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Postby Barre » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:02 am)

Im amazed there are people that still try and defend the Nazis and there crimes against humanity in every possible way, even saying its a big zionist evil plot etc, unbelievable.

The ghetto's in Poland where people suffered beyond our comprehension because of the Nazi policy, was that a lie too? If the Nazis where able to put thousands in ghettos and strip them of every right, how ridicoulusly small it was, if they can do that all without problems, why is it so hard to believe they gassed them too? It was just a small step and in the Nazis twisted mind a logic next step.

So the whole world is behind this plot and the Western Allies and the Soviets when they liberated the camps just made some stuff up when they liberated them just to..well please the Jews and give them more money? lol , it was the end of WW2 , europe was in ruins, did you really think the Allies could be bothered with such plots , lets face it, the Soviets where very anti Jew too, at least Stalin was, he wouldnt gain nothing by lying about what happened.

There are many interviews with former SS guards where the guards claim gassings and mass killings and total disrepsect for human rights did happen in Auschwitz etc, the list is long and sad, why would they claim that? Ah yes im sure they have been persuaded too by the evil Zionists that told them to make those claims? Even most of the SS men claimed they did he right thing as they where raised in an anti semitic climate in the 30's. They are old men now, once again those former guards gain nothing by upkeeping the 'lie' .

Im not here to insult you guys, just stumbled upon this site and was amazed with what i read here.


Cheers and Peace, especially to all Holocaust deniers :lol:

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:31 am)

Welcome, Barre.

Oh please. :roll:

We have individual threads on all the points you mention. Aside from your rather crude language and false, strawman arguments, I notice you fail to mention specifics to support your position. I submit there's a good reason for that.

You talk about believing in 'gassings' without giving us specific proof, even though we have thread after thread on that topic. Why don't you post to those threads?

In effect, you attempt to label Revisionists as wild conspiracy theorists while in your next breath you support a storyline that claims a bizarre world conspiracy to sit back and let Jews be 'gassed'. Revisionist can and have demonstrated how Communist Zionists have manufactured bogus 'holocaust' tales, but you don't have the nerve to post to any threads in which Revisionist shoot down story after story. What's with that, Barre?

You mention alleged 'confessions' without saying who, what, and why. We have demolished 'confession' after absurd 'confession' here, but curiously you have failed to rebut. Why?

You speak in cliches with not a shred of proof offered, you won't get away with that at this forum. The playing field is level for a change and perhaps that bothers you.

As I say:
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

Please read all the guidelines. If you really want to debate, then by all means bring it. We're more than ready.

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Postby Wahrheit » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:35 am)

Barre wrote:Im amazed there are people that still try and defend the Nazis and there crimes against humanity in every possible way, even saying its a big zionist evil plot etc, unbelievable.


There is no doubt that certain crimes and hardships took place under the Nazis, such as the persecution of the Jews, euthanasia, etc...Much as many other states, but then and now, still practice such crimes. What happened under Hitler was not much out of the ordinary for the time, especially in wartime.

If the Nazis where able to put thousands in ghettos and strip them of every right, how ridicoulusly small it was, if they can do that all without problems, why is it so hard to believe they gassed them too?


Lets hold on and examine your logic more closely. Because the Nazis were willing to ghettoize certain Jews in overcrowded locations, means that the Nazis were willing to do away with valuable wartime manpower, waste the resources (time, money, transportation, fuel, guards) that it would take to send these people off, into alleged costly and specially built gas-chambers to use even more valuable and in-demand Zyklon-B?

It was just a small step and in the Nazis twisted mind a logic next step.


Evidence that this was a logical step for the Nazis?

So the whole world is behind this plot and the Western Allies and the Soviets when they liberated the camps just made some stuff up when they liberated them just to..well please the Jews and give them more money?


Notice the strawman that Barre creates here. He tosses the "conspiracy-loon" mark on us, even though it is himself who actually believes in a conspiracy, where the European continent went bezerk for 12 years and let loose a murderous rampage against the 6 million chosen people from the Atlantic to the Baltic, all the while covering up all evidence for such alleged crimes.

The millions of meticulous documents were all destroyed, all traces of mass graves were removed and hidden, the Zyklon-B Introduction columns were destroyed and the roof holes covered over, aerial photographs were mistaken etc, etc.. :roll:


There are many interviews with former SS guards where the guards claim gassings and mass killings and total disrepsect for human rights did happen in Auschwitz etc, the list is long and sad, why would they claim that?


Hannover has called your bluff here.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:05 pm)

Revisionists do not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third Reich; that Jews were deprived of civil rights; that Jews were deported; they do not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos; they do not deny the existence of concentration camps; they do not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps; they do not deny that Jews died for a great number of reasons; they do not deny that other minorities were also persecuted such as gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, and political dissenters; and they do not deny that all the above mentioned things were unjust.

Revisionists believe that there was no National Socialist order for the physical extermination of Jews;

Likewise, there was no National-Socialist plan for physical extermination of Jews;

There was no German organization and no budget for carrying out the alleged
extermination plan;

The internment camps had no homicidal gas chambers or sophisticated methods for mass murder;

There were neither adequate industrial facilities nor sufficient fuel to cremate such a huge number of corpses. In fact, the capacity of the crematories was barely sufficient to cremate the bodies of those who died from starvation and epidemics;

There is no documentation for the existence of homicidal gas chambers, and no material traces of alleged mass murders. All the "proofs" rely on eyewitness accounts only, whose unreliability is widely acknowledged;

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The Holocaust hoaxsters exaggerate and embellish a 60+ year old event in order to abuse the Palestinians and rob them of their land, while claiming a free pass for their barbaric conduct on account of the "holocaust".

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Postby Breker » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:25 pm)

It's peculiar that all of the 'rare and unusual persecution' of various groups that is claimed of the Germans were in fact ordinary occurrences in most countries of the world. It's as if the world thinks it can absolve itself by pinning it exclusively on the Germans.
The Jews themselves were 'persecuted' for their own acts of, well, persecution. Witness Israel today.
Euthanasia (greatlly exaggerated stories, BTW) was not a crime in NS Germany and is a mainstream practice today.
As for the criminally inclined Gypsies, there is no evidence for mass murder of them, they were and are highly disliked wherever they roam.
Recall that the U.S. locked up a larger percentage of Japanese-Americans than the percentage of Jews placed in ghettos and camps by the Germans.
The claims about homosexuals and Jehovah's Witnesses are completely unsustainable when examined thoroughly.
As our beloved Hannover has said, there are topics aplenty here on all the sorted and ignorant legends.
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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:53 pm)

Good day and welcome to the forum, Barre! Glad to have you onboard.

I should like to make a couple of issues clear; instead of coming here and flagrantly tell us how amazed you are that people defend "THE nazis" and their alleged actions, why don't you tell us more what you believe happend and why you believe it and how you started having this belief (ie. based on what evidence, etc,.)?

Secondly, I am not calling you any diabolical names for having a belief in the stories you seem to believe in, so I would prefer it if you would stop refering to people who do not share your belief as "holocaust deniers" too. There is no need for any of that.

I am interested to hear your thoughts on "gas chambers" and why you believe in them and what your belief in such things are based upon. A seperate thread would be needed for that, however, as this one is already flooded with superfluous issues. Don't you agree?

I think, if there were evidence for the claims of "gas chambers" and systematic extermination of Jews by the Germans and their Igor-like friends, it only follows logically, that we would be more than happy to share you belief. However, as it is, we have yet to find any reliable evidence for such claims and that is why we do not believe in the claims.

Thank you and, as I say, welcome aboard!

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Postby Mendoza » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:25 pm)

Mr. Barre -
This site is not about "defending the nazis" as you so bluntly put it. In fact, CODOH is established specifically to defend the rights of people to say and write what they want irregardless of societal taboos. Today it is a crime to question any aspect of the Holocaust in many countries in Europe. While it is still popular entertainment to discuss the story of Edward R. Murrow and his bringing down of Senator Joe McCarthy we fail to hear anyone in the media decrying the imprisonment of revisionists like Germar Rudolf who is currently sitting in a German prison for writing and publishing books. At one time it was believed that the Nazis gassed innocent victims at the concentration camp at Dachau. Today, no reputable source makes that accusation. In fact, although several Germans were executed for running the gas chamber of Dachau, today it is understood that no gas chamber ever functioned at Dachau. Similarly it was once believed that as many as 2 million perished at the camp in Majdanek. Today, the official Website for Majdanek has lowered that figure to 78,000.
There is no doubt that Jews suffered a terrible catastrophe during the Second World War, but that event like any other should be open to debate. The Holocaust story has taken on religious-like stature and is more dangerous to debate than Jesus Christ.
There is much for you to learn about this subject. For starters I recommend the essays found here:
http://www.codoh.com/info/infoihr/ihrleafdex.html Good luck in your education. Understand that there was a time when we all were believers.
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