Hektor wrote: Germania wrote: Turpitz wrote:
i think Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor are well known sites.
Are they now?
Maybe you can show me why I should think "2.4 million" were murdered here then?
Go on, I dare you!
this is easy, there is plenty of evidence. For example, goverment official Goebbels noted on 27 march 1942:
Where did he mention that - In his type-written diaries? What's your proof for them being authentic documents?
the Goebbels diaries have been studied by historians for years and there is no reason to doubt their authentic. however to satisfy you, the authenticity of the plates of the diaries is a proven fact:
"The tests included tests by Dr David Baxendale and Dr Audrey Giles, forensic document analysts; by Pilkington Group Analytical services, on the glass plates; and by Kodak photographic laboratories on the emulsion. After these experts authenticated the glass microfiche plates
the plates were without exception returned safely and undamaged to the custody of the Moscow archives on or before July 3, 1992."http://fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/Reply/5.html#a56
Germania wrote:"Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said about 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 percent can be used for forced labor."
Did Goebbels write in English? That sounds like the private oppinion of someone that's not very fond of Jews, since it doesn't say that someone from the government has ordered to kill all the Jews.
the statement by this goverment official is very clear - 60% of the Jews in the Generalgouvernement will be liquidated. and since it wouldn't be possible for the police to this without order from the goverment,it implies this was already ordered by the goverment.
Germania wrote:he also mentions that the former Gauleiter of vienna is in charge of this operation, who is no other than globocnik who was in charge of Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor. so according to this goverment official the jews were to be liquidated in Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor.
Where does he mention that?
I quote further from the diary entry:
"Der ehemalige Gauleiter von Wien
, der diese Aktion durchführt, tut das mit ziemlicher Umsicht und auch mit einem Verfahren, das nicht allzuauffällig wirkt."
here is the picture of Globocnik as Gauleiter:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... bocnik.jpg
and here is Hitlers thank you to Globocnik for carrying out Aktion Reinhardt:
I acknowledge your letter of 11-4-43 and your report about the end of 'Operation Reinhardt.' In addition, I thank you for the attached files. I acknowledge your great and unique service in accomplishing 'Operation Reinhardt' for the glory of the whole German Nation. My thanks and appreciation.
http://www.istrianet.org/istria/history ... ik-bio.htm
another interesting detail is,that Globocnik was provided men for his operation Reinhardt by Brack,who was in charge of Euthanasia:
"Ich habe den Brigadeführer G l o b o c n i k auf Anweisung von Reichsleiter Bouhler für die Durchführung seiner Sonderaufgaben schon vor längerer Zeit einen Teil meiner Männer zur verfügung gestellt. Aufgrund einer erneuten Bitte von ihm habe ich nunmehr weiteres Personal abgestellt. Bei dieser Gelegenheit vertrat Brigadeführer Globocnik die Auffassung, die ganze Judenaktion so schnell wie nur irgend möglich durchzuführen, damit man nicht eines Tages mitten drin steckenbliebe, wenn irgendwelche Schwierigkeiten ein Abstoppen der Aktion notwendig machen. Sie selbst, Reichsführer, haben mir gegenüber seinerzeit schon die Meinung geäußert, dass man schon aus Gründen der Tarnung so schnell wie möglich arbeiten müsse."
(letter Brack to Himmler, 23 June 1942)
on the other hand, Brack was also in charge of developing homicidal gassing devices:
"With reference to my letter of October 18, 1941, this is to inform you that Oberdienstleiter Brack of the Führer Chancellery
has agreed to collaborate in the production of the required shelters and gassing devices
. At this time, the envisaged devices are not available in sufficient quantity; they will first have to be manufactured. Since in Brack's opinion, the manufacture of the devices in the Reich will cause much greater difficulties than doing it on the spot, Brack considers it most expedient to send his people to Riga, especially his chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, who will effect all further steps there. Oberdienstleiter Brack points out that the procedure in question is not without danger, so that special protective measures are necessary. In these circumstances, I request that you address yourself to Oberdienstleiter Brack in the Führer Chancellery through your Higher SS and Police Leader and request the dispatch of the chemist Kallmeyer and other assistants. I should inform you that Sturmbannführer Eichmann, the expert for the Jewish Question in the RSHA is entirely in agreement with this process. According to information from Sturmbannführer Eichmann, camps for Jews are to be set up in Riga and Minsk, to which Jews from the Old Reich territory may also come. At this time, Jews are being evacuated out of the Old Reich to Litzmannstadt (Lodz), and also other camps, to then later be used for labour in the east insofar as they are capable of work.
As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy
. In this way, events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can hardly be excused, will no longer be possible. On the other hand, those capable of work will be transported for labour in the east. It goes without saying that the male and female Jews capable of work will be kept apart."
So lets recapitulate:
we have Globocnik in charge of Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Operation Reinhardt, who was given assistance by men from Brack, who were killing specialists with gas. then we have the Höfle radio message noting that 1274166 people have been poured into Globocniks camps in 1942. then we have goverment official Goebbels noting that Globocnik's operation means the liquidation of 60% of the jews in the generalgouvernement.
so just add 1 + 1 together and you see the nature of the Reinhardt camps.