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Postby moniker » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:56 pm)

Greetings all,

Part of a course I'm taking involves a project on something involving Jewish culture.

Now as a student aspiring for a well-rounded education, I've always been interested in the 'alternative explanation.' As you have all noted, the Western education tells of the Jewish Holocaust, the millions killed, and the suffering of the Jewish people. I've come to this forum looking for the other story.

I've lurked for a while now, and have learned a great deal about what you believe. What's missing though are your stories. That is, what led you to become a Revisionist? What are your backgrounds? I've heard plenty of the Jewish Holocaust survivors' condition--the Revisionist has an untold story.

If you have any input at all, any thoughtful insights pertaining to anything I've mentioned above, or just information you think I should include in my project, I would be extremely grateful.

Thanks for all your help.

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Postby NovyMir » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:48 pm)

Read the research available on this site and elsewhere. But first you need to make a choice:
http://www.arrod.co.uk/essays/matrix.php
And know it does not end here. It may never end.

Contrary to the writer's final comments, in the context of the Matrix, the blue pill will not lead to "conciousness", or truth, what it leads to is fantasy, self-deception, and slavery.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:10 pm)

1. Revisionists do not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third Reich;
2. that Jews were deprived of civil rights;
3. that Jews were deported;
4. they do not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos;
5. they do not deny the existence of concentration camps;
6. they not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps;
7. they do not deny that Jews died for a great number of reasons;
8. they do not deny that other minorities were also persecuted such as gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, and political dissenters;
9. and finally;
10. and they do not deny that all the above mentioned things were unjust.

Revisionists believe that there was no National Socialist order for the physical extermination of Jews;
Likewise, there was no National-Socialist plan for physical extermination of Jews;
There was no German organization and no budget for carrying out the alleged
extermination plan;
The internment camps had no homicidal gas chambers or sophisticated methods for mass murder;
There were neither adequate industrial facilities nor sufficient fuel to cremate such a huge number of corpses. In fact, the capacity of the crematories was barely sufficient to cremate the bodies of those who died from starvation and epidemics;
There is no documentation for the existence of homicidal gas chambers, and no material traces of alleged mass murders. All the "proofs" rely on eyewitness accounts only, whose unreliability is widely acknowledged;
The Holocaust hoaxsters exaggerate and embellish a 60+ year old event in order to abuse the Palestinians and rob them of their land, while claiming a free pass for their barbaric conduct on account of the "holocaust".

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Postby moniker » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:54 pm)

NovyMir wrote:Read the research available on this site and elsewhere. But first you need to make a choice:
http://www.arrod.co.uk/essays/matrix.php
And know it does not end here. It may never end.

Contrary to the writer's final comments, in the context of the Matrix, the blue pill will not lead to "conciousness", or truth, what it leads to is fantasy, self-deception, and slavery.


Such is the problem with any pursuit of knowledge. Again, my intention is to balance my 'standard' views on the Holocaust with the revisionist stance. Moreover, I'm interested in what drives you, the revisionist, into pursuing the 'red pill.'

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Postby inmortals88 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:28 am)

moniker wrote:Such is the problem with any pursuit of knowledge. Again, my intention is to balance my 'standard' views on the Holocaust with the revisionist stance. Moreover, I'm interested in what drives you, the revisionist, into pursuing the 'red pill.'


I talk for my self. Some knowledge about wars, about evil in history of humanity, and lies as war propaganda being used since even before WWI. An hyper-exagerated evil side of Germans makes you think that not EVERYTHING in history books may be true. You become a revisionist as soon a you try to find what it is true and what not. You start from scratch, no prejudices. That's all. Besides, I just don't believe what does not make sense. And I should add...you have nothing to lose, or if you have (as Irving, Faurisson and many others) it's because you are a hero.

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Postby KostasL » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:50 am)

moniker wrote:
NovyMir wrote:Read the research available on this site and elsewhere. But first you need to make a choice:
http://www.arrod.co.uk/essays/matrix.php
And know it does not end here. It may never end.

Contrary to the writer's final comments, in the context of the Matrix, the blue pill will not lead to "conciousness", or truth, what it leads to is fantasy, self-deception, and slavery.


Such is the problem with any pursuit of knowledge. Again, my intention is to balance my 'standard' views on the Holocaust with the revisionist stance. Moreover, I'm interested in what drives you, the revisionist, into pursuing the 'red pill.'


If you saw that someone is lying to your friend or someone is stealing your neighbours or make a fool of your family, what would you do ?

Well, the holocaust story is something of much larger proportion.

Following is my initial post to this forum :
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4772

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Postby Vlad » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:15 am)


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Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:12 am)

Dear student- Your chances of getting a well rounded education in any country’s educational institutions, by reading any country’s national papers or by listening to any country’s main stream media are absolutely zero. No country will ever tell you the truth about itself or tell you anything that will damage the myths, legends, and false history about itself through its schools, media, books or movies. Why would they? Consequently the so-called democratic, capitalist countries, the communist countries, and the fascist countries and so on all have the above agents of propaganda designed to promote their own way. Religions do the same thing. Lying to one’s subjects is most important to a leader, political or religious, especially in countries or institutions that claim to be some form of a democracy, In such countries its people must be constantly conned into believing one thing or another. That's the way they all work.

Do you honestly think that a democracy will ever tell you of the horrors of a democracy, although it should be obvious to anyone that something has gone terribly wrong in the most powerful democracies of today? No of course not. They would rather tell you about the horrors of communism or the lies about terrorism.

This is certainly true about the holocaust. The holocaust is far too important to too many countries and to too many people to be made truthful. It is used, for example, to justify the senseless brutal WW2, the criminal bombing of Germany and Japan and all the wars before and after that time; it has helped in the creation of Israel and the destruction of the Palestinians; and it has helped create the war industry all over the world. This largest most powerful industry in the world that has made tens of thousands of people millionaires and hundreds of people billionaires and they won’t let you know the truth about anything that could stop them from being so.


If you want to learn the truth about anything it can sometimes be found in some books and often on the net. However if you do find it, be careful. The truth is such a powerful drug that it should only be given occasionally, in small doses and only to those whom it may benefit.
You can fool too many of the people most of the time.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:55 pm)

I am doing this debating of the jewish holocaust since quite a few years now.

Before that I was a believer, like most people. I had other problems, like earning a living and supporting a family.

Then I checked on the Internet about Auschwitz, and came across names like Zündel, Mark Weber and his IHR site, and Rudolf and his VHO site.

I then joined the old CODOH debating group, until it dissolved. And I greatly enjoyed taking part in those debates.

Then Hannover opened a simple holocaust debating site, which was later added to a site called http://www.air-photo.org/ and later opened his own CODOH.

Was he ever abused by believers. I have never come across anything like this.

The hoaxers need this abuse in order to survive with their holocaust philosophy, and they could not get at Hannover who banned them from participating debating by adding in his requirements:

• No name-calling, threats, or personal attacks; period.
• As The CODOH Revisionist Forum forbids any threats or personal attacks against others, we will not tolerate links to sites which do engage in such behavior. We're about debate and only debate.

What really happened to the jews from 1941 to 1945, who were allegedly arrested by the Nazis and shipped further East and did not come home I don't know.

At the beginning of 2004, about 1,092,000 Holocaust survivors were still living worldwide, about half of them in Israel. About 10 percent of survivors die each year, the report said.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/20/ ... ocaust.php

This would result in 4 to 5 million Jewish survivors in 1945

I am not a historian.
It would be suicidal to any historian in Germany who would question only in the slightest some aspects of the jewish holocaust. It would almost instantly result in the man loosing his job and possibly getting a long term in jail.

The German judiciary judges any holocaust criticism a worse crime than for example raping an eight year old girl.

This is in Germany enforced by the left wing media.

Interesting here is to read about the "Brainwashing the Germans" http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2008/03 ... e-germans/

Enough said for now.

Except that I am a strong believer and defender of the right to free speech, and Hannover and I and any other human is fully entitled to form and express his own opinion, right or wrong, without landing in some jail. Even if the jews don't like free speech.
The Holocaust hoaxsters exaggerate and embellish a 60+ year old event in order to abuse the Palestinians and rob them of their land, while claiming a free pass for their barbaric conduct on account of the "holocaust".

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:59 am)

Sailor:
The hoaxers need this abuse in order to survive with their holocaust philosophy, and they could not get at Hannover who banned them from participating debating by adding in his requirements:

• No name-calling, threats, or personal attacks; period.
• As The CODOH Revisionist Forum forbids any threats or personal attacks against others, we will not tolerate links to sites which do engage in such behavior. We're about debate and only debate.

Actually, they ban themselves by engaging in their usual hate tactics ... "name-calling, threats, or personal attacks", etc.

When they stand and actually debate, they lose decisively, it's no contest. I certainly applaud those that do debate in a civil manner, most of them do not however. After being debunked, most simply resort to the usual dirty tricks. That's too bad, it reveals a certain desperation on their part. And get this, they then ridiculously claim 'censorship'. Orwell would love it.

Only with the so called 'holocaust' are logic, science, rational thought, and common sense considered taboo.

The so called holocaust is "historical fact"? Hardly.

Thanks Sailor, Hannover
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