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Racism : Germany and the world, 1933-1939.

Postby KostasL » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:12 pm)

If one wants to be fair in his judgement of the Nazi regime and the German people, must consider how the world was, at that period.

We cannot judge with modern standards obviously.

People, including me, tend to criticise (or even demonize) the Nazi regime for racism.
So it might be interesting to compare between Germany and the Allies regarding racism.


Let's consider :

How was situation before 1933 for Jewish people in Germany?
How was it between 1933-1939?

What was the situation for black people in the USA during the same periods?

What was the situation in French or British colonies during the same periods?

So, people just post here expressing your opinion and post any additional info. This is a very strong revisionist point. Was German racism unique ?

As situation in Germany is well known let's emphasise in the USA, UK and France.
When you realize that the Holocaust is a LIE, then all of a sudden, ALL your questions, ALL bizarre and strange things, disappear, and ALL things make sense, at last.

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:13 am)

Talking about Nazi Germany Racism and colonies:
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Things are a bit different then the impression that is being created.

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Postby Lupa » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:04 am)

Hektor wrote:Talking about Nazi Germany Racism and colonies:
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Things are a bit different then the expression that is being created.


The guys you see in the Photo are members of "Schutztruppe Deutsch-Südwest-Afrika", easily to see by the tipical hat. The coloured guy is one of the famous "Askaris" who fought the British under the Imperial flag from 1914 to 1918.

Who of the guys is Paul von Lettow?

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Here the troops:

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:00 am)

Lupa wrote:
Who of the guys is Paul von Lettow?

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Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck, never associated himself with the Nazi party & was distrusted by Hitler, So he'd hardly be caught wearing a Hackenkreuz.
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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:17 am)

Back to the topic at hand.

I don't believe Germany was any more racist than any other White European Nation at that time, including America with all it's Segregation Laws in the South which lasted well into the 1960's it's Ludicrous to suggest otherwise.


from the Army War College Handbook. This is advice to white officers in command of black troops.

'As an individual, the Negro is docile, tractable, lighthearted, carefree and good-natured. If unjustly treated he is likely to become surly and stubborn, though this is usually a temporary phase. He is careless, shiftless, irresponsible and secretive. He resents censure and is best handled by praise than ridicule. He is unmoved and untruthful, and his sense of right-doing is relatively inferior.'
Wir brauchen eine Bewegung, die Deutschland endlich aus der Kontrolle der Kräfte von Versailles und Jalta befreit, die uns schon ein ganzes Jahrhundert lang von einer Kastastrophe in die andere stürzt.



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Postby Lupa » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:29 am)

MrNobody wrote:Back to the topic at hand.

I don't believe Germany was any more racist than any other White European Nation at that time, including America with all it's Segregation Laws in the South which lasted well into the 1960's it's Ludicrous to suggest otherwise.


from the Army War College Handbook. This is advice to white officers in command of black troops.

'As an individual, the Negro is docile, tractable, lighthearted, carefree and good-natured. If unjustly treated he is likely to become surly and stubborn, though this is usually a temporary phase. He is careless, shiftless, irresponsible and secretive. He resents censure and is best handled by praise than ridicule. He is unmoved and untruthful, and his sense of right-doing is relatively inferior.'


You are right, the guy on the right side, wearing the svastika on the arm is definitely not Paul von Lettow.
Paul von Lettow had a much better opinion about his african comrades than the discription done in the army handbook you show.

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:30 am)

I should have stated, that it is from the US Army War College Handbook & was as issued prior too & during WWII. :wink:

The other thing the photo shows is that nearly all the members are veterans of the South West African Colony, not German East Africa, the Sudwester Hat is the key

South West Africa had a blue Border & Band for the Hat while the Cameroons had Red & German East Africa was White, only the gentleman on the far right (bottom photo) shows this.
Note also that the portrait on Lettow-Vorbeck shows this too.
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Postby Lupa » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:58 am)

South West Africa had a blue Border & Band for the Hat while the Cameroons had Red & German East Africa was White, only the gentleman on the far right (bottom photo) shows this.


You are right, I didn´t care about the colour of the border of the hat.
Only the gentlemen on the right side , bottom photo , is from the Lettow-troops.

I think that Germany between 1933 and 1945 , with the exception made for the special laws to jews, was not more or less racist that the other european countries.

One has to see the mixture of nationalities and skin colours fighting in the SS, for example.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:06 am)

The same can be said for homosexuality.

Regardless of unsupportable claims, there is no proof whatsoever that anyone was executed in Germany for being homosexual, none.

The German laws at the time were very much like most of the world's. And I'm sure they were much more tolerant than what would have been seen in Latin America or Africa.

Notice how the 'racism & homophobia' canard has now been entwined with the 'holocaust' nonsense. There's no business like shoah business.

The homosexuals canard debunked here, I've thrown in the Gypsies lie as well:

The Myth of a Nazi Extermination of Homosexuals by Jack Wikoff
http://www.cwporter.com/homo.htm

'Gypsies and Homosexuals in the Camps'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1894

homosexuals - Yad Vashem mistake? - Or is the Prof a Denier?
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1930

the Gypsy 'extermination' Big Lie debunked
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1744

Mattogno and the Gypsies
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=289

Gypsy charade at Auschwitz
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1273

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Postby NovyMir » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:40 pm)

Just check out the American eugenics movement. Funded by the tax-exempt foundations and super-rich individuals.
I am not convinced the "jews" are a race anyways. Which eliminates the idea of racism all together. They are a tribe or religion.
Then there's the concept of "anti-semitism", another word-game. Semitic is about a regional language, not race.

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Postby Mortimer » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:12 am)

Downunder had the White Australia Policy which was designed to keep out Asiatics solely because of their race. Aborigines did not receive citizenship until over 20 years after the war ended as the result of a 1967 referendum.

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:31 am)

Mortimer wrote:Downunder had the White Australia Policy which was designed to keep out Asiatics solely because of their race. Aborigines did not receive citizenship until over 20 years after the war ended as the result of a 1967 referendum.
Do you have sources for these statements. Especially the one concerning citizenship of aborigines would be of interest.

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:21 am)

Hektor wrote:Do you have sources for these statements.


Do scans of the original documents count?

http://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/item.asp?dID=16

read the rest here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:02 am)

Lupa wrote:
South West Africa had a blue Border & Band for the Hat while the Cameroons had Red & German East Africa was White, only the gentleman on the far right (bottom photo) shows this.


You are right, I didn´t care about the colour of the border of the hat.
Only the gentlemen on the right side , bottom photo , is from the Lettow-troops.

I think that Germany between 1933 and 1945 , with the exception made for the special laws to jews, was not more or less racist that the other european countries....
While more background on the pictures is interesting (What troops they were), I used them to demonstrate something that can obviously seen on them without further special knowledge.

1.) There are swastika flags hanging all over the place. So the pictures must have been from the time between 1933 - 1945.
2.) All people on the picture including the negro wear swastika batches.
3.) It seems that the fotos have been taken on some kind of veteran meeting to which the Negro was invited as well.

The pictures prove beyond reasonable doubt that the belief that the National Socialists were hostile against people of other race then German/Aryan is a false one.

The picture also implies that Negroes that served in the German Protectorates were actually even welcome as visitors in the Germany ruled by the National Socialists.

I'd be interested if the colonial troops still got state pensions from the National Socialist State. Furthermore it would be good to know, whether Jews got their pensions or not. The claim is sometimes made that they didn't

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Postby Lupa » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:56 am)

Hektor wrote:I'd be interested if the colonial troops still got state pensions from the National Socialist State. Furthermore it would be good to know, whether Jews got their pensions or not. The claim is sometimes made that they didn't


No, the colonial troops once dismanteled in 1918 which remained in Africa didn´t recieve any pension by the National Socialist State. The germans which fought in Africa and returned to Germany yes.

There is a precious anecdote about the pensions.

Von-Lettow , when he surrendered to Jan Smuts with his 155 german Schutztruppen and more than 3000 Askaris on november 23d 1918 , promised a pension from the German Empire to his Askaris. Nevertheless during the Weimar Republic that promise could not be held. Also it was not held from the National Socialist State.
After the war von Lettow tried to convince the government of the federal Republic of Germany , to pay the promised pension to the Askaris.
But it was not possible until the death of Paul von Lettow in 1964.

Then a secretary of state took over the case and went to Dar es Salaam to organize the payment. 46 years after the surrender in 1918.

The problem was how to identify the beneficiaries of the pension.

They put a public offer to the surviving Askaris to present themselves on the central market place in Dar es Salaam , if possible with the Military-ID issued by von Lettow in 1918. As one can imagine, nobody had conserved that ID-card.

So the state secretary found himself in front of approx 300 simpatic negroes of advanced age but with no way to find out if he stays in front of the remains of the Askaris.

His adjudant, solved the problem.

He made the guys form in front of him and started to shout german orders of military instruction!

The guys followed the orders the same way they did 50 years earlier with the same perfection as it would do the members of the imperial guard.

That was the test to give them the pension.

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