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Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 24, 2009 10:13 am)

I am a holocaust-HOAX denier because there is not one shred of good evidence that even one person was ever killed by the Nazis in any gas chamber or gas van. The gassing claims are sheer rubbish--and the people who defend such rubbish about Nazi gassings have no idea as to what they are talking about. They fail to provide forensically valid theories as to how the mythical gas chambers could have even worked.

If anyone can find a picture of any corpse found anywhere in German-occupied territory with forensic proof that the person died from poison gas or poison, I will shutdown my website. If anyone can identify even one Jew by name with documentary proof from any German document that he was killed with poison gas or poison, I will shutdown my website.

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The Holocaust story is a hoax because 1) no one was killed by the Nazis in gas chambers, 2) the total number of Jews who died in Nazi captivity is miniscule compared to what is alleged.

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby KostasL » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 24, 2009 10:31 am)

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:If anyone can find a picture of any corpse found anywhere in German-occupied territory with forensic proof that the person died from poison gas or poison, I will shutdown my website.


The Allies and Soviets invading and occupying Germany with all their huge resources and efforts to incriminate the Germans, did not succeed in this. :oops:

How is anybody supposed to provide you with such solid evidence of the Holocaust ? :lol:

But if you want i can provide you thousands of film movies with Holywood stars, TV documentaries, novels, articles, paintings, "survivors" narrations, etc. , describing the Nazi horrors. :lol: :lol: :lol:
When you realize that the Holocaust is a LIE, then all of a sudden, ALL your questions, ALL bizarre and strange things, disappear, and ALL things make sense, at last.

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby disillusioned » 1 decade 6 months ago (Tue May 26, 2009 9:40 pm)

Friedrich:

I'd be careful about this challenge. I find most big lies are based on a kernel of truth. It woudn't surprise me if all of this holocaust nonsense started because somewhere some psychotic german threw some Jews into the delousing chamber...

I'm just saying..

I have no evidence this happened, but it wouldn't surprise me. If evidence were to surface (actual evidence, you know, that proves something happened) it would be along these lines... in 1940.. a handful of Jews were thrown in the delousing chamber. And BOOM. The whole Jewish mythology of the 6 million becomes real.

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 6 months ago (Wed May 27, 2009 12:26 am)

I am quite confident that there were absolutely NO mis-uses like that suggested by "disillusioned." For delousing with Zyklon-B to have worked, people had to have confidence that they were NOT entering rooms or buildings where they might be gassed to death instead. Otherwise, one would have had to have as much security to get people to be deloused as one would have realistically needed to kill others in homicidal gas chambers.

It would have made things ridiculously complicated to have any homicidal Zyklon-B gassings while continuing to use Zyklon-B to keep masses of people alive. People panic rather easily if there is even a rumor that they might be killed; that is only natural. The tales of stoic Jews quietly entering homicidal gas chambers without any kinds of physical restraint are a psychological impossibility, especially for Jews.

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The Holocaust story is a hoax because 1) no one was killed by the Nazis in gas chambers, 2) the total number of Jews who died in Nazi captivity is miniscule compared to what is alleged.

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby littlefieldjohn » 1 decade 6 months ago (Wed May 27, 2009 10:47 am)

With modern technology , it is strange that there is nothing being done or nothing being publicized about additional research attempts to validate the mass gassings

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby KostasL » 1 decade 6 months ago (Thu May 28, 2009 5:13 pm)

littlefieldjohn wrote:With modern technology , it is strange that there is nothing being done or nothing being publicized about additional research attempts to validate the mass gassings


The Allies and the Soviets with all the commitment they showed (almost mania) and all the efforts they made, using their vast resources, WERE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE, except "confessions" and "eyewitnesses". :oops:

Modern technology can do much but cannot make wonders. Except you are talking of Hollywood and Spielberg. :oops:

It is not strange that there is nothing being done or nothing being publicized about additional research attempts to validate the mass gassings.
When you realize that the Holocaust is a LIE, then all of a sudden, ALL your questions, ALL bizarre and strange things, dissapear and ALL things make sense, at last. :wink:

The holocaustians can only pretend that there is debate, controversy, doubt, etc. :lol:
There is nothing left for them. The war is over and they lost it. They have signed their unconditional surrender long time ago. :D

Only thing left is that people realize it.
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Meanwhile the holocaustians may "continue" their phoney war, just like Lt. Hiroo Onoda did. :lol:
http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldw ... ersurr.htm
In 1944, Lt. Hiroo Onoda was sent by the Japanese army to the remote Philippine island of Lubang. His mission was to conduct guerrilla warfare during World War II. Unfortunately, he was never officially told the war had ended; so for 29 years, Onoda continued to live in the jungle, ready for when his country would again need his services and information. Eating coconuts and bananas and deftly evading searching parties he believed were enemy scouts, Onoda hid in the jungle until he finally emerged from the dark recesses of the island on March 19, 1972.


-"Helloooo, come out ! The war is over !" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Onoda first saw a leaflet that claimed the war was over in October 1945. When another cell had killed a cow, they found a leaflet left behind by the islanders which read: "The war ended on August 15. Come down from the mountains!"2 But as they sat in the jungle, the leaflet just didn't seem to make sense, for another cell had just been fired upon a few days ago. If the war were over, why would they still be under attack? No, they decided, the leaflet must be a clever ruse by the Allied propagandists.

Again, the outside world tried to contact the survivors living on the island by dropping leaflets out of a Boeing B-17 near the end of 1945. Printed on these leaflets was the surrender order from General Yamashita of the Fourteenth Area Army. Having already hidden on the island for a year and with the only proof of the end of the war being this leaflet, Onoda and the others scrutinized every letter and every word on this piece of paper. One sentence in particular seemed suspicious, it said that those who surrendered would receive "hygienic succor" and be "hauled" to Japan. Again, they believed this must be an Allied hoax.

Leaflet after leaflet was dropped. Newspapers were left. Photographs and letters from relatives were dropped. Friends and relatives spoke out over loudspeakers. There was always something suspicious, so they never believed that the war had really ended.


Just like Onoda, the holocaustians got the message since 1945. Onoda refused to look at all the messages, documents and evidence. But even Onoda was convinced after 29 years. :lol:
These dummies refuse to do so after 64 years. :lol: :lol: :lol:

So, i repeat : COME OUT YOU DUMMIES, THE WAR IS OVER !!!

P.S. oh boy, that is getting embarassing, isn't it ?
When you realize that the Holocaust is a LIE, then all of a sudden, ALL your questions, ALL bizarre and strange things, disappear, and ALL things make sense, at last.

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 4:28 am)

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:If anyone can identify even one Jew by name with documentary proof from any German document that he was killed with poison gas or poison, I will shutdown my website.


well, to show people and in particular Jews were homicidally gassed by german authorities is easy as this is documented in a number of german files.

1.) the killings with gasvans are for instance most openely described in this document from the SS-RSHA files:

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/imaged ... 459001.jpg

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/imaged ... 459002.jpg

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/imaged ... 459003.jpg

it mentions-among other things- that

"The application of the gassing is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned."

so this is clear proof for killing by gas.

a certain revisionist Weckert claims she has "grave doubts as to the authenticity of the document" here:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwagon.html

however,she offers no substantial arguments to support this claim.

firstly,she claims "It is both surprising and hard to believe that the Army Motor Pool would send vehicles to the Russian front if they were not at all suitable for the road conditions there", which can only be regarded as a poor joke. As everybody-except her-knows the Wehrmacht was not adequately equipped for the dust, mud and snow conditions in the soviet union. moreover,the letter explecitely says the gasvans were not driving on the roads but 10 to 15 km away from the roads.

secondly,she claims that "Becker would not have been able to produce his own sleeves". again, it makes no sense whatsoever that a forgery would add this discussion about technical problems into the document. the paragraph makes only sense if it was actually authored by Becker at the time.since there is no apparent reason,why he would have to lie about this towards Rauff,it can be assumed they were indeed able to produce their own sleeves.

thirdly, she claims that "no minor SS-Untersturmführer would literally brag about such activities to a higher-ranking officer and his superior". Weckert of course is not in the position to judge what Becker would brag about towards Rauff. indeed, the fact that he wrote rauff about the bribery suggest that he was ordered to use these means by Rauff himself.

forthly, she claims "For as long as there is no proof that the RSHA's Saurer vehicles were not equipped with Diesel engines, as was normally the case, the gassing tales cannot be given any credence". Likewise this argument is irrelevant has is pointed out in this article "Why the "diesel issue" is irrelevant" (http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-diesel-issue-is-irrelevant.html):

Since we do know from extensive documentation and eyewitness statements that there were gas vans, and if we assume that Berg is correct, then Saurer gas vans were Saurers with petrol engines.

Also, Nick pointed out that old, 1920s models had petrol motors, so maybe old RSHA vehicles were converted. Otherwise, it is also possible that only Saurer chassis were ordered, and petrol engines were installed afterwards.


fifthly, she claims "Beckers description of the alleged influence of the lever position on the way the victims die is utter nonsense". in contrary, it is entirely reasonable that they could have influenced if the victims died of lack of oxygen or CO poisoning - or at least believed so.

so in conclusion, Weckert provides not a shred of convincing argument to support her assertion. in fact, there is not even no reason to assume the document is not authentic, but even more the forgery thesis can be ruled out based on the amount of technical problems described in the letter.

2.) now,lets continue our journey through the german files:

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/imaged ... 459004.jpg

This a series of documents from the SS-RSHA files. they mention the transfer of a Saurer "S-Wagen" and 100 m of "exhaust tube" to security police Riga. there are three reasons why somebody need 100 m of exhaust tube for a truck.

a) he wants to perform scientific or technical tests on engine exhaust

b) he wants to commit suicide

c) he wants to kill others

clearly, in the context of the security police in Riga only option c) makes sense.accordingly, the document supports the use of gasvans for killing purposes in the east.

lets go on.

3.) here is another one:

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/imaged ... 459005.jpg

this is a message from the security police in Riga to the RSHA in Berlin. it mentions that a jewish transport is arriving weekly which is subjected to Sonderbehandlung, the present three "S-Wagen" are not sufficient for this purpose, that another S-Wagen is requested therefore and that for the present ones "20 exhaust tubes" are to be sent, because the present ones are no longer tight.

Again, this document is clear proof for the killing of jews with gasvans.

4.) here is more:

http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/1.GIF
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/2.GIF
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/3.GIF
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/4.GIF
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/5.GIF
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/6.GIF
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/7.GIF
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/8.GIF
...
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/28.GIF
http://skeptiq.stml.net/misc/EGB/29.GIF

this is a so called operation and situation report of the Einsatzgruppe B. it mentions on page 7:

The gasvans which arrived in Smolensk on 23 3 1942 were made available as follows:

EK [Einsatzkommando] 8: truck Saurer Pol71462
EK 9: truck Saurer Pol71457

both vehicles arrived in Smolensk defect and were given to the Einsatzkommandos after repair. the two smaller gasvans were given to SK [Sonderkommando] 7a and SK 7b after EK 8 finished its operation.


5.) we also have this well known footage which can be dated into September 1941 in Mogilev:

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it shows a german police car with exhaust tube led into a brick building. there is also footage of people led into what is apparently the same brick building:

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the scene is consistent with the description of euthanasia killing specialiast Albert Widman of gassing of people in Mogilev at the Frankfurt Euthanasia trial, see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Widmann.

6.) Next:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/

this is from the files of the German civil administration in the East. it mentions:

With reference to my letter of October 18, 1941, this is to inform you that Oberdienstleiter Brack of the Führer Chancellery has agreed to collaborate in the production of the required shelters and gassing devices. At this time, the envisaged devices are not available in sufficient quantity; they will first have to be manufactured. Since in Brack's opinion, the manufacture of the devices in the Reich will cause much greater difficulties than doing it on the spot, Brack considers it most expedient to send his people to Riga, especially his chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, who will effect all further steps there. Oberdienstleiter Brack points out that the procedure in question is not without danger, so that special protective measures are necessary. In these circumstances, I request that you address yourself to Oberdienstleiter Brack in the Führer Chancellery through your Higher SS and Police Leader and request the dispatch of the chemist Kallmeyer and other assistants. I should inform you that Sturmbannführer Eichmann, the expert for the Jewish Question in the RSHA is entirely in agreement with this process.

[...]

As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy. In this way, events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can hardly be excused, will no longer be possible.


clearly the document describes the intention to substitute the killing of jews not capable to work by shooting by the use of poison gas.

7.) Next document:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/194203 ... nderwagen/

this is a document from the RSHA files. it mentions

The special vans manufactured by us are at this time in operation pursuant to the order of the Chief of the Security Police and the SD. There are more vans under construction, whose delivery is however dependent upon the appropriate shipping orders being issued by the General Plenipotentiary for Vehicles [GEK]. At what point in time the GEK will confirm the state of preparedness is not known, and, after that happens, one must further factor in a rebuilding period of around 8 - 14 days that will be necessary. At that point in time, I would be prepared to put a special van of that kind at the disposal of the Mauthausen concentration camp for a specified time. At the given time, I will let you know as soon as the van can be deployed.

Since I assume that the Mauthausen concentration camp cannot wait indefinitely for the delivery, I request that you use steel bottles with carbon monoxide or respectively other remedies to get things started.


so that the use of CO bottles substitutes the use of the "special vans" shows there were used as gasvans.

8.) next one:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/19420411-turner-wolff/

this from SS correspondence. it mentions


Already some months ago, I shot dead all the Jews I could get my hands on in this area, concentrated all the Jewish women and children in a camp and with the help of the SD got my hands on a "delousing van," that in about 14 days to 4 weeks will have brought about the definitive clearing out of the camp, which in any event since the arrival of Meyssner and the turning over of this camp to him, was continued by him.


also this documents links the use of a truck as substitution for shooting, and in the light of what we seen above it is describing the use of a homicidal gas van.

9.) http://www.actionreinhardcamps.org/gas_ ... _vans.html

this is a quote from diary of a German foreign office offical:

The Italians asked about the little packages and suitcases that were piled up in the church. Kube explained that this was all that was left of the Jews who had been deported from Minsk. Then he showed them a gas chamber in which he said Jews had been gassed. The Fascists were severely shaken.


10.) http://www.holocaust-history.org/194206 ... zialwagen/

Since December 1941, ninety-seven thousand have been processed, using three vans, without any defects showing up in the vehicles.

[...]

For in this case a longer running time is required, as the empty space also needs to be filled with CO. On the contrary, were the cargo area smaller, but fully occupied, the operation would take considerably less time, because there would be no empty space.

3.) The pipe that connects the exhaust to the van tends to rust, because it is eaten away from the inside by liquids that flow into it. To avoid this the nozzle should be so arranged as to point downward. The liquids will thus be prevented from flowing into [the pipe].



Clear description of a gasvan for killing.

so we can conclude the gassing of people by the germans has been shown. now please shut down your website. :)

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Thesaint » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 7:36 am)

Not a shred of physical proof or conclusive documentary evidence though,Germania.A photo of an emaciated man,yet more laughable "testimony",and Stalinist show trial transcripts.
Mr Berg will need something much more concrete.
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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Malle » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 7:37 am)

Germania, you believe in recycling, me too to a limit. :wink: Most of your post is recycled stuff from this 6-year-old topic:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=288
I must be a mushroom - because everyone keeps me in the dark and feeds me with lots of bullshit.

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Thesaint » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 7:47 am)

Tell us Germania,why would the ultra-practical Germans have bothered with "gas" vans when they could have simply made the compartments air-tight and let the Jewish passenger`s lungs do the evil deed?
"We didn't call survivors," says Lipstadt, "because first of all we didn't want to subject them to cross-examination by this guy. He (Irving) would have destroyed them."
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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 9:42 am)

Malle wrote:Germania, you believe in recycling, me too to a limit. :wink: Most of your post is recycled stuff from this 6-year-old topic:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=288


so you see, mr. Berg should have shut down his site already 6 years ago. :wink:

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 9:49 am)

Thesaint wrote:Not a shred of physical proof or conclusive documentary evidence though,Germania.A photo of an emaciated man,yet more laughable "testimony",and Stalinist show trial transcripts.
Mr Berg will need something much more concrete.


you did not pay good attention to my post.the evidence i provided is very concrete and conclusive. the wartime documents by perpetrators about their gassing activities is on of the best possible proof one can think of.

also i did not mention any transcripts from what you call "stalinist show trial". the only testimony i refered to is was in order to put the picture of the german police cars exhaust being led into the brick building into historical context the testimony of Widmann at a west german trial carried out by west-german authorities. calling this a "stalinist show trial" can only be regarded as a joke and turns reality up-side down.

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 9:57 am)

Thesaint wrote:Tell us Germania,why would the ultra-practical Germans have bothered with "gas" vans when they could have simply made the compartments air-tight and let the Jewish passenger`s lungs do the evil deed?


why doesnt the even more practical us americans do this for their executions?are executions in the Us also a hoax?

why do also people use engine exhaust for suicide? this is hoax too?

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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Älghuvud » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 11:18 am)

Germania wrote:
Thesaint wrote:Tell us Germania,why would the ultra-practical Germans have bothered with "gas" vans when they could have simply made the compartments air-tight and let the Jewish passenger`s lungs do the evil deed?


why doesnt the even more practical us americans do this for their executions?are executions in the Us also a hoax?

why do also people use engine exhaust for suicide? this is hoax too?


Legal executions cannot be compared to illegal mass killings. For the latter, much more practical solutions than gas(oline) would be required.

Moreover, Anglo-Americans (no matter how many academic degrees they acquired during their lives) are an utmost ignorant and therefore impractical people. So what do we Europeans care how Yankees commit murders?

And yes, suicide with a Diesel (!) engine definitely would be a hoax.
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Re: Holocaust-HOAX Denial with a Challenge

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 6 months ago (Sun May 31, 2009 1:05 pm)

Thanks to "Germania" for his addition to this thread. No doubt, it is the result of a great deal of head scratching on his part and on the part of many others--and thanks also to the webmaster for NOT removing Germania's post. We will have some interesting and educational exchanges here on this subject shortly. The bigots at Nizkor have managed to ban me from GOOGLE newsgroups--but we can perhaps continue some serious discussions here on CODOH.

I only have a few minutes now--so, I will simply say here that Germania has NOT answered my challenge (at the top of this thread) at all. There are NO names given of any gassing victims, and there are NO pictures of any corpse with forensic evidence that the corpse was of someone killed with poison gas or any other poison.

The letter (alleged) from Becker to Rauff is well-known to me and has been discussed at great length by Ingrid Weckert and myself. The linked images of that three-page document from PS-501 are the best I have seen anywhere and are even better than my one photocopies from the National Archives in Washington. What should be noted, however, is that the "document" is NOT an original document but merely a carbon copy found in some place--"Provenance Unknown." After the war, Walter Rauff was "persuaded" to sign a supporting document in which he "admitted" he had indeed received that document during the war. After that, Rauff worked for the Israelis as a spy for several decades and was never prosecuted as a war criminal. That is how "evidence" was generated. If Rauff had not cooperated, no doubt, he would have been prosecuted.

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