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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:43 pm)

[i]...but wasn't Auschwitz a huge factory for making synthetic oil, rubber etc.[/]

I think you mean AIII, Monowitz, a few kilometers down the road. I. G Farben built a few factories there.

Oddy enough, I read somewhere that Eli Wiesel survived because he worked at Monowitz and so was too valuable to knock off. What about his dad though, who was sick and in hospital. How valuable was he? Didn't he have a crook knee/leg, yet still undertook the German invitation to walk with them back to Germany. They made it to Buchenwald so he must have had some sympathetic help from the Germans.

Ya gotta wonder about Wikipedia. They say Eli and his dad were marched by the Germans, not invited. And no word of Wiesel senior being in the Auschwitz hospital getting treated. Who wants to edit it? Go on, have a go. Set the record straight.
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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:52 am)

2008-01-18
African-American pilots over Auschwitz

By Rafael Medoff



Last week, President Bush remarked that the United States should have bombed the Auschwitz death camp in 1944. Next week, Americans will commemorate the birthday of Martin Luther King Jr. and the struggle for Civil Rights.

What do these two occasions have in common? More than one might think.

The link between the two is the Tuskegee Airmen of World War II, the first African American pilots in the United States military. The Tuskegee veterans, who have come to symbolize the early years of the civil rights struggle, often speak at events honoring Dr. King. Again and again, these pilots were victimized by racist War Department officials who regarded them as inferior and did not want them to fly. Yet again and again they persevered, and their extraordinary achievements in battle undermined the claims of their racist opponents.

Tuskegee squadrons shot down a total of 109 German planes and repeatedly won Distinguished Unit Citations and other medals for performance in their missions over Europe. They were so admired by their fellow pilots that bomber groups often specifically requested the Tuskegee units as escorts for their bombing raids.

One of those raids took place in the skies over Auschwitz.

Which is where President Bush's statement comes in. The president made his remark about bombing Auschwitz while visiting Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial, where he viewed an aerial reconnaissance photo of the death camp.

Those photos were taken by U.S. planes in the spring and summer of 1944, in preparation for bombing the area -- not for bombing the gas chambers or crematoria, but rather for bombing German oil factories nearby.

On the morning of Aug. 20, 1944, a group of 127 U.S. bombers called Flying Fortresses approached Auschwitz. They were escorted by 100 Mustang fighter planes. Most of the Mustangs were piloted by Tuskegee Airmen of the 332nd Fighter Group. The attacking force dropped more than one thousand 500-pound bombs on oil targets less than five miles from the gas chambers. Despite German anti-aircraft fire and a squadron of German fighter planes, none of the Mustangs were hit and only one of the U.S. planes was shot down. All of the units reported successfully hitting their targets.

On the ground below, Jewish slave laborers, including 15 year-old Elie Wiesel, cheered the bombing. In his bestselling memoir, "Night," Wiesel described their reaction: "We were not afraid. And yet, if a bomb had fallen on the blocks [the prisoners' barracks], it alone would have claimed hundreds of victims on the spot. But we were no longer afraid of death; at any rate, not of that death. Every bomb that exploded filled us with joy and gave us new confidence in life. The raid lasted over an hour. If it could only have lasted 10 times 10 hours!"

But it did not. Even though there were additional U.S. bombing raids on German industrial sites in that region in the weeks and months to follow, the gas chambers and crematoria were never targeted.

The Roosevelt administration knew about the mass murder going on in Auschwitz, and even possessed diagrams of the camp that were prepared by two escapees. But when Jewish organizations asked the Roosevelt administration to order the bombing of the camp and the railways leading to it, the requests were rejected. U.S. officials claimed such raids were "impracticable" because they would require "considerable diversion" of planes needed for the war effort.

But the Tuskegee veterans know that claim was false. They were right there in the skies above Auschwitz. No "diversion" was necessary to drop a few bombs on the mass-murder machinery or the railways leading into the camp. Sadly, those orders were never given.

The decision to refrain from bombing Auschwitz was part of a broader policy by the Roosevelt administration to refrain from taking action to rescue Jews from the Nazis or provide havens for them. The U.S. did not want to deal with the burden of caring for large numbers of refugees. And its ally, Great Britain, would not open the doors to Palestine to the Jews, for fear of angering Arab opinion. The result was that the Allies failed to confront one of history's most compelling moral challenges.

The refusal to bomb Auschwitz remains the most powerful symbol of that failure. As President Bush said at Yad Vashem, Auschwitz should have been bombed. And the Tuskegee Airmen are eyewitnesses to the fact that it could have been.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=18783

So, that adds to the flavour: flying Negroes over Auschwitz!

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:16 pm)

The "African-American pilots over Auschwitz, African-American pilots over Auschwitz, By Rafael Medoff" is the ultimate in judeo-supremacist nonsense.
The Roosevelt administration knew about the mass murder going on in Auschwitz, and even possessed diagrams of the camp that were prepared by two escapees.

A complete falsehood. There is no proof of 'mass murder' at Auschwitz, and the 'diagrams' mentioned are laughable, hence they were not taken seriously. Supremacist Rafael Medoff is simply a liar, for his own special interests as usual.
The refusal to bomb Auschwitz remains the most powerful symbol of that failure. As President Bush said at Yad Vashem, Auschwitz should have been bombed. And the Tuskegee Airmen are eyewitnesses to the fact that it could have been.

No one is surprised that President Bush has yet to get anything right.

Notice how judeo-supremacist Medoff tries to connect his supremacist cause with American blacks, as if that lends credibility to his hatemongering Zionist lies. The airmen in question have never claimed to see 'mass exterminations' at Auschwitz. Medoff is a hapless shyster.

For more on judeo-supremacist lying via use of black Americans, see:

'faked 'liberation of Dachau by black soldiers' movie'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2364
excerpt:
When the film was screened, the audience of 1200 blacks and Jews came to tears This extravaganza featured a kosher and soul food banquet afterwards. Many platitudes were exchanged. The film was shown on public television the same night.[iii] This public showing prompted Mr. Newfield to call the night a "spiritual catharsis" for blacks and Jews.[iv]

What was missing from the film was truth.

The screening had been sponsored by Time-Warner and some rich and influential New Yorkers who had hoped the film would be an important tool in rebuilding a black-Jewish alliance. The veracity of the film did not concern those who made it.

A veteran says " The Jews faked the film "


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Postby PotPie » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:08 pm)

Hannover wrote:They did bomb it for that reason.


I don't know what reason they bombed it for, but they did bomb it. Im not sure why these people would claim it wasn't, perhaps to instill a sense of guilt among the populations of Allied countries, at least, of not an eventual financial windfall.

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Postby Mannstein » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:57 am)

Yes indeed, Monowitz was bombed in 1944. My family lived in Hindenburg not far from Kattowitz which is just down the road from Monowitz heard about it at the time. In fact my father's company was required to do repair work after the raid. He was sent to the site to evaluate the damage and make recommendations as to what was needed for repairs.

A few years ago a German court historian claimed that P-51 fighter escorts did not have the range to fly to Dresden for the February 13 -14 , 1945 raid on the city. Now these same historians are saying that P-51s were over Auschwitz which just happens to be more than 100 miles further east. I wish these people would get their lies straight once and for all.

As Hanover would say this is just too easy.

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Postby theTRUTH » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:08 am)

The 2 CIA air photo experts who wrote the 1979 Auschwitz report described the photos, but did not incude the one of the alleged killing chambers surrounded by Allied bombs or question why the camp or rail-lines weren't bombed, perhaps because they knew these would invite unwanted questions. It took Revisionists to publish it 14 years later.

Now for 16 years the Holocaust lobby has squirmed to explain why the camp and rail-lines weren't touched because they know any moron can understand the simple Revisionist arguement that the camps weren't bombed because British and American military leaders, knowing of mass-murder rumors and after conducting their own thorough studies, were confident inmates were not being murdered.

The photo will be remembered in the future as one of the Revisionists most crucially important air photos which almost singlehandedly disarmed the Holocaust lobby.
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Postby Mendoza » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:07 pm)

Somewhere I read that besides dropping bombs on Auschwitz, which the Allies did -- there are even accounts of it in Czech's "Auschwitz Chronicle," with prisoners having to take shelter in the air raid shelters that were built there -- that the Allies dropped leaflets. The leaflets supposedly told the inmates about poison gas and gas chambers. This got the inmates to believe that they were in fact going to be gassed.

It would be get ammo to get a copy of those propaganda leaflets. There must be one floating around the archives in Washington or Moscow.
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Postby gasto » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:27 pm)

To get our hands on one of those leaflets would be really useful. However, I doubt we will ever even see them...
If Human Soap rumour was fake, why can´t all the other absurd claims be too??

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Re: Why the Allies didn't bomb Auschwitz.

Postby Hektor » 5 years 2 months ago (Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:44 am)

Regarding atrocity rumors being picked up:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p215_Gleason.html
http://revblog.codoh.com/2012/10/what-w ... -and-when/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... ntinck.pdf


Do we have more info on what the Allies knew about the Holocaust? By knowing I mean what their intelligence services had on record, not the garbage their propaganda outlets were trumpeting.

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Re: Why the Allies didn't bomb Auschwitz.

Postby hermod » 5 years 2 months ago (Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:09 pm)

Hektor wrote:Do we have more info on what the Allies knew about the Holocaust? By knowing I mean what their intelligence services had on record, not the garbage their propaganda outlets were trumpeting.


We have this: hermod @ Allied press (Nov 1943): 4 million Jews displaced,not killed

And we have the U.S. Department of State having no knowledge of Hitler's extermination campaign in mid-1943 (according to Congressman Hamilton Fish III), about 7 months after Top Zionist Stephen S. Wise had 'revealed' that Hitler was exterminating Europe's Jews from "sources confirmed by the State Department" (what wasn't true), mainly the Riegner telegram.

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So we have the Red Cross knowing nothing, the Vatican knowing nothing, the Nazis knowing nothing or denying it (quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust'), the U.S. Department of State knowing nothing, Roosevelt doing nothing except anti-Nazi speeches and guys of the World Jewish Congress propagating extermination allegations in the press. Hmmm. That "Holocaust" thing really sounds like a Zionist conspiracy theory after all...

And we also have Dario Brugioni, one of the 2 photo interpreters who published the aerial photographs of Auschitz-Birkenau in the 1970's, saying that there were no such things as extermination camps and gas chambers in WW2 photo analysis (cold beer @ aerial photos / the end of the 'holocaust' scam, very simple). Those things were just for atrocity propaganda...
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Re: Why the Allies didn't bomb Auschwitz.

Postby borjastick » 5 years 2 months ago (Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:53 am)

Hamilton Fish now there's a name to conjure with...

He was very religious. He believed in COD!
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Re: Why the Allies didn't bomb Auschwitz.

Postby Hektor » 5 years 2 months ago (Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:33 am)

hermod wrote:...
And we have the U.S. Department of State having no knowledge of Hitler's extermination campaign in mid-1943 (according to Congressman Hamilton Fish III), about 7 months after Top Zionist Stephen S. Wise had 'revealed' that Hitler was exterminating Europe's Jews from "sources confirmed by the State Department" (what wasn't true), mainly the Riegner telegram.
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... Any documents on what they, the official departments, did actually believe concerning this?

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Postby Hannover » 5 years 2 months ago (Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:05 pm)

Some good related information here on Wise, Reigner, etc.:
The Terrible Secret

Reigner comes up here:
Pappy Yokum @ Another person suddenly remembers he was in Auschwitz
and:
jnovitz @ CD of Terezin songs released by Swedish aristocrat soprano

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent racist Jewish supremacists demand that there be no open debate.
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Re: Why the Allies didn't bomb Auschwitz.

Postby hermod » 5 years 2 months ago (Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:58 pm)

Hektor wrote:
hermod wrote:...
And we have the U.S. Department of State having no knowledge of Hitler's extermination campaign in mid-1943 (according to Congressman Hamilton Fish III), about 7 months after Top Zionist Stephen S. Wise had 'revealed' that Hitler was exterminating Europe's Jews from "sources confirmed by the State Department" (what wasn't true), mainly the Riegner telegram.
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... Any documents on what they, the official departments, did actually believe concerning this?


http://codoh.com/library/document/2132/

http://holocausthistorychannel.wordpres ... -language/

"When Felix Frankfurter confided in him his fear that the Jews were being systematically exterminated, the president told him not to worry too much. His information was that the deported Jews were simply set to work on the Eastern frontier to build fortifications." - Klaus P. Fischer, Hitler and America, p. 163 (http://books.google.be/books?id=jV1N-gO ... ns&f=false)

In mid-December 1942, after examining the British draft of the proposed Allied declaration on war crimes stating "The attention of His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom, of the Soviet Government and of the United States Government has been drawn to reports from Europe which leave no room for doubt that the German authorities [...] are now carrying into effect Hitler's oft repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe", Secretary of State Cordell Hull (whose wife was Jewish) deleted the part "which leave no room for doubt" and inserted the word "numerous", so the sentence read, "The attention of His Majesty's Government [...] has been drawn to numerous reports from Europe that the German authorities..." Speaks volumes...

Robert Borden Reams, the Foreign Service officer in the State Department handling "Jewish questions" in Europe, reacted to that Allied declaration by saying: "While the statement does not mention the soap, glue, oil and fertilizer factories, it will be taken as additional confirmation of these stories and will support Rabbi Wise's contention of official confirmation from State Department sources. The way will then be open for further pressure from interested groups for action which might affect the war effort." In a memo of his, Reams warned that the statement proposed by the British Government "would be accepted by the Jewish communities of the world as complete proof of the stories which are now being spread about." A few days later, the American minister to Costa Rica cabled toReams that President Rafael Calderón wished to protest the Nazi order to exterminate the Jews if reports of that order were correct. Reams replied that the order had not been confirmed, and he added: "For your confidential information the source of the reported order ... was a Jewish leader in Geneva."

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Re: Why the Allies didn't bomb Auschwitz.

Postby hermod » 4 years 10 months ago (Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:51 pm)

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"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915


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