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12 years for Horst Mahler

Postby Occam's Razor » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:11 am)

In april 2008 Horst Mahler was convicted by a court in Erding, Bavaria, to 10 months for statements he gave in an interview to jewish lawyer and journalist Michel Friedman. In this interview, after Mahler had greeted Friedman with 'Heil Hitler, Herr Friedman', Mahler made several comments about jews and the holocaust which are illegal in Germany.

On February 11, 2009, a court in Landshut confirmed the verdict.

On February 25 Mahler gets a jail term of six years for publicly 'denying' the holocaust.

On March 11 a court in Potsdam sentenced Mahler to 5 years and two months, again for 'denying the holocaust' on numerous occasions:

Neo-Nazi in Germany gets new jail term for denying Holocaust
Yet another court found Horst Mahler guilty of denying the Holocaust on numerous occasions, which is a crime in Germany.
Potsdam -- A German court slapped another five-year prison term on a neo-Nazi for denying the Holocaust Wednesday, after a separate court sentenced him to six years on the same charges.
The two sentences would be served concurrently.
Lawyers for 73-year-old Horst Mahler, who was immediately incarcerated, said they would appeal the new five-year-two-month sentence.
Judges in Potsdam, near Berlin, found Mahler guilty of denying the Holocaust on numerous occasions, which is a crime in Germany.
A co-founder of the militant far-left Red Army Faction (RAF) in the 1970s, Mahler later swung violently far-right, vehemently disputing that Nazis had systematically slaughtered six million European Jews during World War II.
Last month, a court in Munich sentenced Mahler to six years in jail for calling the Holocaust "the biggest lie in history."
He was also found to have sent offensive CD-ROMs and a book by convicted Holocaust denier Germar Rudolf through the mail.
Mahler was a member of the most radical extreme-right party in Germany, the NPD, between 2000 and 2003 before quitting because he found it "outdated."
He has a string of convictions, including for crimes dating back to his time with the RAF, which carried out a bloody campaign against the West German government.
Last April, he was convicted for giving a Hitler salute to a Jewish journalist in an interview and denying the Holocaust.
He has also praised the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States and has accused Jews of seeking "world domination."
AFP/Expatica

source:
http://www.expatica.com/de/news/local_news/Neo_Nazi-in-Germany-gets-new-jail-term-for-denying-Holocaust_50519.html

This is the only source I could find in English.
Here are a few sources in German:

http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/:Volksverhetzung-Weitere-Gef%E4ngnisstrafe-Horst-Mahler/657555.html

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub594835B672714A1DB1A121534F010EE1/Doc~E51AABA5AE20542F0A120EC73FB44070E~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

http://www.rp-online.de/public/article/panorama/deutschland/683483/Rechtsextremist-Mahler-poebelt-vor-Gericht.html

http://www.morgenpost.de/brandenburg/article1052863/Rechtsextremist_Mahler_erneut_zu_Haftstrafe_verurteilt.html

http://www.focus.de/panorama/vermischtes/mahler-erneute-haftstrafe-fuer-mahler-wegen-holocaust-leugnung_aid_379438.html


10 months + 6 years + 5 years, 2 months = 12 years

12 years for an opinion. In an alleged free country, a western democracy.

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Postby Halo » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:18 pm)

The current german regime wont last another 12 years. The crisis will finish it off.

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Postby PotPie » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:46 pm)

Halo wrote:The current german regime wont last another 12 years. The crisis will finish it off.


Why would it?

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:41 am)

PotPie wrote:
Halo wrote:The current german regime wont last another 12 years. The crisis will finish it off.


Why would it?


Because no matter what catchy names you toss at it, TARP, TALF, FDIC or PPPIP it amounts to the same thing, robbing the worker base of $11.4 Trillion to prop up the Bankrupt Banks & their Owners who got us into this mess in the first place, it amounts to nothing more than a Band Aid over a Sucking Chest Wound & that's just the US.

Under these schemes, the government will loan money to hedge funds and other speculators to buy toxic waste from the banks, with the provision that the loans will not have to be paid back if the deals are not profitable.

A private buyer would pay $84 to buy loans with a face value of $100, but the government would cover $78 of that, leaving the buyer to pay only $6, the catch is that it has been estimated that the real "Face Value" of these Loans is actually around the $30 mark, so in fact they won't make any profit & the Government will have to compensate them for the 3% they tossed into the pot to buy these toxic assets in the first place.

How ironic it is that the Speculators/Bankers buying Hedge Funds, Futures etc are the ones who got us into this mess & now we are pleading with them to buy even more using 97% of our Tax Revenue!

How did we get to the point where "Speculators" were able to short sell stock they never owned in the first place & why are we being asked to pay for it?

The world’s annual global production or total revenues is currently around $50 trillion. However, the world’s debt stands at $350 trillion.

In fact the Value of the Word's physical assets aren't even enough to pay off the Debt.

This "Crisis" is worse than the collapse of the "House of Bardi" in the 14th Century which decimated the population of Europe by 50%.

The Solution is simple, Give back to the individual Nations the right to issue their own Credit, reintroduce Market Protection, Regulate the Stock Exchange & write off this paper Debt.

oh & hang a couple hundred "Speculator/Bankers" & Politicians in each country for good measure.
Wir brauchen eine Bewegung, die Deutschland endlich aus der Kontrolle der Kräfte von Versailles und Jalta befreit, die uns schon ein ganzes Jahrhundert lang von einer Kastastrophe in die andere stürzt.

Helga Zepp-LaRouche.

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:19 pm)

Concurrently means concurring or operating at the same time. But it doesn't matter since it's a life sentence for him.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/concurrently

The BRD is a masochist, self-loathing, illiberal, neurotic dystopia and not a normal country. It's a surreal place that gives medals to traitors and builds statues to them. Conversely, it imprisons it's patriots. Perhaps the Germans are collectively unworthy of men such as Mahler? A man who has spent a good part of his life defending Germans only to be spat upon by them. What does it says about Germans if they're tolerating such a state of affairs? Such a tyranny?

A nation of spineless cowards.

Occam's Razor wrote:In april 2008 Horst Mahler was convicted by a court in Erding, Bavaria, to 10 months for statements he gave in an interview to jewish lawyer and journalist Michel Friedman. In this interview, after Mahler had greeted Friedman with 'Heil Hitler, Herr Friedman', Mahler made several comments about jews and the holocaust which are illegal in Germany.

On February 11, 2009, a court in Landshut confirmed the verdict.

On February 25 Mahler gets a jail term of six years for publicly 'denying' the holocaust.

On March 11 a court in Potsdam sentenced Mahler to 5 years and two months, again for 'denying the holocaust' on numerous occasions:

Neo-Nazi in Germany gets new jail term for denying Holocaust
Yet another court found Horst Mahler guilty of denying the Holocaust on numerous occasions, which is a crime in Germany.
Potsdam -- A German court slapped another five-year prison term on a neo-Nazi for denying the Holocaust Wednesday, after a separate court sentenced him to six years on the same charges.
The two sentences would be served concurrently.
Lawyers for 73-year-old Horst Mahler, who was immediately incarcerated, said they would appeal the new five-year-two-month sentence.
Judges in Potsdam, near Berlin, found Mahler guilty of denying the Holocaust on numerous occasions, which is a crime in Germany.
A co-founder of the militant far-left Red Army Faction (RAF) in the 1970s, Mahler later swung violently far-right, vehemently disputing that Nazis had systematically slaughtered six million European Jews during World War II.
Last month, a court in Munich sentenced Mahler to six years in jail for calling the Holocaust "the biggest lie in history."
He was also found to have sent offensive CD-ROMs and a book by convicted Holocaust denier Germar Rudolf through the mail.
Mahler was a member of the most radical extreme-right party in Germany, the NPD, between 2000 and 2003 before quitting because he found it "outdated."
He has a string of convictions, including for crimes dating back to his time with the RAF, which carried out a bloody campaign against the West German government.
Last April, he was convicted for giving a Hitler salute to a Jewish journalist in an interview and denying the Holocaust.
He has also praised the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States and has accused Jews of seeking "world domination."
AFP/Expatica

source:
http://www.expatica.com/de/news/local_news/Neo_Nazi-in-Germany-gets-new-jail-term-for-denying-Holocaust_50519.html

This is the only source I could find in English.
Here are a few sources in German:

http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/:Volksverhetzung-Weitere-Gef%E4ngnisstrafe-Horst-Mahler/657555.html

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub594835B672714A1DB1A121534F010EE1/Doc~E51AABA5AE20542F0A120EC73FB44070E~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

http://www.rp-online.de/public/article/panorama/deutschland/683483/Rechtsextremist-Mahler-poebelt-vor-Gericht.html

http://www.morgenpost.de/brandenburg/article1052863/Rechtsextremist_Mahler_erneut_zu_Haftstrafe_verurteilt.html

http://www.focus.de/panorama/vermischtes/mahler-erneute-haftstrafe-fuer-mahler-wegen-holocaust-leugnung_aid_379438.html


10 months + 6 years + 5 years, 2 months = 12 years

12 years for an opinion. In an alleged free country, a western democracy.
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Postby Halo » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:11 pm)

Agree Friedrich.

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Postby Occam's Razor » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:32 pm)

friedrich braun wrote:
Concurrently means concurring or operating at the same time. But it doesn't matter since it's a life sentence for him.


Yes, I was aware that there was a contradiction between my headline and this sentence in the article I cited, but I wrote it anyway, because of the following reasons:

This is the first time that a newspaper wrote that the sentences could be combined, most other newspapers didn't write about this possibillity.
I have not seen a confirnation that this will actually happen.
Technically he is still convicted to 12 years for denying the holocaust. Different courts independently convicted him, albeit for seperate instances of his 'denial crimes'.


friedrich braun wrote:
The BRD is a masochist, self-loathing, illiberal, neurotic dystopia and not a normal country.

Well, think about what happened to Germany during and after the war. Millions of Germans tortured, raped, expelled, large parts of Germany annexed by other countries, Germany divided, show trials, basically all noteworthy German cities looked like a moonscape, and then after the war the continuing propaganda of the media and the brainwashing-ideology of the Frankfurt School in schools and universities aka reeducation. If such a treatment doesn't turn a nation into a neurotic wreck, what else?


friedrich braun wrote:
It's a surreal place that gives medals to traitors and builds statues to them. Conversely, it imprisons it's patriots.


It is surreal, but if you realize how this works it's easy to understand this situation. The Allies did the same thing they did with Iraq. They cooperated with the enemies of the Nazis. Divide et impera. The two big parties in Germany, the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Christian Democrats (CDU) were former enemies of the Nazis. They were more or less repressed and marginalized in the Third Reich. The Allies offered them to regain their lost elite status if they cooperated. That is the reason why it is in the interest of the big established political parties and of the German elites in general to condemn the Nazis, stress the atrocious character of the Nazis and suppress revisionism. Their whole legitimation is built upon the current interpretation of WWII history. If the revisionists can convince the public that they are right, that there was no holocaust, no gas chambers, no plan to kill all jews, then the CDU, the SPD, all left-wing-parties and the German elites lose their legitimation. It's a real threat to them. However, I don't think that they consciously know that. I am convinced that the vast majority of the German elites, even at the highest level, sincerely believe in the holocaust. But unconsciously they know that the holocaust story supports their power status. The traitors you mentioned are the heroes of the German elites. Literally. They were basically on the same side during and after the war. They sold their country for power.


friedrich braun wrote:
Perhaps the Germans are collectively unworthy of men such as Mahler? A man who has spent a good part of his life defending Germans only to be spat upon by them. What does it says about Germans if they're tolerating such a state of affairs? Such a tyranny?

A nation of spineless cowards.


Mahler is even controversial among those that the press like to refer to as Neo-Nazis. And they are probably the only group that takes notice of Mahler's activities.
He's constantly talking about the philosophy of Hegel and how Hegel's philosophy can explain everything and is the answer to the whole situation. I guess even most of his followers don't know what he's talking about. He's definitely highly intelligent, but he alienates a lot of people with his strange ideas. And he likes to provoke the elites with things like the Hitler salute or threatening judges with death sentences for treason when the German Reich and it's constitution has been reestablished. Not exactly a diplomatic approach. He openly stresses that he is an antisemite, though according to him not because he hates jews, but because they are the enemies of the people of the world. He has a somewhat strange theory that the jews are a part of god's plan, so they cannot be evil per se. Another one of his theories that alienate a lot of people. On the other hand, yes, he has dedicated his life to the German people, just like Ernst Zundel. And he's absolutely determinded. I guess you cannot be more determinded than Horst Mahler. And since he's a lawyer who has defended holocaust revisionists, and therefore had to study revisionist literature very thoroughly, he is absolutely familiar with revisionist research. I guess that's the best insurance to be determined in this case.

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Postby Halo » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:36 pm)

Very interesting read Occam's Razor.


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