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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:25 pm)

Oh how desperate the judeo-supremacists are becoming as Ahmadinejad has them making fools of themselves. See below.

Their 'most documented' canard is only true if what's really meant is the most repeated Big Lie. They alway make that claim; but when specifics are demanded it becomes a rout by Revisionists. Witness this forum.

Revisionist have utterly demolished the absurd '6,000,000 & gas chambers' lies.

Read on.

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Tough US welcome for Iran's Ahmadinejad
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070924/ap_on_re_us/iran_us

By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer 19 minutes ago

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took the stage at Columbia University on Monday to a blistering reception from the president of the school, who said the hard-line leader behaved like "a petty and cruel dictator."

Ahmadinejad smiled as Columbia President Lee Bollinger took him to task over Iran's human-rights record and foreign policy, and Ahmadinejad's statements denying the Holocaust and calling for the disappearance of Israel.

"Mr. President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator," Bollinger said, to loud applause.

He said Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust might fool the illiterate and ignorant.

"When you come to a place like this it makes you simply ridiculous," Bollinger said. "The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history."

Ahmadinejad rose, also to applause, and after a religious invocation, said Bollinger's opening was: "an insult to information and the knowledge of the audience here."

"There were insults and claims that were incorrect, regretfully," Ahmadinejad said, accusing Bollinger of falling under the influence of the hostile U.S. press and politicians.

"I should not begin by being affected by this unfriendly treatment," he said.

During a question and answer session with the audience, Ahmadinejad appeared agitated. In response to one question, Ahmadinejad denied he was questioning the existence of the Holocaust.

"Granted this happened, what does it have to do with the Palestian people?" he said.

But then he said he was defending the rights of European scholars, an apparent reference to a small number who have been prosecuted under national laws for denying or minimizing the Holocaust.

"There's nothing known as absolute," he said.

During his prepared remarks, the Iranian president did not address Bollinger's accusations directly, instead launching into a long religious discursion laced with quotes with the Quran before turning to criticism of the Bush administration and past American governments, from warrantless wiretapping to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Bollinger was strongly criticized for inviting Ahmadinejad to Columbia, and had promised tough questions in his introduction to Ahmadinejad's talk. But the strident and personal nature of his attack on the president of Iran was startling.

"You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated," Bollinger told Ahmadinejad about the leader's Holocaust denial. "Will you cease this outrage?"

Ahmadinejad said he simply wanted more research on the Holocaust, which he said was abused as a justification for Israeli mistreatment of the Palestinians.

"Why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the price for an event they had nothing to do with?" Ahmadinejad asked. He closed his prepared remarks with a terse smile, to applause and boos, before taking questions from the audience.

President Bush said Ahmadinejad's appearance at Columbia "speaks volumes about really the greatness of America."

He told Fox News Channel that if Bollinger considers Ahmadinejad's visit an educational experience for Columbia students, "I guess it's OK with me."

Thousands of people jammed two blocks of 47th Street across from the United Nations to protest Ahmadinejad's visit to New York. Organizers claimed a turnout of tens of thousands. Police did not immediately have a crowd estimate.

The speakers, most of them politicians and officials from Jewish organizations, proclaimed their support for Israel and criticized the Iranian leader for his remarks questioning the Holocaust.

"We're here today to send a message that there is never a reason to give a hatemonger an open stage," New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said.

Protesters also assembled at Columbia. Dozens stood near the lecture hall where Ahmadinejad was scheduled to speak, linking arms and singing traditional Jewish folk songs about peace and brotherhood, while nearby a two-person band played "You Are My Sunshine."

Signs in the crowd displayed a range of messages, including one that read "We refuse to choose between Islamic fundamentalism and American imperialism."
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:21 pm)

The headline for this article is:
"Breaking News
Iran's president: I don't deny Holocaust "

Always clever Ahmadinejad handles this well.
Ahmadinejad, who plans to address the UN General Assembly tomorrow, said he did not deny the Holocaust occurred, but didn't see what was wrong with asking questions about it.

"I'm not saying that it didn't happen at all," he said. "[But] can you argue that researching a phenomenon is finished forever, done? Can we close the books foreever on a historical event?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/09 ... ent_i_dont
_deny_holocaust-3.html

IOW:
Yes, Jews, as did others suffer in WWII (i.e. Japanese-American put into US concentration camps). Call it 'the holocaust' if you want.

It's obvious that the 'gas chambers & 6,000,000' myth is a lie because those who question it are arrested.

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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:19 pm)

Hannover quoting Ahmadinejad wrote:IOW: Yes, Jews, as did others suffer in WWII (i.e. Japanese-American put into US concentration camps). Call it 'the holocaust' if you want.


One shouldn’t call whatever supposedly historical set of events one may feel like "the Holocaust." The place is already taken and, besides, it's a fatal mistake from the political propaganda point of view Ahmadinejad may be interested in. If one does, then the "Holocaust" -- as he, you, I, and approximately 6.7 billion people know it -- will just fade away, retreat to its natural "night and fog" den and become inaccessible to critical analysis, much like triumphant religions have been managing to for a long, long time. No lie is eternal, but it would be nice to be able to strangle one or two snakes in the historical craddle, for a change. Alas, Ahmadinejad is no Herakles...

There is only one historical "Holocaust" that is openly claimed to have taken place, and that's the extermination attempt of the Jews by the Germans, resulting in approximately 6 million victims, mainly in the hellish mass-murdering gas chambers. This is an extremely logical proposition quite vulnerable to the usual historical methods of research and it has been made mincemeat of.

The amoeba-like, shapeless "Holocaust" in the guise of any multitude of "holocausts" (i.e. any sort of true or false Jewish sufferings you may feel like considering as a result of WW2), on the other hand, is an undebatable silly concept in perpetual mutation. It's also the dream come true of the Jewish "Holocaust" peddlers in trouble to evacuate in good order their enormous historical lie without disturbing the tremendous weapon at their disposal for financial and political blackmail.

This is why the Iranian president is not an able spokesman for the revisionist position. You'll note he is utterly incapable of replying to the constant assault of the "Holocaust" liars, thugs & crybabies with any relevant facts that might go straight to the core of the matter, such as the unreality of the gas chambers. In the end, all he is able to parrot is the one line "Palestinians didn't do it, Europeans did."

Well, of course the Palestinians didn't do it! Neither did you or I. Neither did the Europeans or the Germans, because the "Holocaust" is a gigantic lie devised for power and profit. Full stop. Anyone wants to argue the facts of the supposedly historical "Holocaust? No? Then put up or shut up, don't make up a new sort of chameleonic "Holocaust" every weekend or so. This should be the whole of the message.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:29 pm)

ASMarques said:
One shouldn’t call whatever supposedly historical set of events one may feel like "the Holocaust."

Perhaps I was misunderstood, or I misunderstood ASMarques. I meant that Jews can call their adventures in WWII 'the holocaust' if they wish. It is an absurd story title with no bearing on reality. There were others whose suffering was equal to, or far worse than Jews'.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:43 pm)

ASM said:
This is why the Iranian president is not an able spokesman for the revisionist position. You'll note he is utterly incapable of replying to the constant assault of the "Holocaust" liars, thugs & crybabies with any relevant facts that might go straight to the core of the matter, such as the unreality of the gas chambers. In the end, all he is able to parrot is the one line "Palestinians didn't do it, Europeans did."

To certain degree true, but Ahmadinejad hasn't bothered with the specifics as it's all too apparent that the specifics are nonsense since Revisionists are arrested for speaking freely. Ahmadinejad routinely brings up that point, the persecution of Revisionists; today was no exception:
But then he said he was defending the rights of European scholars, an apparent reference to a small number who have been prosecuted under national laws for denying or minimizing the Holocaust.

Free speech is the enemy of the 'holocaust' myth.

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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:53 pm)

Hannover wrote:Perhaps I was misunderstood, or I misunderstood ASMarques. I meant that Jews can call their adventures in WWII 'the holocaust' if they wish.

I wasn't implying you yourself liked to play the "Holocaust" variations, so to say. It was rather "Hannover quoting Ahmadinejad." I was simply using the opportunity to again make one of my favourite points.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:03 am)

The public usually gets limited, out of context quotes meant as disinformation, but this media admission is a zinger.
Ahmadinejad questions 9/11, Holocaust

By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 46 minutes ago

IIranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defended Holocaust revisionists and raised questions about who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks in a tense showdown Monday at Columbia University, ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070925/ap_on_re_us/iran_us

here is a segment of actual text:
AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Like you, like any academic, I, too, will keep -- not yet become silent until I get the answer. So I'm awaiting logical answers instead of insults.

My first question was if -- given that the Holocaust is a present reality of our time, a history that occurred, why is there not sufficient research that can approach the topic from different perspectives?

Our friend referred to 1930 as the point of departure for this development. However, I believe the Holocaust from what we've read happened during World War II, after 1930, in the 1940s. So, you know, we have to really be able to trace the event.

My question was simple: There are researchers who want to approach the topic from a different perspective. Why are they put into prison? Right now, there are a number of European academics who have been sent to prison because they attempted to write about the Holocaust or research it from a different perspective, questioning certain aspects of it.

My question is: Why isn't it open to all forms of research?

I have been told that there's been enough research on the topic. And I ask, well, when it comes to topics such as freedom, topics such as democracy, concepts and norms such as God, religion, physics even, or chemistry, there's been a lot of research, but we still continue more research on those topics. We encourage it.

But, then, why don't we encourage more research on a historical event that has become the root, the cause of many heavy catastrophes in the region in this time and age?

more here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 42_pf.html

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Postby TruthSeeker » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:32 am)

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I didn't understand the point you are trying to make with your lengthy post. What I can say, however, is that no one is claiming that Ahmadinejad now represents, or should ever represent, revisionists and our arguments. Nonetheless, and given the limitations (and their impact on national and security interests) -- especially in the face of the massive propaganda and manipulations of the Jewish lobby -- that he has to face as a head of state, Ahmadinejad's position is highly useful in that it actually elevates to the international platform the importance of putting aside blind beliefs in holocaustism and emphasizes the need to engage in a thorough scientific study of the so-called holocaust. If you listened to his speech yesterday, it was fascinating, in that he put to shame the so-called academics and those who talk about "freedom", and who, when it comes to revisionist debunking of the holocaust canard, forget all about freedom of speech and of the importance of scientific curiosity and inquiry. I would have loved it if he had furthermore pointed out that the Jewish lobbies would put into practice regarding their so-called holocaust, what they say should be practiced regarding the Armenian genocide, namely, that historians, etc. should examine the historical record without any politicization and bias. It's truly amazing what a grip the Jews have on people's minds that people fail to notice even the most explicit of hypocrisies on their part.

Nonetheless, Iran has already done much (for example, the Holocaust cartoons contest) in the way of exposing the double standards into which the Jews have dragged the whole world.

And we can already see cracks in Jews' hold on people's minds, and it will only go downhill for them from this point onwards. It is very simple. There cannot be a lie without there being a truth behind it. I think that some people -- for whom lying has become a career, a culture, or better yet, a lifestyle -- must have forgotten this very basic fact of life. :lol:

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:19 am)

And let's not forget Ahmadinejad's attendance at the 'Holocaust' Conference in Tehran, see:
'Iran conference to scrutinize 'Holocaust', Dec. 11-12, '06'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3837

Then there was the satirical cartoon contest sponsored by Iran, of which Ahmadinejad is President, see:
'Holocaust Cartoons Exhibited in Teheran'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3773
example:
Image

also see:
'Moroccan wins Iran's 'Holocaust' cartoon contest'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3780
the winner:
Image

Not exactly kowtowing to judeo-supremacists' impossible 'holocaust' stories.

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Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:21 pm)

It is an amazing display of the power of Zionism in the USA when the president of Columbia University, no doubt a very intelligent man, has to make an ass of himself before the President of Iran and the world in order to save himself from the wrath of the Zionists in America.

To see this cultured man behaving like Bull Connor of George Wallace fame as he insulted a guest to his university and sink to the mentality of a lynch mob with such ridiculous Zionist lies such as “ the most documented event in history”, an event that, as a matter of fact, as we all know, is probably the least documented major event in history, was embarrassing to watch. I had the same feeling watching Colin Powell deliver the WMD speech that ruined his career. Was this poor man afraid of losing his job, suffering the fate of Norman Finklestein, or being thrown in jail like Zundel, Irving or worse? Who knows? Perhaps they threatened his children, his wife and his house, but I refuse to believe that such man would have not behaved so ignorantly had he not been terrified.

On the other hand Amandinejad came across as a very sincere though extremely naïve your man: his attitude about homosexuals, for example, was, well, sadly laughable and his belief that he could get American university kids to actually think was equally so. Perhaps he has learned something from that exchange. Let us hope so.

It is difficult to judge his true knowledge of the holocaust. No doubt he knows enough to recognize a hoax when he sees one but he appears to lack even the simplest details required to debate it effectively. Who knows? Many of us could have done better job exposing the holocaust for what it is but at least he tried to bring some decency and honesty to this gigantic hoax and for that I praise him.
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Postby Goethe » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:34 pm)

Bollinger, the president of Columbia U., really made an ass of himself, he showed himself to be the real hater. What's weird is that Bollinger invited Ahmadinejad, you have to wonder who pulled Bollinger's chain. Ahmadinejad clearly came across as a cool & collected man and was the clear winner on the world stage. Iranians are rallying around Ahmadinejad, check this:
Iranians decry harsh words for president - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070925/ap_ ... ea/iran_us

Yes, the Jewish Supremacist dominated US media will continue to attack Ahmadinejad, mainly for his "the Holocaust is a myth", and the complete lie that he said he wants to 'wipe Israel off the map'; but in the long run Holocaust revisionism will gain a boost and appropriately labeled "shitty little Israel" takes another body blow. Columbia and New York's low class treatment of Ahmadinejad has backfired.
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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:12 pm)

You have to give it to Ahmadinejad for staying calm in spite of the insults hauled in his direction. I wager to bet that many in the audience were surprised to learn the complete opposite side of Ahmadinejad as opposed to what the U.S media writes about him.

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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:13 pm)

TruthSeeker wrote:ASMarques, I didn't understand the point you are trying to make with your lengthy post.


Okay. Here is the shortened version of the point I was making, as clear and short as I can make it:

One shouldn’t call whatever supposedly historical set of events one may feel like "the Holocaust." The place is already taken and, besides, it's a fatal mistake from the political propaganda point of view Ahmadinejad may be interested in.


Why is it a fatal mistake? Because it allows the other side to determine the terms of the debate at will, surreptitiously voiding it of any substance and turning it to its enormous advantage in the eyes of the ignorant public. If the debate is simply on whether "the Holocaust" took place or not, regardless of what the proper noun "Holocaust" designates, it's obvious we have a guaranteed winner for the "yes" bunch. For instance, if this week's meaning of "the Holocaust" is, say, the Declaration of Independence of the United States, then, yes, "the Holocaust" is a very well-documented likely historical truth for this week. What's so difficult to understand about this?

BTW, this is why the "gas chambers" topic is a winner for the revisionist side: because it's impossible to turn the "homicidal gas chamber" concept into an abstract nothing.

If the ignorant Iranian president -- or anyone else interested in the subject that might dispose of a largely publicized tribune -- really wanted to bring the lies into the open and embarrass the peddlers of the shapeless device for power and profit called "the Holocaust", then he should have brought the gas chambers to the fore. This he never does and probably never will do.

But, of course, that's not what he really wants. Basically what he is interested in is: 1) peddling the historical lies Islam requires and 2) helping the Palestinian cause. I can heartily agree with his second objective, but not at the expense of the truth regarding the "Holocaust" cult.

The guy is an engineer. He has been in contact with "Holocaust" revisionism and should at least understand a few of the basics. And yet he finds nothing better to say than "yes to the Holocaust, no to Palestinian responsibility for it"?!

I think his reply to the homosexual question really exposes his one-track mind. A useful occasional ally, given the total isolation of revisionists vis-a-vis the powers that be in the world of the judeo-christian lies, and a good man he may be too (don't know about that), but on the intellectual level what a sanctimonious moron!...

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:43 pm)

... this is why the "gas chambers" topic is a winner for the revisionist side: because it's impossible to turn the "homicidal gas chamber" concept into an abstract nothing.

... but on the intellectual level what a sanctimonious moron!...


Absolutely correct. The absurd and impossible 'gas chambers' yarn cannot be made into cubist art, although there are those who have tried (I would also add the complete lack of enormous mass graves as claimed). The 'gas chambers' are science, and there the laughable True Believers' goose is cooked.

If Amadinejad is "a sanctimonious moron" then he's in good company with the likes of Bush, Foxman, Lieberman, Giuliani, Clinton, etc. I also have a feeling Amadinejad is not done yet with the so called 'holocaust'. We'll
have to wait and see.

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