PROOF: How it was done at Majdanek!!!

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PROOF: How it was done at Majdanek!!!

Postby widmann » 1 decade 4 months ago (Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:04 pm)

TIME magazine Aug. 2, 1944 includes a "Foreign News" story with the title Vernichtungslager which recounts the story of the Russian press having published the first eye-witness description of Majdanek. This clearly explains how the Nazis murdered their victims. The story tells us:

“In the center of the camp stands a huge stone building with a factory chimney – the world’s biggest crematorium. The Germans attempted to burn it but most of it still stands – a grim monument to the Third Reich. Groups of 100 people would be brought here to be burned almost alive. They already had been stripped and then chlorinated in special gas chambers adjoining. The gas chambers contained some 250 persons at a time. They were closely packed… so that after they suffocated they remained standing… The human cargoes were dumped into a roating [sic - presumably the author meant "roasting" ] furnace heated to 1,500 degrees Centigrade.

The victims charred bones and ashes were moved into an adjoining department where an incredible process went on. These human bones were mechanically pulverized, placed inside large tin cans and shipped back to Germany for fertilizing the fields.

The cremation furnace was running day and night and its chimneys never ceased smoking. The capacity of its five compartments was 1,400 daily.”

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Re: PROOF: How it was done at Majdanek!!!

Postby widmann » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:21 am)

Hmmm. It appears that there is little interest in this topic. Consider a few thoughts:

First, you may find the original article, Vernichtungslager on-line at: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,932705,00.html

Several years ago a revisionist researcher dug this article out of the original magazine in a library archive. Research was difficult in those days. The initial thought having read the short article was that the facts were absurd and chalked them up to Soviet propaganda stemming from the Soviet report on Majdanek.

I suggest that revisionists need to reconsider and look for remnants or fragments of the truth in such accounts rather than write them off completely. What may be true in the Vernichtungslager story?

First the article tells us: "Groups of 100 people would be brought here to be burned almost alive" Almost? What is meant by this? Were these people alive or not? Interestingly in a July 21, 1921 article from the New York Times "New Delousing Plant" which discusses the delousing facility at Hoffman Island in New York which was established for immigrants with typhus and other diseases we find the same number being used: "Immigrants can be handled at a rate of 100 an hour."

The TIME article also tells us: "They were closely packed ... so that after they suffocated they remained standing. . ." We have seen this reference in several sources. But consider -- how could those gassed in fact remain standing after the procedure. Simple answer is not that the story is untrue -- but rather that they were still alive!

The Americans at Hoffman Island treated articles of clothing with Cyanide gas. Immigrants were subjected to having their hair cut and a series of shower baths.

Rather than writing off witness accounts as nonsense, revisionist should look for what may be true and what corresponds to procedures of delousing, cremation and air raid protection.

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Re: PROOF: How it was done at Majdanek!!!

Postby gatedancer » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:22 pm)

There was a term used in that article that I haven't seen before in any of the wild eyewitness testimony and propaganda; "burned almost alive." How can someone be almost alive? I can see almost dead, I guess. But almost alive was just made up to make it sound worse.

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Re: PROOF: How it was done at Majdanek!!!

Postby wtfhappenedtohess » 1 decade 4 months ago (Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:15 am)

interesting
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Re: PROOF: How it was done at Majdanek!!!

Postby disillusioned » 1 decade 4 months ago (Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:23 am)

Richard:

I have always thought that somewhere one (or perhaps a few) people had been gassed alive and that this formed the very small kernel of truth about the gassings. Keep in mind that this was likely an individual act (a war crime by todays standards) but it had nothing to do with a conspiracy to biologically eliminate the Jews.

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Re: PROOF: How it was done at Majdanek!!!

Postby widmann » 1 decade 4 months ago (Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:58 pm)

wtfhappenedtohess wrote:I have always thought that somewhere one (or perhaps a few) people had been gassed alive and that this formed the very small kernel of truth about the gassings.


We would certainly need evidence of that -- and for years that is exactly what Holocaust revisionists have been seeking. In Bradley Smith's term's "one person with proof."

It appears in brief (very brief) that the camps ran fairly normally up to the Summer of 1942. You will find up to that time that there were many who were in fact released from the camps. This is well-documented in Czech's "Auschwitz Chronicle" for example. There is also a large release of inmates in 1939 from Dachau to mark Hitler's birthday. It would be astounding to think that the Nazis would release prisoners from camps where a massive extermination program was being carried out.

In the Summer of 1942 a major typhus epidemic hit. Nazi leadership issued several orders to reduce the deaths from the disease. This was the period for increased Zyklon usage (for delousing), increased crematoria usage, and the expansion of the rumors of death by gassing.

By 1943 a new period of significant movement of prisoners began with many non-Jewish inmates in the East being transferred to the Reich while Jews continued to be transferred to the Eastern camps. By 1944 with the military setbacks against the Soviets began a chaotic time in the camps with many inmates not be registered as they waited to be moved to other camps. Jews and non-Jews alike were being transferred Westward to camps like Buchenwald. With the massive transfer came overcrowding and increased typhus epidemics in the western camps.

I think that it is necessary to understand the different phases that the camps and the camp system went through in order to grasp what was going on. We also see many building being equipped with air raid shelter equipment by 1944 -- much of which was later mistaken for evidence for gassing.

There are normal / non-sinister explanations for all that is offered as "traces" of a gassing program.


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