gates of Moscow with little organized resistance by the Soviets. In fact, if Stalin had not been convinced that the Japanese were not going to attack Russia [because of secret code interecepts] and was not able to bring the eastern 50 divisions to defend Moscow, then Germany may have been able to win the war.
Ironically, it was this rapid advance into Russia that allowed the procedure of "moving the Jews eastward".
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Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:26 pm)

The important book by Suvarov is apparently available in German, but not English, from the German branch of Amazon at Amazon.de

Special thanks to a correspondent who shall remain unnamed.

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http://www.amazon.de/Marschall-Schukow- ... 378&sr=1-4

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:49 am)

In Léon Degrelle's account 'The Story of the Waffen SS' the author sets out by reading from Soviet documents, and this is what Marshal Voroshilov had said in one of them:
We now have the time to prepare ourselves to be the executioner of the capitalist world while it is agonizing. We must, however, be cautious. The Germans must not have any inkling that we are preparing to stab them in the back while they are busy fighting the French. Otherwise, they could change their general plan, and attack us.


Unfortunately I have been unable to locate the source of the document quoted. Perhaps somebody else is familiar with this account from Marshal Kliment Voroshilov.

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:22 pm)

Tell us about the 'holocaust' connection?

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Postby oberststuhlherr » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:45 am)

Personally, I see it as relevant in so much as it pertains to the context in which the events, or non-events, took place. If the larger history of WWII and the Nazi era is exposed as being largely fraudulent, that will certainly help cast doubt on the reliability of the specifics of the alleged Holocaust. I happen to believe the larger history is extremely flawed. Even though I am not an advocate of Hitler nor of the Nazi regime, I do believe the prevailing understanding and attitude toward them is rightly classed as "madness".

I believe the whole issue of The Holocaust(tm) and the role of Zionism in it and in the lager theater of WWII has enormous impact on what is going on today. A while back I posted a link to this article http://www.heretical.com/walendy/wjc-fdr.html, and explained that I believe it to be relevant to this issue of The Holocaust(tm) because it supports my hypothesis that the entire conflagration, to include the interment of the Jews, was orchestrated by Zionists.

It seems fully consistent with Herzl's doctrine that Zionist power brokers would set up a significant number of Jews to be victimized in order to achieve martyrdom status in the eyes of the world. I am not claiming the actual victims sought to be martyrs. I believe they were, for the most part, simply innocent victims.

I have the impression that many revisionists have not pursued Walendy's thesis expressed in the above article.

The model I have cobbled together goes something like this: German Zionists help Hitler come to power, and secretly collaborate with him to implement "Die Endlösung der Judenfrage" which was intended to be a territorial solution. The Zionists in England set up the dominos in Poland so that when Hitler makes his move, England jumps in. The Zionists in the US with the willing cooperation of FDR (Roosenvelt) set up Pearl Harbor to motivate the Americans to join the war. Even Churchill acknowledged that many of the Soviet Communists were Jewish, and there is reason to believe that Zionist banking interests in the West helped fund the Soviets. It is, therefore, quite conceivable that Soviet aggression against Germany was part of this orchestrated conflagration.
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Postby Mythos » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:20 am)

Stalin was planning to attack Hitler.

I've read Ernst Topitsch's book Stalin's War: http://www.amazon.com/Stalins-War-Radic ... 28&sr=1-11

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Postby Patrick Henry » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:47 am)

I believe that the question of whether Stalin was preparing to attack Hitler is not nearly as important as the question of how Hitler carried out his campaign against Russia in 1941. The same applies to Hitler`s decision to attack Poland in September, 1939 and the way that he did it.

A good case can be made to justify Hitler`s invasions in both 1939 and 1941. Certainly a much better case than can be cooked up to justify the UAssA invasions of Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, and Iraq.

Granting that Hitler was justified in the two attacks, the way in which he conducted the military campaigns was self-defeating and foolish. Hitler could have been seen as a liberator instead of an impatient and brutal occupier.

In my judgment, this issue is a distraction from exposing the filthy hoaxoco$t blood libel and "Volksverhetzung" against the Germans.

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:23 am)

Ok, I have to fess up, to Friedrich Paul Berg, it was I who originally posted the essay to you on youtube, I didn't receive your reply simply because I used an anonymous email program..

As far as I know it's all legit, The original material was provided to me via a Ukrainian I got to know very well through a work colleague also a Ukrainian, however you now no longer have to rely on third hand sourced material.

you can see it all online here : The Military Literature Project (in Russian)

Main site : http://militera.lib.ru/docs/index.html

Site specifically dealing with On the Eve of War, Materials of the RKKA High Command Conference December 23-31, 1940

http://militera.lib.ru/docs/da/sov-new-1940/index.html

btw as I said, an essay, merely the tip of the iceberg.

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Postby Mannstein » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:11 pm)

I posted the following a few days ago which appeared in an Israeli newspaper recently. Clearly, Uncle Joe was not the innocent party in starting WWII as claimed by Western court historians. What other events which happened during this period is the West lying about and why?



Friday, August 31, 2007



Was Stalin to blame?

By Tom Segev

MISCHA Shauli sat at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., completely beside himself. It had been years since the first time he heard about the existence of a document said to prove that Stalin, not Hitler, bore the main responsibility for World War II, and for years he had searched for it with all his skills as a professional detective.

Shauli's last position was as Commander Shauli, Representative of the Israel Police in Russia. Previous to that he had been head of the police fraud investigation unit for the Southern District.

A few years ago Shauli read "Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War," by Bogdan Rozen. Rozen, who now lives in England, wrote it under the pseudonym of Viktor Suvorov. Shauli, impressed by the book, translated it into Hebrew and saw to its publication here.

From out of the sea of details, a coherent thesis emerges: Stalin dragged Hitler into war to force Europe into chaos and facilitate a communist revolution on the continent. According to Shauli, there is evidence to back up this theory, including a speech by Stalin himself as well as a report obtained by the U.S. Consulate in Prague. The report has been mentioned here and there over the years, but it has never been published, because no one knows where it is today.
Shauli, 59, believed that the definitive evidence was out there, hiding somewhere. He believed, and did not give up, repeatedly setting out to find it, going as far as Washington. No one is happier than he is today: The document is in his possession, and now the history of World War II may have to be rewritten: It was Stalin's fault.

The document, from October 1939, consists of three pages in English that purportedly reflect a dialogue in Moscow between a delegation from Czechoslovakia and a senior Soviet Foreign Ministry official. The Czechs tried to find out why the U.S.S.R. had signed the nonaggression treaty with Nazi Germany, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 1939. A few days later the Germans invaded Poland, and World War II began.

The Soviet official, Alexandrov by name, explained to the Czech delegation that had the Soviet Union signed an agreement with the West, Hitler would not have dared to launch a war, and without that war there would have been no possibility of imposing communism in Europe. He also listed the benefits to the Soviet Union of the pact with Nazi Germany, and of the war.

The veracity of the document must be proved, and even if it turns out to be genuine, its significance is worthy of debate. Mischa Shauli is continuing his investigation. No, he said this week, he does not fear that shifting responsibility for the war from Hitler to Stalin "acquits" Hitler; he is responsible for other crimes.



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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:01 pm)

Anyway to reach this Mischa Shauli (I have a cousin named Mischa, just some inane trivia)

It may be worth it to point him to this resource, since he obviously has a place in the Jewish Media.
The Military Literature Project (in Russian)

Main site : http://militera.lib.ru/docs/index.html

Site specifically dealing with On the Eve of War, Materials of the RKKA High Command Conference December 23-31, 1940

http://militera.lib.ru/docs/da/sov-new-1940/index.html

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Postby diaz52 » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:47 am)

Yes, I have to say that I personally find the Soviet War Plans very Offensive... :lol: Sorry, couldn't resist that. :D

But on a more serious note, I do find this thread very interesting. While its not directly on topic for this forum, there is a relevance there. The relevance of this thread between the "very offensive war plans of the Soviets" with that of the Holocaust has to do with the propaganda war that was waged, on both sides, but with particular skill by the Allies, which amounted to a demonization of Hitler and his regime. This demonization of the Nazi regime is the backdrop, or the background scenery, to this horrific myth of mass murder known as the Holocaust. How different this would have been had crazy Uncle Joe attacked Germany first. How much more difficult would this propaganda effort have been for the Allies, and how much less successful? And as a consequence, how much less successful would this ridiculous fable known as the Holocaust have been? Its hard to say of course, may not have mattered much; folks seems to swallow a lot of B.S. from the government... But you never know, and we'll never know, but its an interesting thread to contemplate nonetheless.

Nowadays, this propaganda against Hitler continues to pay dividends, with every new trumped-up threat being called "another Hitler," or "the new Hitler." Saddam and Quadaffy, the Ayatollah, that new guy in Iran whose name I don’t remember how to spell, and others, have all had this thrown at them. The demonization of Hitler is the gift that keeps on giving for war-peddlers in the West, and for the money-making machine known as the Holocaust.
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Postby Mannstein » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:06 pm)

Yes indeed, every Western leader that marches his or her country off to war wants to look Churchillian. They remind us this is 1938 once more with another holocaust just around the corner.

These folks are stuck in a time warp.


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