Irvings sites hacked by thugs?

[Mojo]

What the hell?

To David Irving and all aspiring white-power, anti-immigrant,
queer-bashing, racist pigs - give it up! We will fight you on the streets and on
the internet until you are swept into the dustbin of history.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/

[PotPie]

Leftist antifa types, likely Marxist, probably smoked a fat doobie while typing that. Name-calling is the best that these post-pubescents can come up with. Chances are this child never even read Irving's site or his writings and developed a hatred of him by internalizing the second-hand gossip fed to him by those in his political circle he looks up to.

[PotPie]

I just came across this in a webforum:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Controversial ... ,_Nov_2009

Summary: Attached is an email message database for the controversial holocaust historian David Irving. The email addresses used by Mr. Irving are [email protected] and [email protected]. The data was passed to WikiLeaks by an 'anti-fascist' hacker.

[ASMarques]

Leftist antifa types, likely Marxist, probably smoked a fat doobie while typing that.

Fat chance, IMHO.

Name-calling is the best that these post-pubescents can come up with.

Note the selective name-calling and almost comical style:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/david-irving/

In the e-mail, the hackers wrote: “We did this to expose this Nazi-sympathizer for who he is and to shut down/disrupt any possibility of Irving rearing his fascist head in public during his tour. To David Irving and all aspiring white-power, anti-immigrant, queer-bashing, racist pigs [Wasn't it Holmes who solved a crime because a dog had not barked?] - give it up! We will fight you on the streets and on the internet until you are swept into the dustbin of history.”

[....]

Santomauro said there was an inkling that something was wrong about half an hour before the hacker’s email arrived when Irving contacted him to tell him the New York event had been canceled and asked how his detractors could have learned the location. The two had only discussed it among themselves by email and by phone.

“Apparently [the hackers] have been monitoring his AOL for a certain amount of time,” Santomauro said.

He told Threat Level he suspected the Jewish Defense Organization was behind the hack. He says he’s been targeted himself by protestors from this group and others who have harrassed him outside his apartment building and hacked the account for a Yahoo study group he runs.

[PatrickSMcNally]

Leftist antifa types, likely Marxist,

Anarchists are much more likely, like the Anti-Racist Action types who went after Zundel back in the old days. That's assuming it's not the JDL as has been suggested by others. But outside of groups like the JDL or ADL, anarchist groups like the ARA are more likely to go for this type of approach.

[Inquisitive]

WE'RE BACK!....................

APOLOGIES for our absence! The traditional enemies destroyed our websites on November 13th, costing us thousands of dollars.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/index1.html

[kk]

Hacked again...

[Ilikerealhistory]

Hacked again...

No it works for me. Did you try clearing your cache or history?

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/index.html

[borjastick]

I happened upon a story in one of today's online media outlets about Julian Assange being an anti-semite, anti-zionist and holocaust denier. Following some online jumping and wiggling I arrived at the wikileaks hack on David Irving, something I had not heard of though it happened in 2009.

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/david-i ... s-2009.txt

On the page of emails hacked it shows how he was on his talking tour of the eastern US in 2009 when this happened. The emails are a fascinating read not least because it shows his character and personal style when describing people and locations. Not sure he is deliberately rascist or just very old school 'British'. Below is an example from the hacked emails.

You find a Paki corner shop with the black and yellow WESTERN UNION side
outside. Any one will do. Take photo ID, e.g. a paspsort.

Whilst these emails don't reveal much about the holocaust and his position on it they are well worth reading. He does make one comment about Churchill not ending the war easily in 1940 which would of prevented the holocaust happening. I don't quite know the events to which he referenced there, perhaps someone can advise.

Dynamite holocau$t Talking Point
From: Donald E. Pauly <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; laine lawless <[email protected]>;
[email protected]; [email protected]
Date: Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:47 pm

Mr Irving:

I just watched you at the Oxford debate at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMv6FNXMQk with great interest in
spite of the horrible sound. Can you find a better version to post?

You have a dynamite sound bite that you should use frequently.
Churchill, by not stopping the war when he could have done so cheaply
in 1940, caused the holocau$t. It forced Germany into a corner. You
should continually blame the Jews who controlled Churchill with
causing their own disaster. Also blame the Jews for the loss of your
empire and the immigration invasion caused by it. As Reichminister
Goebbles, of Blessed Memory, loved to say, "The Jews are to blame.".

These emails also show how much interference and trouble was caused on this talking tour by lefty, zionist, political anarchists and how underhand they can be when they try to confront someone telling the truth they don't like.

It's a classic case of free speech being protected at all cost only when what is being said chimes with your beliefs, otherwise SHUT IT DOWN!!!

[flimflam]

" He does make one comment about Churchill not ending the war easily in 1940 "

Just so happens I summarized the case in a letter to the publisher of my kid's 8th grade history text, which included the line

"Hitler had no interest in avoiding war".

I wrote ....

Note that Hitler did not declare war on Britain or France, Britain and France declared war on Germany. Hitler did everything in his power to avoid war with the west.

The British and French declarations of war followed the German invasion of Poland, and that invasion followed months of failed negotiations between Germany and Poland over the fate of Danzig and the Danzig corridor. These were areas populated mainly by Germans that had been ceded to Poland following WW I. It was Hitler intention to regain control of these areas and he negotiated for months with Poland in an effort to do so. Buchanan describes the negotiations in his book 'Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War', pg. 245:

"Hitler invited Beck (Polish foreign minister) to Berchtesgarten on January 5, 1939. ...
'On Hitler's part is was a remarkably moderate demand' writes British historian Basil Liddel Hart. But again Beck rebuffed Hitler. Hitler offered to guarantee Poland's borders and to accept permanent Polish control of the Corridor, if Beck would simply agree to the return of Danzig and the construction of a rail-and-road route across the Corridor. Beck again refused"

Elements in Britain and France wanted a war with Germany, and for that reason these nations had signed a tripwire treaty with Poland that they would enter the war if Germany attacked. It was this treaty that emboldened Poland and led to their refusal to negotiate with Germany.

Liddell Hart: "The Polish guarantee was 'foolish, futile, and provocative, an ill-considered gesture that placed Britain's destiny in the hand of Polish rulers, men of very dubious and unstable judgement. The Polish Guarantee was the surest way to produce an early explosion, and a world war. It contained the maximum temptation with manifest provocation. It incited Hitler to demonstrate the futility of such a guarantee to a country out of the reach of the West, while making the stiff-necked Poles even less inclined to consider any concession to him, and at the same time making it impossible from him to back down without 'losing face'."

For a good account of the lead up to and causes of the war from the German perspective see the You Tube video -
Hitler's War - What the Historians Neglect to Mention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mA0kk29DBA

Note that after Germany had defeated Poland Hitler immediately tried to avert a wider war ...

"Adolf Hitler had hoped that France and Britain would acquiesce in the conquest of Poland and quickly make peace. On 6 October, he made a peace offer to both Western powers."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France

That was refused, and after a six month 'phony war' or 'sitzkrieg', with the British and French mobilizing for war, Germany defeated and occupied France. Again Hitler tried to avert more war .... going sol far as to drop leaflets over Britain ... https://mk.christogenea.org/articles/last-appeal-reason



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This leaftet follows a speech you can hear on YouTube
Hitler's Victory - A Final Appeal for Peace and Sanity, July 19th, 1940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXqc21mLtSQ

This should give you some idea of the reality of the events early in WW II, and the extent of the lies that are commonplace in US education. Hitler was ready to make every concession to Britain to avoid war, but forces in Britain and the US wanted war (see President Roosevelt's Campaign To Incite War in Europe:
The Secret Polish Documents
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html
and they got it.
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Note: they are replacing the offending line with another less offensive one, but one that still portrays the Nazis as the instigators of the war.

[Moderator]

flimflam:
Perhaps your last post belongs in the WWII forum.
Thanks, M1