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My letter to David Irving

Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat May 31, 2008 11:39 pm)

Since I heard that Irving's thoughts on the holocaust have "evolved", I decided to write him a little note. Let's see if he answers.

Hi I'm currently reading Barbara Kulaszka's Did Six Million Really Die?: Report of the Evidence in the Canadian "False News" Trial of Ernst Zündel, 1988, where you figure prominently. Could you please say how your views on the holocaust have changed since that time and why.



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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:55 am)

friedrich braun wrote:Since I heard that Irving's thoughts on the holocaust have "evolved", I decided to write him a little note. Let's see if he answers.

Hi I'm currently reading Barbara Kulaszka's Did Six Million Really Die?: Report of the Evidence in the Canadian "False News" Trial of Ernst Zündel, 1988, where you figure prominently. Could you please say how your views on the holocaust have changed since that time and why.

Thanks,
FB


Please do not bother David Irving. He was sentenced to prison in Austria and did not want to spent too long in jail. We all know that he is one of us!
"Everything has already been said, but not yet by everyone." - Karl Valentin

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:47 am)

I'm sure David Irving can speak for himself. I think that it's a legitimate question, and he won't be bothered by the thought police while he tours the U.S.

We all know that he is one of us!


Not long ago there were threads on CODOH Forum asking us to boycott his books etc., it seems that a lot of people disagree with you. You can only speak for yourself.
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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:13 am)

Sorry I am on the road and cannot spare time to reply at length; go to I do not think I can provide much more in initial correspondence than you will find in my website.

First, have a look at the Auschwitz index on my website at

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz

You can see my real views about these camps from my diary when I visited them all in March 20007: start at

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2007/020307.html

You can of course quote anything you want for free and use the photos - let me know if you need high resolution versions.

You can also download all of my books free at

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books

perhaps have a look at the Introduction to my Hitler biography, which is at

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler

As for the famous Lipstadt ("Holocaust denial") trial, you will find all you need at these addresses on my website:

the "pleadings" are on my Lipstadt index at

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/index.html

Our "print" version of the adverse judgment is at

http://www.fpp.co.uk/judgment

or download it direct at this link

http://www.focal.org/lipstadt/judgment.pdf

The official html version of the judgment is (or was) at

http://wood.ccta.gov.uk/courtser/judgem ... irving.htm

but you will find my "print" version easier to follow as it is illustrated with many of the documents.

The daily transcripts are on my website at

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/

You may find our subsequent appeal pleadings of particular interest. We learned the negative result of our appeal on July 20, 2001: the appeal judgment is at

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/Appeal/judgment.html

Have a look also at the "print" version of my 5 hour closing speech which will tell you the rest; it is at http://www.fpp.co.uk/trial/closing/index.html (use the menu). It is fuller than the version actually spoken in Court as the Judge required me to trim out certain passages.

if you have specific questions, come back to me by email!


David Irving
(now on the road in the USA)
"The dead came back from Jerusalem, where they did not find what they were seeking."



"The Seven Sermons to the Dead"



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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:07 am)

Irving's strange maneuver shot down here:

Irving's 'holocaust' lite / but what '2.4 million document'?'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4548

'Irving attempts 'rehabilitation' via the Hoefle Telegram'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4558

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:10 pm)

Hannover wrote:Irving's strange maneuver shot down here:

Irving's 'holocaust' lite / but what '2.4 million document'?'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4548

'Irving attempts 'rehabilitation' via the Hoefle Telegram'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4558

- Hannover


He made it really easy for us (and the world). :D

Even St. Peter negated his belief (for a moment).
But Jesus forgave him.

I forgive Irving.
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Postby KostasL » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:17 pm)

David Irving paid for saying what he believed was true after many years of studying and researching.

He was rich, famous and honored for the good job he did as an historian.

After he was targeted from the Holocaust establishment, he became poor and notorious. What's more he was imprisoned.

HE who paid such a huge bill can throw the first stone on David Irving.

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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:04 am)

Claudia: We all know that he [Irving] is one of us!

Do we all? Men turn tail and make shipwreck of their lives for many reasons. Filthy lucre and false esteem being in the top ten.

Did Galileo modify his argument to get outta jail? Did he say perhaps, the earth goes round inside the sun, or perhaps the orbit is triangular? Because as sure as the earth goes round the sun; there was no holocaust.

Irving is NOT one of us, else he'd still be in jail, like the real men are.
There was no holocaust.

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Postby Agrarian Reformer » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:40 pm)

Even if he did make concessions to get out of jail--fine. But does he have to go twelve steps further by touring the world with his utter nonsense about 3 million (?) dead in the Reinhardt camps. I'm sure the powers-that-be can force a confession out of him, but a world tour? Something stinks.

Soon enough Mark Weber will be talking about the '3 million killed in the East.' If he's talking about holocaust revisionism at all.
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Postby Arrow Of Truth » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:11 pm)

I don't think his world tour will have him rolling in the millions. I think it even entails a slight degree of risk. I suspect he's being coerced in some fashion. As a grandfather there is a lot of latitude there for some agency to exert a coercive influence.

Regardless -- I've no particular hostility towards Irving. Maybe its because I'm just too fatigued to interpret the passions and sincerity of those whom partake by a twilight degree in the distorted discipline of holocaust history. His present positions are very bizarre from any angle.

Although I won't partake in a baying mob, as a historian, he has the moral obligation to respond in a forthright fashion to the questions that are put him. I expect him to discharge this obligation.

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:43 pm)

Kiwichap wrote:Claudia: We all know that he [Irving] is one of us!

Do we all? Men turn tail and make shipwreck of their lives for many reasons. Filthy lucre and false esteem being in the top ten.

Did Galileo modify his argument to get outta jail? Did he say perhaps, the earth goes round inside the sun, or perhaps the orbit is triangular? Because as sure as the earth goes round the sun; there was no holocaust.

Irving is NOT one of us, else he'd still be in jail, like the real men are.

I am so proud that I write in a forum together with a hero like you.

(btw: what is the name of the prison where you are jailed?)
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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:10 pm)

Hey Claudia, being a martyr for the truth is my big ambition. Its not through lack of trying that I'm not in jail. I do my best. Perhaps, unlike Irving, I am incorrigible, with very little chance of rehabilitation.

And yet we are all in holocaustian clink Claudia. When did you last get a letter to the editor of your local paper published, or any paper, concerning the nonsense of the holo thing? Irving, like Rudolf, Zundel et al, had his opportunity big time. He blew it! He lied to get outta jail. The very words that turned the key were: The Germans murdered Jews by the thousands.

Lets weigh it up. Imprisoned for the truth, or a world tour full of lies.

Yeah; Battleship Auschwitz got one last last shot off before she went down, and shes taking Irving with her.
There was no holocaust.



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Postby diaz52 » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:59 pm)

For those who have ill will for David Irving, for the compromises with the truth hes made, consider this: All the establishment thought-police has to say while your in jail unable to protect the ones you love is the following:

"So, David, you have a daughter, correct? She's very cute... It'd be a pity if something should happen to her..."

If such a thing happened, and such a comment was made about your daughter, or your wife, or your mother, or any other member of your family, I'd imagine you'd do whatever you need to do to get out and to get the heat off your family and to be there to protect those you care about.

Of course I have no idea if this actually happened, but we need to keep in mind that the compromises he's made may not necessarily be to save his neck, but for the benefit of those he loves, and for those for whom he is responsible.

That doesn't excuse him, but its understandable and something to keep in mind.
-You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
-The establishment can't control the web, and the control of information through all means but one, is no control at all.

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Postby ps » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:31 pm)

I agree with you to 417%. It is sky further a difference whether one is responsible for itself only or for its family. That is " the only one Argument" , which can break one.
We must always realize that we have to do it with an absolutely unscrupulous opponent.

"sky further"= himmelweit

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Postby KostasL » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:06 am)

diaz52 wrote:For those who have ill will for David Irving, for the compromises with the truth hes made, consider this: All the establishment thought-police has to say while your in jail unable to protect the ones you love is the following:

"So, David, you have a daughter, correct? She's very cute... It'd be a pity if something should happen to her..."

If such a thing happened, and such a comment was made about your daughter, or your wife, or your mother, or any other member of your family, I'd imagine you'd do whatever you need to do to get out and to get the heat off your family and to be there to protect those you care about.

Of course I have no idea if this actually happened, but we need to keep in mind that the compromises he's made may not necessarily be to save his neck, but for the benefit of those he loves, and for those for whom he is responsible.

That doesn't excuse him, but its understandable and something to keep in mind.


Remember false confessions made by Germans after the war ?


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