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Re: Germany was innocent! Best Docu ever(german)

Postby PatrickSMcNally » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:35 pm)

Heydrich wrote:that inaccurate Table Talk garbage from Picker written after the war.

The Enigma edition of HITLER'S TABLE TALK is a very authentic-sounding document. Unfortunately, it cuts both ways (like much else). On the one hand, it clearly lacks any references to gas chambers. There is a passage which at first glance might sound as if Hitler were describing an extermination of Jews, but later in the text he refers again to dumping Jews somewhere in a swamp in eastern Europe in a way which contradicts any earlier inference of systematic extermination. This text was obviously not put together by anyone trying to sell the standard message of Holocaustomania. On the other hand, there's no escaping the fact that Hitler comes through in this text as a fairly old-fashioned racist imperialist who derided Slavs in a very bad fashion. He doesn't sound like the devil of the century, but he comes off as a fairly typical kind of chauvinist such as was once quite common. He envisioned the conquest of Russia to be the key to solving all of Germany's economic problems and never had any other solution apart from that. The Soviet Union as a military force was dismissed by him as late as the start of 1942. His comments make clear that Russians are to be no more than a source of cheap labor whose literacy level is to be restricted down to the minimum necessary for them to follow directions from the German colonial settlers. His tone here only began to shift when it started becoming clear that actual Soviet military capability was much more than he had allowed for in his early expectations of a 6-week campaign. The myth that all of this was done without incurring debt is just that. Hitler himself makes it clear in his own statements that he regards debts as something which will be paid for through expansion, but not that he has any plan of what to do with the German economy apart from such expansion:

I have already said that the payment of the debts contracted during the war presents no problem. In the first place, the territories which we have conquered by force of arms represent an increase in national wealth which far exceeds the cost of the war; in the second place, the integration of twenty million foreign workers at cheap rates into the German industrial system represents a saving which, again, is greatly in excess of the debts contracted by the State. A simple calculation, which curiously enough seems to have escaped the notice of the majority of our economic experts, will show the correctness of this contention; the foreign worker earns approximately a thousand marks a year, in comparison with the average yearly earning of two thousand marks by German workers. Work out what this comes to in toto, and you will see that the final gain is enormous.
In the assessment of the national wealth I had to explain even to Funk, who, after all, is Economic Minister of the Reich, how the standard of living of the German people had been very considerably raised by the system of employing foreign labor which we had introduced. One has only to compare the cost of local labor with that of German labor abroad to see that this must be so.
History shows that no country has ever been ruined on account of its debts. You may take it from me that our economists can sleep comfortably and regard the problem of war costs and debts with the utmost optimism.
-- Hitler's Table Talk, May 4, 1942.

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Re: Germany was innocent! Best Docu ever(german)

Postby PatrickSMcNally » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:59 pm)

ClaudiaRothenbach wrote:the first genocide of WW2 was a polnish crime.
The genocide was prepared

This calls to mind some comments by Arthur Butz from a quarter century ago when he cautioned against a tendency for people to refer to "Israeli genocide" when speaking of the colonial wars carried on by Israel. It bears repeating that such a flippant use of the term "genocide" only breeds political confusion. The outbreak of war in 1939 bears some clear resemblance to the war in Kosovo more than a decade ago, with the important difference that the US was unequivocally the sole great power in 1999 and so there was less risk of the Kosovo war turning into a major war. But the relevant parallels here do not simply count in Hitler's favor. The Polish government proved itself to be suicidally arrogant over Danzig, but Hitler had already displayed a similar arrogance of his own when he tore up the Munich accord and annexed the Czech region in March 1939. Had Hitler not done that, the confrontation over Danzig would have taken place with Chamberlain supporting his demands for territorial rearrangements. Under such conditions, Poland would have been forced to relent and that would have been that. It grew into a bigger crisis because in the tit-for-tat of international relations Hitler's annexation of the remnants of Czechoslovakia in March 1939 meant that Chamberlain was pressed poliitcally at home to commit himself to unconditional support for Poland. Tossing around the term "genocide" in relation to these events only obfuscates things, as was the case with Kosovo a decade ago.

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Re: Germany was innocent! Best Docu ever(german)

Postby annrandr » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:08 pm)

McNally nowhere demonstrates that R & S (authors) have twisted any facts. McNally repeats the wholly debatable Table Talk
as the basis for Hitler's view on the USSR. Stalin's War proves that Hitler merely beat Stalin to the punch. Hitler knew from
Molotov's increasing demands that the alliance was never going to last. Hitler was not at all a nice guy as many people
here seem to think but he never thought of colonizing the USSR or that they were an easy mark. He should have invaded
in the spring and it would have been a better outcome for Germany but he was NEVER going to hold onto the USSR as a
whole. He might have hoped for a collapse of Stalin's brutal tyranny which already found the USSR around thirty million
citizens short in the 1937 Census by the NKVD or its predecessor. See Walter Krivitsky's In Stalin's Service.
Hitler may have thought the Ukraine was wasted on the Ukrainians as Taylor notes in Origins but he never had any plans
to resettle Germans there. On Czechoslovakia McNally repeats robotically the standard Western-Communist lies.
Read Taylor on this, Hitler never wanted Prague or any part of Bohemia and he abided by Munich. The artificial Czech State
disintegrated as a natural result of Munich and the initial Sudenten secession. Then the Hungarians, Poles and Slovaks
wanted out. Hitler was invited by the Czech State as the only power that could keep the whole thing from falling apart.
The Forced War by David L. Hoggan documents numerous Polish atrocities against Germans in Poland well before the
German invasion. I have a feeling that Table Talk is in the realm of the much quoted Hermann Rauschnigg books which
were later exposed as frauds. It was Chamberlain's failure to stand up for Munich policy in the face of the Tory warmongers
like Cooper, Eden, Churchill, Amery, ad nauseum, which produced the second world war. Labour was more influenced by
Jewish concerns. As far as Kosovo that was a total fraud to begin with, there was never any Serb genocide and maybe
2,000 Kosovars were killed but many more Serbs were killed in the Allied bombing in Belgrade AND hundreds of thousands
were ethnically cleansed by the Maoist gangsters who ran the KLA. I do agree with McNally that genocide is overused and
should be reserved for actual cases like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and the rightist Guatemalan state since 1954. The US bombed
the Chinese Embassy on purpose in Belgrade among other atrocities.

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Re: Germany was innocent! Best Docu ever(german)

Postby Heydrich » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:56 am)

He envisioned the conquest of Russia to be the key to solving all of Germany's economic problems and never had any other solution apart from that.


Germany had no economic problems in the late 30', but was the most successfull modern economy by western standards in the world at that time. Don't believe crap, which tells otherwise, or prove it. Allied countries and others still did not overcome the recession of 1929, Roosevelts New Deal failed. Germany became too powerful and had to be destroyed just because of that, Churchill says that several times. They wanted German markets, which even though jewish boycott for German goods existed since 1933 and had quite an impact on foreign trade, still were huge.

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Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:38 pm)

Yesterday's announcement by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that Israel has made unprecedented "concessions" is so insane that I must say the following about America.

America is a mentally-deranged nation, a paranoid nation, a kind of luxury lunatic asylum for the criminally insane with NO comprehension of world affairs, or history, or cultures–not even its own. Of all the nations on the planet, America has the least reason to be frightened by events in Europe or elsewhere since it has vast security moats on its west and east and passive neighbors north and south, And yet, it has foolishly meddled again and again into foreign affairs which are of no real interest or importance to the vast majority of its people–unless they can be driven by fantasies of imminent doom and horror.

WW1 and WW2 were wars of aggression against Germany. Although Germany technically may have started WW2, the stage was carefully set by the jealousy of the British and French and even America. It was Hitler who had succeeded in countering the world depression with an economic miracle which has been unmatched in all of human history. The Czechs and Slovaks knew that, as anyone with half a brain in central Europe knew it also, and that was why they acquiesced–no shots were fired–when Hitler incorporated those peoples as protectorates into the Reich. But, for the mad-dog anti-Nazis, that was their rallying call for another war against Germany.

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Re: Germany was innocent! Best Docu ever(german)

Postby German » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:00 am)

"Germany started WW II Technically"
Well I am not so sure about that.
The Glewitz incident was a hoax too, as has been posted here.
Since the strange statement of one single person after the war is the only official "proof", the story does not really hold .
The following explanation, on the contrary does that.
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/ ... GlenI.html
There was a white-book written by the German government/state about this episode, shortly after. Does anybody know where to find the text?

Not long ago there was an article about the incident in the magazine "After the Battle". The text is like a novel, complete with pathetically "true" episodes describing key figures such as Hydrich & Himler being furious, for this and for that, and strange extreme details about how houses looked like in the area. Pure BS!
Conclusion; The Poles did start the war by this small assault, because they (meaning the jews in control) hoped that this would trigger Hitler to respond.
And this is also what Hitler told at the speech the day after. Simple. These false flag operations are what the jews always have done, the germans never.

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Re: Germany was innocent! Best Docu ever(german)

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:22 am)

Thanks for the above post by "German" which is intriguing, to say the least. I have already corrected my earlier post, just above German's, by inserting the words: "may have." I am not entirely sure myself at this point as to exactly how the war was started.

According to John Toland's Adolf Hitler page 573 -- at about 7 pm of September 1 and after German forces had been victorious on all parts of the front, Ribbentrop still informed the British that "the Fuehrer is prepared to move out of Poland and to offer reparation damages provided that we receive Danzig and a road through the Corridor, if England will act as mediator in the German-Polish conflict.." World War could have been avoided but Hitler's more than reasonable offers were totally rejected.

A major part of the problem is that Britain, France and the US never really cared about democracy or self-determination if it did not totally serve their interests.
We see the same disregard for fundamental principals in Iraq and the Palestinian territories even to this day.

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