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Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:00 pm)

When I did my translation of the interview with Jean-Claude Pressac, I was intrigued by Pressac's speculation that Cyanogas, not Zyklon-B, was used as the homicidal tool at Natzweiler.

With a little research, I discovered that Cyanogas is easily a far superior tool for mass homicide than Zyklon-B. Attached is my little essay explaining why.
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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Germania » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:17 am)

you may derive as much possible reasons on theoretical or practical grounds for a different killing agent,but zyklon-B reamins the first choice for two reasons: a) it was available in Auschwitz and b) it worked fine.there was no reason to think of any other killing agent to begin with.

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool! No

Postby Zulu » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:28 am)

IF SS were as much cruel as we are told and IF an "industrial extermination plan" would have run by them, I think that the "killing stage" with gas or any other way was a dispensable step on a real "industrial" process.
Successive batches of 100 people, for instance, could have been continuously thrown into large industrial incinerators to make them TOTALLY disappear in few minutes.
NO need of dubious "gassing operation", no need of non adapted batteries of individual cremation's muffles. The continuous operation of 5 large industrial incinerators at working temperature near 1500ºC would have been able to make vanish 11 millions of people in 200 days. Maybe less incinerators would be necessary according with the time planed to execute the "final solution". The advantage is that such installation could have been located at a REALLY SECRET PLACE and run by FEW SELECTED SS.
Make a test, ask some industrial engineers to design an installation able to incinerate 11 millions of sheep attacked by an incurable disease as quickly as possible.
The only difference with the "solution" I exposed above would be that, to respect the laws of animal protection, it would be a necessary step planed to kill the sheep before they incineration.
See the plans they would made and compare with what we are forced to believe.
To pretend that the 4 crematoriae of Birkenau were 4 "death factories" is a nonsense considering the industrial capacity of German engineers at that time. The blueprints are the best proofs of it. The blatant evidence is that those buildings were no criminal functional crematoriae based on civilian design in use in Germany at that time. That is why the rooms labeled "Leichenkeller" were actually MORGUES and not ludicrous "gas chambers".
Camouflage? Another nonsense because many inmates were working at the drawing offices and the production of plans and the construction of the Kremas were under the supervision of the civilian firm HUTA. There was NO RESTRICTION concerning the circulation and handling of such plans which were even taken OUTSIDE the area of SS control! The last package of plans concerning Krema II and III were remitted by HUTA to the Zentral Bauleitung in july 1943! Not less than 5 months after the beginning of alleged "gassing operations"!

Pressac wrote:Document 1 gives the numbers of the nine (1173/74 counts as a single drawing)
Bauleitung drawings of the “Projected Krematorium” given to Herr Zadore (one of the
Huta foremen working at Auschwitz), and which were supposed to be returned to the
Bauleitung once the static calculations had been completed. In fact, Huta received
four more drawings of the future Krematorium II – 935, 937, 1300 and 1541 – and the
complete set of drawings was not returned to the Bauleitung until the end of July
1943 [Document 1 bis]. Thus the initial drawings of the two main Birkenau
Krematorien, II and III, spent ALMOST A YEAR “floating around” in a civilian firm*
whose employees were subject to no oath of secrecy of any sort and were free to talk
outside.


[*] correction: firm not "form" as Pressac wrote.
http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0315.htm

"Camouflage" is one more ludicrous argument added to support the hoax. It can be believed only by people who have no idea of how work drawing offices and subcontractors of a construction.

Furthermore, at Birkenau the 4 Kremas were located at places which were openly under the sights of thousands of no Jewish prisoners every day. Barbed wire fences and not high opaque walls made the limitation of the respective areas. To maintain SECRECY was IMPOSSIBLE because no particular precaution was taken to do so. The reason is simple: there was NOTHING TO HIDE. That is why all those sonderkommandos who pretend to have worked on "gassing operations" at those places and insist in such "secrecy" on their "testimonies" are a bunch of LIARS.

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Germania » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:46 am)

actually the killing of the Jews with poison gas was considered "human", and therefore nessecary, by the SS. on the other hand,your industrial incinerator fantasy would have been considered an atrocity and therefore rejected a priori.

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby KostasL » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:05 am)

Germania wrote:actually the killing of the Jews with poison gas was considered "human", and therefore nessecary, by the SS. on the other hand,your industrial incinerator fantasy would have been considered an atrocity and therefore rejected a priori.


Everybody could organize a better industrial extermination than these Nazis did. :?

At Nurnberg they should be tried for total incompetence. :lol:
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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Germania » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:29 am)

rather not,the disfranchisment, expropriation, detention of Jews in most areas of Europe, the deportation to extermination sites and the murder with gas and body disposal of Millions of Jews could hardly be better implemented by anyone else. in this sense the Holocaust is a success story and any jews, who were not killed by the Nazis, were not so because of technical or logistical reasons, but because of political etc. reasons.

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Thesaint » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:52 am)

Germania wrote:you may derive as much possible reasons on theoretical or practical grounds for a different killing agent,but zyklon-B reamins the first choice for two reasons: a) it was available in Auschwitz and b) it worked fine.there was no reason to think of any other killing agent to begin with.

C) Any gassing chemicals would have been completely superfluous in the alleged "processing" operation considering the laughable storyline of sardine-like(can you "entice" 20 sardines into a cubic decimetre? :oops: ) Jews crammed into air-tight "gas" chambers,but hey-ho.Any old rubbish will do for the Goyim slobs,eh Germania?
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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Germania » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:55 am)

no, it wasnt because the the germans wanted to kill the victims specifically by poison not by lack of oxygen.

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Thesaint » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:04 am)

Germania wrote:no, it wasnt because the the germans wanted to kill the victims specifically by poison not by lack of oxygen.

Of course,the old German gas fetish.I bet Hitler must have been in seventh heaven amidst all those erotic gas-clouds in ww1. :lol:
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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Germania » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:14 am)

Thesaint wrote:
Germania wrote:no, it wasnt because the the germans wanted to kill the victims specifically by poison not by lack of oxygen.

Of course,the old German gas fetish.I bet Hitler must have been in seventh heaven amidst all those erotic gas-clouds in ww1. :lol:

its just that the Nazis believed poison was the most human way to mass-kill. this is why they used CO-gas, gasoline engine exhast and Zyklon-B and why burning alive and suffocation were avoided.

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Thesaint » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:42 am)

Germania wrote:
Thesaint wrote:
Germania wrote:no, it wasnt because the the germans wanted to kill the victims specifically by poison not by lack of oxygen.

Of course,the old German gas fetish.I bet Hitler must have been in seventh heaven amidst all those erotic gas-clouds in ww1. :lol:

its just that the Nazis believed poison was the most human way to mass-kill. this is why they used CO-gas, gasoline engine exhast and Zyklon-B and why burning alive and suffocation were avoided.

You forgot the alleged underground nuclear detonations.Or the alleged giant halls that had metal flooring that electrically incinerated the Jews where they stood.You are also forgetting that there was also talk from the ever-truthful chosenites regarding alleged "blast furnaces" in the hysterical "Germans are demons" psy-op free-for-all of 1945.
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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Zulu » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:21 am)

Of course,the old German gas fetish.I bet Hitler must have been in seventh heaven amidst all those erotic gas-clouds in ww1. :lol:[/quote]
its just that the Nazis believed poison was the most human way to mass-kill. this is why they used CO-gas, gasoline engine exhast and Zyklon-B and why burning alive and suffocation were avoided.[/quote]
You forgot the alleged underground nuclear detonations.Or the alleged giant halls that had metal flooring that electrically incinerated the Jews where they stood.You are also forgetting that there was also talk from the ever-truthful chosenites regarding alleged "blast furnaces" in the hysterical "Germans are demons" psy-op free-for-all of 1945.[/quote]


Don't forget the "steam chambers" in action at Treblinka!
All duly proved by Russian "evidences" at Nuremberg.

Nobody seems to be surprised that numerous men like Elie Wiesel and his father who were injured and ill at Auschwitz had been able to go through the "selections".
The most astonishing case concerning famous people is Ann Frank. The girl fell ill at Auschwitz . Nevertheless, the SS managed to send her to Bergen Belsen to be better cured.
Why didn't they sent her to the so practical "gas chambers" to solve that case?

There are thousands of similar cases involving Jewish people at nazi camps. For which reasons did SS break "extermination rules"?

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Hektor » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:33 am)

Germania wrote:actually the killing of the Jews with poison gas was considered "human", and therefore nessecary, by the SS. on the other hand,your industrial incinerator fantasy would have been considered an atrocity and therefore rejected a priori.
And you would be able to show us a definite document to support the claim you are making here? Or is that just another Holocaustian phantasy?

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby Germania » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:14 am)

And you would be able to show us a definite document to support the claim you are making here?


The claim is quite obvious true, unless you believe the leading germans at the time were all sadists. anybody who believes so,seems to suffer of a kind of Goldhagen-desease.anyway, here are the documents.

Höppner to Eichmann, 16. Juli 1941:

"Es ist ernsthaft zu erwägen, ob es nicht die humanste Lösung ist, die Juden, soweit sie nicht arbeitseinsatzfähig sind, durch irgendein schnellwirkendes Mittel zu erledigen"

http://books.google.de/books?id=RTRxfOa ... 1&lpg=PA21

Becker to Rauff, 16. Mai 1942:

"Durch diese Maßnahme erleiden die zu Exekutierenden den Erstickungstod und nicht wie vorgesehen, den Einschläferungstod."

http://www.ns-archiv.de/einsatzgruppen/ ... -rauff.php

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Re: Why use Zyklon-B? CYANOGAS is the superior killing tool!

Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:53 pm)

Höppner to Eichmann, 16. Juli 1941:

"Es ist ernsthaft zu erwägen, ob es nicht die humanste Lösung ist, die Juden, soweit sie nicht arbeitseinsatzfähig sind, durch irgendein schnellwirkendes Mittel zu erledigen"


This one doesn’t fit the timeline and so doesn’t make any sense in terms of extermination. In July of 1941, the negotiations with the French on Madagascar were still going on. The bulk of Jews in Poland weren’t even in concentration camps yet, they were in ghettos. Auschwitz was still a POW camp and camp for non-Jewish Poles, and construction of Birkenau was still just speculation. Jews in Germany were mainly at liberty with civil restrictions, Riga didn’t fall until July 4, so deportations from Germany to Latvia didn't begin until August. Jews in Bulgaria were at liberty under civil restrictions. Jews in occupied Europe, Italy, Hungary and Romania were free without any restrictions. If such a decision was ever made, Pressac points out that such a decision to begin exterminating Jews didn’t happen until October or November of 1941. There’s nothing here about extermination, they must be talking about deportation, and only for German, Czech and Polish Jews.

Becker to Rauff, 16. Mai 1942:

"Durch diese Maßnahme erleiden die zu Exekutierenden den Erstickungstod und nicht wie vorgesehen, den Einschläferungstod."


That.s that silly ass Rauff document, the document Rassinier sneered at as “a letter from a lieutenant to a captain”, hardly proof of national policy. And it refers to gas vans, which are technologically impossible. The same document states that clapper valves should be added as an improvement, whereas they would have had to be added from the beginning if you didn’t want to split the seams of the cab, and that rubber hoses, which can't carry hot exhaust, were used to connect the engine to the cab. And again, this doesn’t fit the timeline for the camps. According to Pressac, modifications for homicidal use began at Auschwitz in November of 1942. In May, Belzec was only just beginning operations, but again according to Pressac, only as a transit camp. Sobibor and Treblinka were still under construction. The only “death camp” then existing was Chelmno, which depended on the impossible gas vans, and there are only two documents (one of them this one) in existence that say that such a camp ever existed. Even if the Rauff document was legit, it has nothing to do with mass gassings in big rooms in camps.


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