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Is the internet doomed?

Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:18 pm)

I cannot help thinking the internet is a frightening thing for corrupt politicians to deal with. So I am wondering how long it will be before they pull the plug. The industry must know the threat of the internet to their lies.

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The European open internet is under imminent threat
URGENT - VOTING IN EU PARLIAMENT 5th of MAY 2009
Don't let the EU parliament lock up the Internet! There will be no way back!


Act now!
Internet access is not conditional

Everyone who owns a website has an interest in defending the free use of Internet... so has everyone who uses Google or Skype... everyone who expresses their opinions freely, does research of any kind, whether for personal health problems or academic study ... everyone who shops online...who dates online...socialises online... listens to music...watches video...

Millions of Europeans now depend on the Internet, directly or indirectly, for their livelihood. Taking it away, chopping it up, ‘restricting it', ‘limiting it' and placing conditions on our use of it, will have a direct impact on people's earnings. And in the current financial climate, that can't be good.


The internet as we know it is at risk because of proposed new EU rules going through end of April. Under the proposed new rules, broadband providers will be legally able to limit the number of websites you can look
at, and to tell you whether or not you are allowed to use particular services. It will be dressed up as ‘new consumer options' which people can choose from. People will be offered TV-like packages - with a limited
number of options for you to access.




http://www.blackouteurope.eu/

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Postby themind » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:10 pm)

hmm, might as well move to china then :roll: there censorship is for the good of its people apparently :roll:

if only I had the money, I would abandon the UK and Europe and move to asia
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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:31 pm)

No matter what they do, people will find there way around it.

If this goes the way the article is suggesting then I suspect Tor networks will become very popular & profitable.
Wir brauchen eine Bewegung, die Deutschland endlich aus der Kontrolle der Kräfte von Versailles und Jalta befreit, die uns schon ein ganzes Jahrhundert lang von einer Kastastrophe in die andere stürzt.

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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:31 pm)

Turpitz wrote:It will be dressed up as ‘new consumer options' which people can choose from.


How in heaven will they be able to dress up less consumer options as new consumer options?
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Postby themind » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:42 pm)

ASMarques wrote:
Turpitz wrote:It will be dressed up as ‘new consumer options' which people can choose from.


How in heaven will they be able to dress up less consumer options" as new consumer options?


I dunno, but i can sort of hear it now

salesperson: Well this package will protect you from any racist sites such as the BNP, white supremest sites etc

this package will block out any pornographic website and anything of sexual nature, which is good if you have kids around
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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:58 am)

How in heaven will they be able to dress up less consumer options as new consumer options?


I don't know, but I think it has already started in Australia. A censorship scheme that has no opt out option. Once they implement it, it will be the thin edge of the wedge.


this package will block out any pornographic website and anything of sexual nature, which is good if you have kids around


That is right. pretend they are protecting your interests again -- look what we're doing for society?

I think ISP's in Britain, now have to track users habit's and keep records for the government to build profiles from.

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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:51 am)

themind wrote:hmm, might as well move to china then :roll: there censorship is for the good of its people apparently :roll:

if only I had the money, I would abandon the UK and Europe and move to asia


I understand your revulsion at the censorship-ridden German-Jewish dominated E.U., and even at Britain's peculiar brand of "soft totalitarianism"...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... public_rss

... but I take the "good of the Chinese people" as a joke. Besides, China, together with most Islamic countries is very much among the main spearheads for the development of global Internet control:
http://icrontic.com/news/un-researching ... -anonymity
http://www.ihipo.com/index.php?q=group/ ... r+Tracking

My take is we'll hold on as long as the US Bill of Rights will hold, even in its current post-Bush tattered state. The 1st Amendment and "democratic technology" in the service of the people constitute our lifeline. If that goes, it's goodbye to free thought, and hello new World according to the Jewish, Asian and German principles of "Party (or Mandarin, Fuehrer, Supreme Ayatollah, whatever names you wish to use) commands, you obey".

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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:10 pm)

ASMarques wrote:I understand your revulsion at the censorship-ridden German-Jewish dominated E.U., and even at Britain's peculiar brand of "soft totalitarianism"...


Given the (authentic) victimization of Germany during and after WW2, I sometimes feel a little discomfort after treating current German attitudes with the scorn they deserve. But in truth I feel it's high time for revisionists to stop using soft gloves to touch what seems to me like a no longer justifiable collective attitude on the part of Germans. Israel, Jews and Jewish blackmail cannot justify everything forever.

I fear an European Union under German control as much as I fear the return of religion to Europe under the joint auspices of Jerusalem and the Vatican.

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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:40 am)

Returning to the topic, here is some important reading for those who still think NN stands for "Nacht und Nebel":
http://wwmm.ch.cam.ac.uk/blogs/murrayrust/?p=1750

Three days to save the European Internet

Two days ago I had no idea the European Internet was under severe threat, and I’m a European. Part of the problem is that Europe is incredibly complicated and the governance is baroque and bizarre. It uses terms like (Acquis communautaire) – admittedly I suffer from Anglophone blindness, but in any language the complexity of terminology and governance is horrendous.

The normal thing most Brits do is ignore it. I have a cosy feeling that continentals are more educated but that’s probably false. So we have a governance process that’s out of control. They pay themselves huge allowances, are regularly corrupt, but as a “war baby” I reckon that’s a small price to pay for not carpet-bombing civilians. Yes, the UK tabloids regularly bash the Common Agriculture Policy, etc. but…

I was shocked out of my complacency when the issue of Software Patents in Europe arose. I went to UCL (London) to hear Richard Stallman talk on this and was embarrassed to find an American who knew how European government worked. He know where the power lay, the Council of Ministers (who are unelected), etc. and he gave us clear instructions as to how to best mobilise.

Now we are at it again. Although I’m an educated citizen of Europe I don’t know how to promote my views best. But one of the great powers of the Web is that it promotes e-democracy. Not only can anyone say what they want but groups can use crowdsourcing to assemble arguments and advocacy. So I know that I can read up rapidly on the issues and know what the best use of my very limited efforts is. (Here I think it’s mainly raising the issues on this blog and writing as an individual to my MEP).

I’ve found Twitter very useful here. 2-3 followers have – in the rather cryptic style of Twitter – pointed out that there are two issues.

-- Net neutrality
-- 3-strikes

Both are evil but the wisdom seems to be that net (non)neutrality is even more evil. What’s NN? Here’s a helpful site (http://www.savetheinternet.com/=faq). Essentially Net Neutrality is about the infrastructure of the net as provided by the companies such as telcons, which by default do not have our interests at heart.

From the site:

What is Network Neutrality?

Network Neutrality — or “Net Neutrality” for short — is the guiding principle that preserves the free and open Internet.

Put simply, Net Neutrality means no discrimination. Net Neutrality prevents Internet providers from blocking, speeding up or slowing down Web content based on its source, ownership or destination.

Net Neutrality is the reason why the Internet has driven economic innovation, democratic participation, and free speech online. It protects the consumer’s right to use any equipment, content, application or service on a non-discriminatory basis without interference from the network provider. With Net Neutrality, the network’s only job is to move data — not choose which data to privilege with higher quality service.


Who wants to get rid of Net Neutrality?

The nation’s largest telephone and cable companies — including AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner — want to be Internet gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow and which won’t load at all.

They want to tax content providers to guarantee speedy delivery of their data. They want to discriminate in favor of their own search engines, Internet phone services, and streaming video — while slowing down or blocking their competitors.

These companies have a new vision for the Internet. Instead of an even playing field, they want to reserve express lanes for their own content and services — or those from big corporations that can afford the steep tolls — and leave the rest of us on a winding dirt road.

The big phone and cable companies are spending hundreds of millions of dollars lobbying Congress and the Federal Communications Commission to gut Net Neutrality, putting the future of the Internet at risk.


Isn’t the threat to Net Neutrality just hypothetical?

No. By far the most significant evidence regarding the network owners’ plans to discriminate is their stated intent to do so.

The CEOs of all the largest telecom companies have made clear their intent to build a tiered Internet with faster service for the select few companies willing or able to pay the exorbitant tolls. Network Neutrality advocates are not imagining a doomsday scenario. We are taking the telecom execs at their word.

And you should read more.

Here’s an analogy. I shall start my journey to BioIT on two trains, East Coast Capital Connect (used to be British Rail) and Transport for London (the tube). Each makes up its own rules as the what services operate, what the fare structure is. For example if I want to travel from Cambridge to London they decide that I cannot have a cheap fare at certain times even though I have a concession. So as a class of citizen I am discriminated against in favour of corporate passengers (“customers”). That’s Train non-neutrality.

If I travel at the wrong time I incur a penalty. Let’s call that a “strike”. And let’s assume that a company decides that a recidivist breaker of this rule gets banned from travelling. That’s a per person decision, and somewhat analogous to the “three strikes rule”. There may be good reasons for wanting to ban individuals – repeated disorderly behaviour for example. I don’t know, but I expect there are people banned from rail travel.

So in writing to my MEP I referred him to a summary of the issues – better than trying to explain them myself when I don’t know what’s being voted on when and by whom.

I hope he knows.


Given the course the EU is taking, of course, some might prefer to shoot first, write later...

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:00 pm)

ASMarques wrote:
Given the (authentic) victimization of Germany during and after WW2, I sometimes feel a little discomfort after treating current German attitudes with the scorn they deserve. But in truth I feel it's high time for revisionists to stop using soft gloves to touch what seems to me like a no longer justifiable collective attitude on the part of Germans. Israel, Jews and Jewish blackmail cannot justify everything forever.


An Orwellian style Education & Media system has a lot to do with it & yes even group dynamics, however Germans can't make an informed decision about everything if they are not being informed in a fair & balanced way.

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I fear an European Union under German control as much as I fear the return of religion to Europe under the joint auspices of Jerusalem and the Vatican.

You'd prefer one under Muslim control?
There are regions of Germany where German is no longer spoken & where Germans aren't welcome.
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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:07 am)

MrNobody wrote:An Orwellian style Education & Media system has a lot to do with it & yes even group dynamics, however Germans can't make an informed decision about everything if they are not being informed in a fair & balanced way.


Yes, that too. But perhaps also "stick together" ingrained cultural habits, older than the 20th century forms of brainwashing and even more difficult to get rid of, leading to an apparent difficulty to exercise unfettered thought outside what is seen as the communal values.

MrNobody wrote:You'd prefer one under Muslim control?
There are regions of Germany where German is no longer spoken & where Germans aren't welcome.


It's not a matter of Christian & Jew versus Muslim. It's a matter of intellectual freedom versus religious control of society.

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Postby Markion » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:31 pm)

I don't understand but it seems that my comment, although it was initially published, was removed?

I refuse ASMarques position on German politics & culture. It is ridiculous to claim thet the EU is under control of Germany or will ever be. First of all, there is no indepenent, souvereign Germany. Brainwashing and occupation after the war keep our people enslaved, the Holocaust being the heart of the plan to keep the Germans weak and defenseless.

Germany is not even an independent country, since there is no peace treaty, no freedom of speech, no army under original German control, no German currency. We are still considered a hostile nation by the UN and US Nuclear weapons and 50.000 soldiers ae stationed on German soil.

So, holding Germany responsible for the words and deeds of its chancelor and its puppet government is the same as blaming the hostages of a captured ship for what the pirates are doing with it.

Hope, this time my comment will be published... :roll:
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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:43 pm)

I totally agree Markion. The Hiroshima bombers have had Germany under the boot both physically and psychologically since 1945.




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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:27 pm)

Markion wrote:I don't understand but it seems that my comment, although it was initially published, was removed?


Yes. So were mine. I have no problem with that provided I recognize that the posts may be off-topic or in violation of the accepted rules, as indeed they may have been (and may continue to be). So I won't insist. Let me simply put the matter in a different way in order for you not to mistake my position. It even seems to me that we basically agree.

What I'm saying is simply: "Germans, like Jews, should be hold morally responsible for massively not caring -- or indeed despising, like NSists clearly did -- freedom of expression and liberal (in the European, not the American sense) values."

And what you're saying is more like: "Germans, unlike Jews, should be pitied for having been reduced to the irresponsible state of grown-up children massively not caring -- or indeed despising, much like brainwashed people do -- freedom of expression and liberal (in the European, not the American sense) values."

Even if your diagnosis of the causes of the "disease" is more correct than mine, I don't think we will disagree on the desirability of an urgent cure. And, of course, when I say "Germans" or "Jews" I don't mean each and every "German" and "Jew." I mean their respective cultural / national communities, not those individuals among them that do not defer to the communal values.

Markion wrote:Hope, this time my comment will be published... :roll:


Probably will, then will vanish, and so will mine. And that's why I'm not giving it too much thought or going to the trouble of revising too much. You get the general lines of what I mean.

Look, I'm Portuguese, I like some things about Portugal, I dislike others, and two above all: the level of superstition (past and present) and a wide lack of appreciation of freedom (not to be confused with the usual political lip service to it). I suppose that will put things in perspective for you. Same if I were German: I wouldn't dream of denying my own country's shortcomings or attributing them to others. I do what I can, or feel like doing, to help in the good direction, but I don't feel in any way responsible for them as an individual. As simple as that.

I wish German patriots would grow a little more latin in their Weltanschauung and stopped crying out "brainwashed!" and "captive!"

In 2009? Brainwashed, my arse, if you will excuse me. I've just seen the movie "Swastika" and I couldn't help ROTFLing when those idiots of the NSist labor front with their shovels and little Robin Hood hats started singing and acting like a bunch of moronic sheep in some crazy Muppet opera. It was comic, and I don't think you'd be talking "brainwashed" about them. Well, I also ROTFL each time I see the Fatima multitudes. So what? Am I diminished for it? Of course not. I'm a person, not a country. :roll:

And that should conclude the Markion vs Marques duel, Mr. Moderator.


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