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If the holocaust was a hoax- Who created it?

Postby Halo » 1 decade 6 months ago (Fri May 08, 2009 12:05 pm)

I came across this youtube comment I found interesting:


The holocaust lie was concieved in the offices of the soviet NKVD, as soon as 1943. Chief of NKVD was Lavrenti Beria (jew) and half NKVD officers were jews. That is a fact not disputed by anyone (overwhelming evidence). Two NKVD journalists, Ilya Ehrenburg, minister of soviet propaganda and soviet war journalist Vasily Grossman wrote the holocaust propaganda piece that would be used at Nuremberg trial as the only "evidence".The NKVD then created the Soviet Jewish Anti-Fascist Commitee that was in direct contact with the American Jewish Commitee in USA by which it promoted the holocaust propaganda through the New York Times and financed-supported by banquer Warburg. The two objectives were the financing for creation of Israel and blame germans for NKVD attrocities so that Kremlin can say they are "liberators" of new eastern countries they now rule (Poland, Ukrain, Latvia, etc...)


Israel has managed to impose a clause forcing all new EU members to admit their guilt according to holocaust story. Latvia (EU member) now refuses to bow to this demand because it's goverment found out in soviet archives that the founder of Yad Vashem (Israel holocaust institute), Yitzhak Arad (aka:Rudnicki) was in fact a NKVD agent and that he was a direct participant in the real mass-killings of thousands of latvians he accuses the germans of being responsible of. Look it up !



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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 6 months ago (Fri May 08, 2009 12:30 pm)

The holocaust lie was concieved in the offices of the soviet NKVD, as soon as 1943. Chief of NKVD was Lavrenti Beria (jew) and half NKVD officers were jews. That is a fact not disputed by anyone (overwhelming evidence). Two NKVD journalists, Ilya Ehrenburg, ...
What are NKVD journalists?

Anyway, How about this one:
The Holocaust is a social construct.

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Postby Goethe » 1 decade 6 months ago (Fri May 08, 2009 12:40 pm)

I've found some important Revisionist Forum threads on that.

'6,000,000' planned in advance of WWII
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=112

Ilya Ehrenberg - The Man Who Invented The 'Six Million
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4057

A Collection Of 1920s NY-Times Jewish Holocau$t Articles
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2863
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Postby holographic » 1 decade 6 months ago (Fri May 08, 2009 12:41 pm)

Approach it as just more Holocaust THEORY!!

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 6 months ago (Fri May 08, 2009 7:49 pm)

It came from at least 4 angles.

1) The Vassily Grossman NKVD anti-German propaganda and revenge angle.

2) The right-wing Zionist angle with Jabotinsky's early speeches and Peter Bergson (Hillel Kook) in USA. As well as a general Zionist angle with so many people, but to name one: Josef Rosensaft at Belsen.

3) The Eisenhower angle and his Psyche Warfare moves at Merkers/Ohrduf/Buchenwald.

4) There's also a Warsaw ghetto/resist deportation by instilling fear angle with Jacob Berman/Emmanuel Ringelblum/Rachel Auerbach.

Those are 4 angles that come to mind.

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 10, 2009 6:25 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:It came from at least 4 angles.

1) The Vassily Grossman NKVD anti-German propaganda and revenge angle.
2) The right-wing Zionist angle with Jabotinsky's early speeches and Peter Bergson (Hillel Kook) in USA. As well as a general Zionist angle with so many people, but to name one: Josef Rosensaft at Belsen.

3) The Eisenhower angle and his Psyche Warfare moves at Merkers/Ohrduf/Buchenwald.

4) There's also a Warsaw ghetto/resist deportation by instilling fear angle with Jacob Berman/Emmanuel Ringelblum/Rachel Auerbach.

Those are 4 angles that come to mind.
In that light the following might be of interest
Serious consideration of armed Jewish resistance only began after the German invasion of the Soviet Union. From the onset the Nazis abandoned all restraints in their activities in the Soviet Union. Einsatzgruppen (Special Duty Units) started systematically slaughtering Jews and by October 1941, four months after the invasion, over 250,000 Jews had been killed in mass executions in White Russia and the Baltic states. By December 1941 the first reports of gassings on Polish soil, at Chelmno, convinced the youth movements, the Bund, the Revisionists and the Communists that they had to assemble some military groups, but the bulk of the surviving leaders of the mainline WZO parties either did not believe that what had happened elsewhere would happen in Warsaw or else they were convinced that nothing could be done. Yitzhak Zuckerman, a founder of the Jewish Fighting Organisation (JFO) which united the WZO’s forces with the Bund and the Communists, and later a major historian of the Warsaw rising, has put it baldly: “The Jewish Fighting Organisation arose without the parties and against the wish of the parties.” [20] After the war some of the writings of Hersz Berlinksi, of the “left” Poale Zion, were posthumously published. He told of an October 1942 conference between his organisation and the youth groups. The question before them was whether the JFO should have just a military command or a military-political committee, and the youth groups wanted to avoid the domination of the parties:...
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch21.htm

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Postby jheitwler » 1 decade 6 months ago (Mon May 11, 2009 9:30 pm)

Go to the New York Times archives. They have (I think) every issue of the NYT going back to 1851. You can search the archive for free and download many of the articles for free as well. If you're a print subscriber you have access to all the articles in the archive for no additional cost.

Search for "six million Jews" "6,000,000 Jews" "six million Jewish", etc. You'll find some interesting results especially if you restrict the search to the years prior to 1939.

The earliest reference I found to six million Jews in Europe being in grave peril while the world slumbers is from 1916. I'd be interested to see if there are any even earlier that I haven't stumbled across yet.
"First of all there is the fact that if we assume the Holocaust to have happened more or less as told, all the evidence becomes intelligible, while if we assume it was a hoax, most of the evidence does not make any sense." - Robert Jan Van Pelt

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Postby Lamprecht » 1 decade 6 months ago (Tue May 12, 2009 7:27 pm)

http://vho.org/tr/2004/3/Rudolf325-327.html

Jews in the NKVD of Stalin's Soviet Union

By Germar Rudolf

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Postby Hektor » 6 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:02 pm)

Hektor wrote:....In that light the following might be of interest
Serious consideration of armed Jewish resistance only began after the German invasion of the Soviet Union. From the onset the Nazis abandoned all restraints in their activities in the Soviet Union. Einsatzgruppen (Special Duty Units) started systematically slaughtering Jews and by October 1941, four months after the invasion, over 250,000 Jews had been killed in mass executions in White Russia and the Baltic states. By December 1941 the first reports of gassings on Polish soil, at Chelmno, convinced the youth movements, the Bund, the Revisionists and the Communists that they had to assemble some military groups, but the bulk of the surviving leaders of the mainline WZO parties either did not believe that what had happened elsewhere would happen in Warsaw or else they were convinced that nothing could be done. Yitzhak Zuckerman, a founder of the Jewish Fighting Organisation (JFO) which united the WZO’s forces with the Bund and the Communists, and later a major historian of the Warsaw rising, has put it baldly: “The Jewish Fighting Organisation arose without the parties and against the wish of the parties.” [20] After the war some of the writings of Hersz Berlinksi, of the “left” Poale Zion, were posthumously published. He told of an October 1942 conference between his organisation and the youth groups. The question before them was whether the JFO should have just a military command or a military-political committee, and the youth groups wanted to avoid the domination of the parties:...
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch21.htm

That link doesn't work anymore. But I found other ones:
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/engl/zad/zad21.html
http://holywar.org/txt/Brenner/chapter21.html

And for the whole book:
http://archive.org/details/ZionismInThe ... eappraisal

Me myself is still looking for the Book of Norbert Masur about Himmler.

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Re: If the holocaust was a hoax- Who created it?

Postby borjastick » 6 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:28 pm)

To my mind there is little doubt the serious misinformation and atrocities (false flag etc) was masterminded by the Russians. They had planned such actions early in the war or even before given the chance. The problem was, and as such the pure answer to the question is Hitler and his actions of removing the jews opened the door, and gave all manner of opportunity to the Russians and then the jews to capitalise of the desperate situation they found themselves in. It was literally manna from heaven. No removal of jews=no holocaust and no seventy years of reparations, bull, Israel and the like.
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Re: If the holocaust was a hoax- Who created it?

Postby ralphsteiner » 6 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:47 pm)

borjastick wrote:To my mind there is little doubt the serious misinformation and atrocities (false flag etc) was masterminded by the Russians. They had planned such actions early in the war or even before given the chance. The problem was, and as such the pure answer to the question is Hitler and his actions of removing the jews opened the door, and gave all manner of opportunity to the Russians and then the jews to capitalise of the desperate situation they found themselves in. It was literally manna from heaven. No removal of jews=no holocaust and no seventy years of reparations, bull, Israel and the like.



I find your comment interesting. In one of my other posts I was focused on the activity of Dr. Nicholas Terry a staunch holocaustian, and I find it convenient that he so often identifies with Soviet/Communist imagery/icons in his avatars, and is alleged to be an expert on the NKVD.
It would make sense that someone like he was and is towing this same party line, even in the modern era.

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Re: If the holocaust was a hoax- Who created it?

Postby Hektor » 6 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:23 pm)

borjastick wrote:To my mind there is little doubt the serious misinformation and atrocities (false flag etc) was masterminded by the Russians. They had planned such actions early in the war or even before given the chance. The problem was, and as such the pure answer to the question is Hitler and his actions of removing the jews opened the door, and gave all manner of opportunity to the Russians and then the jews to capitalise of the desperate situation they found themselves in. It was literally manna from heaven. No removal of jews=no holocaust and no seventy years of reparations, bull, Israel and the like.

Slight disagreement. I think the gassing originated from the British information services (to use an euphemism) A good example on this would be:
http://archive.org/details/1941-11-06-T ... ergasungen
The Soviets pick on this only later. I am not even sure whether they had the gassing theme in their first propaganda movie in Auschwitz:
http://archive.org/details/Auschwitz1946

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Re: If the holocaust was a hoax- Who created it?

Postby Kingfisher » 6 years 9 months ago (Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:12 pm)

Hektor

The Russians were alleging gas vans in 1943 at the Krasnodar and Kharkhiv trials. But at that time they were only talking about "innocent Soviet citizens". The J-word wasn't mentioned.

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Postby Armor105 » 6 years 9 months ago (Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:34 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:It came from at least 4 angles.

1) The Vassily Grossman NKVD anti-German propaganda and revenge angle.

2) The right-wing Zionist angle with Jabotinsky's early speeches and Peter Bergson (Hillel Kook) in USA. As well as a general Zionist angle with so many people, but to name one: Josef Rosensaft at Belsen.

3) The Eisenhower angle and his Psyche Warfare moves at Merkers/Ohrduf/Buchenwald.

4) There's also a Warsaw ghetto/resist deportation by instilling fear angle with Jacob Berman/Emmanuel Ringelblum/Rachel Auerbach.

Those are 4 angles that come to mind.


I think the part played by Hollywood should not be underestimated. We are talking about top notch professional propagandists here. Aimed at powerful western audiences. Billy Wilder and the like doing their thing.

"Hollywood directors John Ford, George Stevens, and Samuel Fuller entertained audiences with American cinema classics like The Grapes of Wrath, Shane, and The Big Red One. But their most important contribution to history was their work in the U.S. Armed Forces and Secret Services, filming the realities of war and the liberation of Nazi concentration camps."

LINK: Filming the Camps
Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


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Re: If the holocaust was a hoax- Who created it?

Postby Armor105 » 6 years 9 months ago (Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:37 pm)

Kingfisher wrote:Hektor

The Russians were alleging gas vans in 1943 at the Krasnodar and Kharkhiv trials. But at that time they were only talking about "innocent Soviet citizens". The J-word wasn't mentioned.


How about this British press release even earlier?

“GERMANS MURDER 700,000 JEWS IN POLAND"
TRAVELLING GAS CHAMBERS

DAILY TELEGRAPH REPORTER

"More than 700,000 Polish Jews have been slaughtered by the Germans in the greatest massacre in world history. […]”

- Daily Telegraph, June 25, 1942, p. 5

Compare that to this 1916 Propaganda

“ATROCITIES IN SERBIA 700,000 VICTIMS"

FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT

ROME, Monday (6:45 p.m.)

"The Governments of the Allies have secured evidence and documents, which will shortly be published, proving that Austria and Bulgaria have been guilty of horrible crimes in Serbia, where the massacres committed were worse than those perpetrated by Turkey in Armenia. […] Women, children, and old men were shut up in the churches by the Austrians and either stabbed with the bayonet or suffocated by means of asphyxiating gas. In one church in Belgrade 3,000 women, children, and old men were thus suffocated. […]”

- Daily Telegraph, March 22 1916
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