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Why Auschwitz Needs to Become History

Postby teapreacher » 1 decade 2 months ago (Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:22 am)

George Pitcher in the Daily Telegraph argues in favour of opening up the Holocaust debate - even so far as allowing "denier" viewpoints to be openly aired!

Here's the article....
It is indeed shocking that so many British schoolchildren don't know what Auschwitz was and still remains. A survey has just shown that some 20 children in 1,000 think it's a brand of beer, with another 10 opting for it being a type of bread. If these figures are grossed up, it means that around 90,000 of our 11-16-year-old schoolchildren would expect to order a pint of Auschwitz in a bar when they turn 18.

But I'm afraid it's not shocking in the way that many of those who rightly demand that we memorialise the Holocaust would wish it to be. I quite understand the motives of the "Never Forget" lobby. But the brutal truth is that as first-hand witnesses to the Holocaust disappear and as we move deeper into the 21st century, the Nazis' nearly successful attempt to exterminate European Jewry some 70 years ago is moving into the history books. That is understandable. But what is really shocking is how badly taught modern history is in our schools.

I must say that those who commissioned this survey may not be helping to improve matters. Miramax and the London Jewish Cultural Centre have published the survey's results to co-incide with the DVD release of the movie The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas, which is admittedly an allegorical treatment of the subject but which is also a mawkish and entirely inaccurate portrayal of the Holocaust in historical terms.

I'm not saying this film isn't without value. But what I am saying is that we need to ensure that one of the most totemic events of the darkest history of the 20th century needs to be properly taught in schools. It is already on the National Curriculum as a subject that must be taught, but clearly not yet taught well enough. I might add that we are now moving into a generation where we can be less protective about the subject matter. Holocaust denial, its motives and its proponents, also need to be taught, not only because of the warnings from history that they offer, but also because our children's children are understandably going to demand that no part of our common history can be ring-fenced from scrutiny. The best way to knock down Holocaust denial is to study it and our children need to make their own minds up as to why the views of Holocaust deniers such as Bishop Richard Willamson don't stand up.
One has to be careful about saying anything comparative in relation to the Holocaust. But other subjects are also woefully taught. Another Jewish story, but one that has moved beyond the auspice of Judaism, is the one that we will commemorate at Easter in a few weeks' time. I make no case for it to be taught as history (though some Christians would), but it is nevertheless also worrying that surveys have shown that significant numbers of schoolchildren believe that the Easter bunny played a role on the crucifixion and that Jesus brought us Easter eggs.

The real worry is that epoch-making events are not being taught well, and in some cases not at all, in our schools. When we say that events such as the Holocaust are moving into history, that should not sound like a dismissal or a diminution of it, far less anything motivated by anti-semitism, but should be a confirmation that we are confident of locking it into our children's consciousness as one of those lessons that went before them that they must fully understand.


Source: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/george_pit ... me_history

There's a comments section which could become quite interesting should some of the informed posters here decide to participate.

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Postby Malle » 1 decade 2 months ago (Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:33 pm)

teapreacher wrote:There's a comments section which could become quite interesting should some of the informed posters here decide to participate.


I found this snippet on the comments section:
After all it was Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin who said the following to the Knesset "Our race is the master race. We Jews are divine Gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves".


Can anyone here confirm this? :shock:
I must be a mushroom - because everyone keeps me in the dark and feeds me with lots of bullshit.

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Postby Vlad » 1 decade 2 months ago (Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:22 pm)

That's an obvious fabrication. The source usually given is Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
On June 8, 1982, Begin addressed the Knesset in response to a no-confidence motion over Israel's invasion of Lebanon. He talked about defending the children of Israel, and according to a June 9, 1982 AP report, “his voice quaver[ed] with anger and sadness.” According to the minutes of the session, Begin stated:

The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.

Kapeliouk actually wrote:
For this reason the [Israeli] government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".

http://camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7 ... rticle=775

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Postby Malle » 1 decade 2 months ago (Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:44 pm)

Vlad wrote:That's an obvious fabrication. The source usually given is Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982.


Agreed. Even if he was thinking this in private, I don’t believe he would have been so stupid that he would say this in public.

I did some research on this and what you say is correct, all quotations comes from Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982. :wink:
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