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Holocaust Hoax connected to Battle of Stalingrad?

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:14 pm)

When one looks at the Warsaw ghetto uprising story and considers that just a few months earlier 300,000 Jews had voluntarily gone east from the Warsaw ghetto as the Nazis requested, one wonders why the big change. The Battle of Stalingrad might be the answer.

Germany as invicible and about to overthrow the Bolsheviks might have made for a different Jewish stategy than post-Stalingrad where one could predict Germany losing the war or suing for peace. Prior to Stalingrad, Jews going East might have seemed like the best deal the Jews were going to be able to get.

Going east to a Jewish homeland in occupied USSR seemed less of a possibility after Battle of Stalingrad. Perhaps a change in Jewish strategy involving a hoax brought up a renewed possibility of success after 40 years of trying to get Israel.

Consider the "Judenrat" the Jewish councils that ran the ghettos. These were prominent Jews, not shills installed by the nazis. In some ghettos they even had a separate currency. All part of preparation for their having their own state. That's pre-Stalingrad cooperation. The Judenrats seem absurd today in light of the standard holocaust story. They don't fit with it at all. Even a Jewish police force within the Warsaw ghetto seems completely odd when considering the standard holocaust story, but makes sense with a pre-Stalingrad Jewish cooperation strategy.

It would have been a tough situation because the Nazis were anti-Jewish. Meanwhile the British occupied Palestine but were not anti-Jewish. So what do you do if you're a zionist? Primarily you want to be on the winning side. So form an allegiance with the side you think is going to win as soon as possible (like after the Battle of Stalingrad) This problematic situation can be seen regarding Avraham Stern in this Village Voice article:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0151,vest,30862,1.html

And it's too incredibly weak to accept the Jewish excuse that the Jews cooperated because they didn't know about the holocaust. Strange that they started very much knowing right around the time when the USSR trapped the German 6th army. That was November 1942, and the date of the "November 1942 Report" which told of Treblinka, though that report was never seen in the west until December or January. It was simply dated November. Ben Hecht's February 1943 Reader's Digest article mentioning the peril of 6 million Jews and a need for a homeland came a couple months later.

Getting Israel was something that money couldn't buy. Zionists had been searching for a way to get Israel for 40 years. Settling for strange second choice possibilites like Uganda. Only a cataclysmic event, or a perception of one, was going to make getting Israel possible.

It's hard to imagine today, but before Stalingrad, it appeared very likely that communism in the USSR would be overthrown, and with that would be the uncovering of a 1920's and 1930's holocaust done to the Ukrainians and Russians, which would discredit communism. Some sort of Jewish state would then be created in Russian territory, possibly temporarily, while other places in the world would be considered like Madagascar.

The battle of Stalingrad changed that along with a phenomenal American production of bombers. Up to 1,000 a month.

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Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:22 pm)

The pro-Zionist inclinations of the Third Reich are an under-reported feature of NS Germany. Years ago when I came to know Ingrid Weckert she explained to me that she and many other Germans of the pre-war era were extremely pro-Zionist and she still remains that way today.

The important text from the newstory cited above is, I believe:

" "It's peculiar, it's paradoxical, that Sharon and Likud should be the ones who are trying to equate any authentic resistance in Palestine with some of the terrorist activities, as terrorism in Israel really started with Begin and Shamir and later Sharon," says Clovis Maksoud, the former Arab League ambassador to the United Nations. "It's a very valid question as to why they see no similarities between themselves under the British and the Palestinians under their occupation." Especially, he adds, as the Israeli government supports museums that honor assassins and terrorists—including one located on a street named for a terrorist.

The thoroughfare in question runs between Florentine and Emeq-Yisrael, and bears the name Stern Street—in honor of Avraham Stern, a 1920s Zionist and charter member of the Haganah, then a loose-knit Jewish militia organized as a self-defense mechanism against Arab violence. Finding the Haganah insufficiently proactive in realizing the goal of a Jewish state that would encompass "both sides of the River Jordan," erstwhile Mussolini follower and early-day ultra-nationalist Ze'ev Jabotinsky broke with the militia and formed the Irgun, which devoted itself to terrorist operations against the British. Once an enthusiastic Irgunist, Stern was appalled when the Irgun decided to make common cause with the British against the Nazis, and created the even more underground and more violent Lehi (Lohamei Herut Yisrael, or Fighters for the Freedom of Israel), also known as the Stern Gang, which held there was no greater threat to the Jews of Palestine than the mandate's British administrators.

To this end, Stern actually made overtures to the Axis powers; September 1940 found him in dialogue with an emissary from Il Duce in Jerusalem, and in January 1941 he dispatched an agent to Vichy-controlled Beirut with instructions to convey a letter to representatives of the Reich. In it, Stern held that the "establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East. Proceeding from these considerations, [the Lehi] in Palestine, under the condition [that] the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side."

The Germans declined to take Stern up on the offer, but Stern held out hope as his organization continued to engage in terrorism against the British. After Stern died in a shoot-out with British police in 1942, his mantle was picked up by future Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Shamir. Still, the Israeli underground focused on the British as the greatest of all evils, and on November 6, 1944, Lord Moyne, the British minister for Middle East affairs, was assassinated in Cairo by Eliyahu Beit-Tzuri and Eliyahu Hakim—both members of the Lehi, who were later arrested, convicted, and hanged. ......."

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:27 pm)

Interesting phrase:

"Pro-zionist implications of the Third Reich"

That's a concept people can't even wrap their head around. But the nazis promoted Jewish self-government in the ghettos, a Jewish police force, even a currency in some ghettos. Not to mention the Madagascar plan. All this can be seen as zionist. No wonder there's so much Israeli hate and lies about the "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem." Because he steered the nazis from advocating that Jewish Homeland in Israel. A holocaust hoax to get Israel just worked out as a better strategy. Compared with a homeland in occupied USSR, which would soon be taken by USSR.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:24 pm)

Another aspect would have been the various Jewish politics: some Jews wanted to be with the winners. But Soviet communist Jews would have had instructions to resist being colonized East. How do you get the rest of the Jews to go along with that? Holocaust hoax.

Adolf Berman is a major figure in the hoax and one of the biggest heads in the Warsaw ghetto. His brother headed the Pro-Stalin wing of the Polish communists. It's speculation but one could see how leadership and strategy could have flowed from Moscow to the Warsaw ghetto that way.

But the battle of Stalingrad favoring the prediction of the winning side being the communists, must have increased the clout in the Warsaw ghetto of the Polish Jewish communists.

In a way the holocaust hoax is a marriage of Zionism and anti-Nazism. With the anti-Nazism part leading to good Jewish-Stalin relations for at least until around 1950.


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