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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 9 years 8 months ago (Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:32 pm)

It looks like, from this:

http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/treblinka-lie.htm


that that scan photo wasn't part of the articles shown (The Canberra Times or THE EXAMINER)

It looks like it was just inserted between those two articles.

The source of the link is - Historical Review Press, but it says their source was - The National Journal.

We're getting closer!

Anyone know anything about - The National Journal, or remember when this first came out?

This is the google link I got

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si ... =treblinka

that took me to the - Historical Review Press link I showed.

I can't say for certain at this point, but it sure doesn't look like that scan photo was ever printed in a newspaper.

Is anyone else doing any searching on this?

What do ya got?
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 9 years 8 months ago (Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:58 pm)

Maybe Irving was the source!

Check out note #181 in this article:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n5p26_Zaverdinos.html


Now check out the date of that article:


Bibliographic information Author:
Costas Zaverdinos
Title:
The [Germar] Rudolf Case, [David] Irving's Lost Libel Suit and the Future of Revisionism

Source:
The Journal for Historical Review (http://www.ihr.org)

Date:
September/October 2000

Issue:
Volume 19 number 5
Location:
page 26
ISSN:
0195-6752
Attribution: "Reprinted from The Journal of Historical Review, PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659, USA. Domestic subscriptions $40 per year; foreign subscriptions $60 per year."



Looks like Irving's got some splainin to do!

And looks like Lamprecht was on to something from the get go.

Also note that Irving gave his source as the JHR article, but that article didn't have that photo in it.

Or maybe it did? Has anyone confirmed for sure that that photo wasn't in the magazine? (I'm not talking about the web article.) It did come out as a magazine, right?


So what came first, Irving's article, or the Historical Review Press piece?

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Lamprecht » 9 years 8 months ago (Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:28 am)

Irving's photo seems to have the bottom portion of the image intact - the HRP doesn't.

Compare:
http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/treblinka-lie.htm
Image
Where's the status bar?

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Treblink ... dscan.html
Image


The image found on Irving's page is also of higher quality, so perhaps the HRP took the bottom portion off and compressed the image - they lowered the quality to make it a smaller file size.

But it's clear that Irving must have had it before the HRP, you can't improve the quality of an image and add part of it to the bottom like that.
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 9 years 8 months ago (Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:25 am)

So what came first, Irving's article, or the Historical Review Press piece?


Lamprecht


Irving's photo seems to have the bottom portion of the image intact - the HRP doesn't... it's clear that Irving must have had it before the HRP



Good eyes Lamprecht!

Yes, it would be impossible for Irving's photo to be a copy the HRP image.


Lamprecht, as far as you know, has anyone ever challenged Irving on this?
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 9 years 8 months ago (Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:26 am)

So in this article, with the photo of the scan:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Treblink ... 91000.html


Irving sites as his source, this article, that doesn't have a photo of the scan:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html


The photo was just inserted into the text, without any further embelishment.

But here, in another part of his website:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Treblink ... dscan.html

He expounds on the photo.


Lamprecht, have you had any luck contacting Krege?

Are you going to contact Irving?


Also, isn't it funny that Irving is now claiming that hundreds of thousands of jews were killed at Treblinka?


From: David Irving
Sent: Apr 8, 2009 2:38 PM
To: hoaxbuster
Subject: Re: Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor

hoaxbuster wrote:

Dear Mr. Irving,

This is the second time I am asking you for an explanation.

FPB


I refer you to the many statements I have made in public. These include but are not limited to my biographies of Dr Joseph Goebbels (1996) and of Hitler (1977, 1991, and 2002), where I describe in detail the mass shootings of Jews and others behind the eastern front.

My statements in both the UK Lipstadt trial (2000) and the Vienna trial (2005) left no doubt that I believe (accepting that the Höfle document and Korherr report are not forgeries) the Nazis and their accomplices murdered 2.4 million Jews in the "Reinhardt" camps along the Bug River (Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor);



Look at the top of the third link in this post.


The International Campaign for Real History

Using modern technology to establish Real History



So why did Irving abandon this Idea of "using modern technology to establish Real History?"

My guess is there wasn' enough money in it for him.

Maybe he couldn't feed his ego enough by "using modern technology to establish Real History."

And hasn't money and ego always been his #1 concern?


I would like to see Irving use modern technology to back up his claims that 2.4 million jews are buried at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Lamprecht » 9 years 8 months ago (Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:44 am)

Pepper,
I don't think anyone has challenged Irving on the image, and I will contact him, Krege, and the Canberry Times when I get home from school later tonight.
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 9 years 8 months ago (Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:20 pm)

Lamprecht

I don't think anyone has challenged Irving on the image, and I will contact him, Krege, and the Canberry Times when I get home from school later tonight.



Great. Please keep us informed.



jnovitz


The scan was originally from the canberra times or the adelaide advertiser and was presumably provided by Krege to the paper himself.



Can you tell us how you know this?

Can you prove it?

(Remember jnovitz, this isn't rodoh.)


From: David Irving
Sent: Apr 8, 2009 2:38 PM
To: hoaxbuster


And since Mr. Berg already has a dialogue going with Irving, would you also try and contact Irving on this Issue?


I'll send an email as well.

Edit:

Done. Anyone who would like to email Irving, here is his email address:

[email protected]

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Malle » 9 years 8 months ago (Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:39 pm)

May I shed some light over a few questions in this thread (or add more confusion?).

The original article on the URL http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html didn’t contain the GPR image. Proof here:
_v19#3_page20.pdf
(244.56 KiB) Downloaded 128 times


If I recall correctly, the ”Australian revisionists” published the image where Krege was one of them. Irving probably got one image too via email.


The video circulated by the revisionists at that time is here:
http://www.codoh.com/video/treblinka.mpg
or
http://www.codoh.com/video/treblinka.mpg
I must be a mushroom - because everyone keeps me in the dark and feeds me with lots of bullshit.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Lamprecht » 9 years 8 months ago (Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:37 pm)

My messages have been dispatched - One to Irving, Canberra times, and Adelaide Institute each.
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 9 years 8 months ago (Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:32 pm)

Malle:

If I recall correctly, the ”Australian revisionists” published the image where Krege was one of them.



Published it where?

Who was the first person / site to publish this photo?

And where did the photo come from?


Malle:


Irving probably got one image too via email.



Hopefully this information will be clarified by Irving himself.

Thanks.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 9 years 8 months ago (Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:39 am)

I got a reply from Irving.

But he didn't answer my question.

I asked again.

We'll see if he answers it this time.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Drew J » 9 years 8 months ago (Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:03 pm)

Muehlenkamp locates teeth at Treblinka!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5290

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby jnovitz » 9 years 8 months ago (Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:05 am)

Can you tell us how you know this?

Can you prove it?

Here is there web link to the Canberra Times:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/


Here is the web link to the adelaide advertiser[code][/code]

http://adelaideadvertiser.newspaperdire ... iewer.aspx


Certainly I can.

If it so important to you send me a message and we can discuss an appropriate fee to cover time and costs.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 9 years 8 months ago (Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:20 am)

jnovitz


The scan was originally from the canberra times or the adelaide advertiser and was presumably provided by Krege to the paper himself.



Pepper

Can you tell us how you know this?

Can you prove it?



jnovitz

Certainly I can.



Hey that's great jnovitz.

Let's start with you telling us how you know this and then we'll get to you're proving it after that.

So jnovitz, please tell us how you know that:

"The scan was originally from the canberra times or the adelaide advertiser and was presumably provided by Krege to the paper himself."


This should help us a lot.

Thanks in advance jnovitz.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby jnovitz » 9 years 8 months ago (Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:35 pm)

Actually I may be wrong as I was thinking of this link
http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/treblinka-lie.htm

which only creates the impression of the photo being published there and it probably wasnt.

So I base my belief this is a Krege scan on the basis that it was on a number of websites and has never been denied by Krege. If it was on Toeben's website that would represent a fairly definitive acknowledgement of authership.

Incidently, I have dropped in on the middle of this discussion and I am struggling to understand your point here Pepper?

Do you agree Krege went to Treblinka yes or no?
Do you agee he took GPR scans there, yes or no?

What problem do you have with this being one of these scans - given in any circumstances we are really on Krege's honesty in not substituting those scans he took in poland with some from his backyard.


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