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Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Ilikerealhistory » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:57 pm)

Wikipedia says under "shrunken heads" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrunken_heads
"After World War II, two shrunken heads were found at the Buchenwald concentration camp that were thought to have belonged to prisoners. One of them was subsequently presented as evidence at the Nuremberg Trials by U.S. Executive Trial Counsel Thomas J. Dodd."


This quote seems a little biased. It does not say whether they were proven to be genuine prisoner heads. It lightly insinuates that they were real by stating "presented as evidence." I read that these heads were proven to be from before the war. I would think that some kind of test (carbon dating, etc) could be used to authenticate the time period these heads were made. What were these heads doing in Buchenwald? Were they planted there by the Soviets , or could they have been brought in by inmates as personal/family property.

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Inquisitive » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:37 am)

shrinking heads was never a German custom.........
Watched a National geographic about the process. It's quite detailed and disgusting. Only so many "tribes" were able to do it and still do by the way. They never mentioned Germans. hmmmmmmmm

So the question is: Since the crime was so obvious and so horrible, why the need to plant evidence that doesn't even belong in European culture?

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Pappy Yokum » 1 decade 4 months ago (Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:08 pm)

There was a fellow who did some research on the Buchenwald shrunken heads. He had website devoted to it. Let me see if I can find it.... Here it is..
http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/nazishrunkenheads/

The study concludes the heads were probably brought there by an American soldier, Lt. Albert Rosenberg, who had previously been stationed in Brazil. The heads may have been obtained there or from some German collection and brought to Buchenwald by him. In any case, the heads do not appear to have been made from dead Caucasians. The story they came from Poles killed for dating German women is not substantiated.

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Christof » 9 years 1 week ago (Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:01 am)

A document concerning the shrunken heads of Buchenwald was recently brought to my attention.Unfortunately learning German is still on my not so short list of things to do so I can't make heads or tails out of it.

It is apparent that even some of the SS thought that these kinds of things are going too far, because a letter to the Buchenwald Pathology Department asks that the manufacturing of shrunken heads etc. will stop.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-o ... -8-01.html


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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby ovd1965 » 9 years 1 week ago (Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:08 am)

I am sure , everyone find these "gifts" impiously.
But is there a proof , that men are killed for making gifts ?

And it seems to be not unusual for human race to make such items.

Is there also an Stop order for making desk items or nice gifts from bones of dead japanese soldiers ?

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Christof » 9 years 1 week ago (Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:05 pm)

I forgot to add that Nizkor's reference for this image appears to be:

Buchenwald, Mahnung und Verpflichtung, Dokumente und Berichte.
Roederberg-Verlag, Frankfurt, 1960. (unnumbered page)


buchenwald-doc01.ref

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/buchenwald/ftp.py?camps/buchenwald//images
"All the concentration camps were, after all, vast transit camps.The inmates were constantly changing, passing from one camp to another, coming and going." Balachowsky:IMT vol.VI pg.317

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 9 years 1 week ago (Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:19 am)

Considering the thesis in the video "Buchenwald A Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil" that the whole thing was a Psyche Warfare Operation, then the document asking the pathology department to quit making those shrunken heads would have been a Psyche Warfare planted object also. Crafty, quirky disinformation such as this is the kind of thing Psychological Warfare does. The idea that the SS is so terrible but even some in their ranks thought "hey the shrunken heads and curios is going too far." It's funny when you think about it.

If planting a shrunken head and creating a belief in a tattooed skin lampshade, is in the Psyche Warfare realm, then is a paper document also in the realm of something Psyche Warfare might plant?

If in 1943, SS judge Konrad Morgen spent months looking for corruption at Buchenwald, including interviewing inmates and asking them if they'd been sexually assaulted by Ilse Koch, then do you think the SS would just send a note saying "hey cut this out" about something as crazy as human material curios?

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby The Warden » 9 years 1 week ago (Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:59 pm)

So let's see if we have the story straight here:

1. We're supposed to believe the same Germans who hated the Jews and "intentionally" eradicated them from the face of the Earth (so much that a trace of them can't be found) by the millions, were actually willing to stare at Jewish shrunken heads around the camps every day for no particular reason? What... were they running out and started missing them?

2. We're supposed to believe a document states there were so many heads rolling around that they required an official stoppage of the "super-secret" program directive? Why wasn't this document destroyed with the other coincidental missing items? If this was such a secret program, why the document?

3. We're supposed to believe out of all these heads that were apparently clogging up the time of medical personnel and taking up valuable camp space, that only two of them made it to Nuremberg? And they suddenly vanished afterwards?

4. We're supposed to believe that EVEN IF this nonsense was true, that somehow 2 random heads is the causation of the deaths of MILLIONS of Jews? Why couldn't they be the heads of Typhus victims? Maybe those two simply died of infection.

Or wait... How about... A wizard cast a bad luck spell on them. :cheers:

Good grief. :roll:
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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Hannover » 7 years 5 months ago (Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:38 pm)

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Amazing what one could do with a German typewriter.
Notice the lack of official stamps which was the rule for official 'Nazi' communication.

You gotta love the long hair:

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They don't even look the slightest bit European or ashkenazi Jew.

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 5 months ago (Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:47 pm)

The Warden wrote:So let's see if we have the story straight here:

1. We're supposed to believe the same Germans who hated the Jews and "intentionally" eradicated them from the face of the Earth (so much that a trace of them can't be found) by the millions, were actually willing to stare at Jewish shrunken heads around the camps every day for no particular reason? What... were they running out and started missing them?


Actually they were alleged to have been Polish, but anyone with half an eye can see at a glance that they were Amazonian.

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Dresden » 7 years 5 months ago (Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:39 pm)

Excerpt from a document concerning the shrunken heads of Buchenwald:

"It is apparent that even some of the SS thought that these kinds of things are going too far, because a letter to the Buchenwald Pathology Department asks that the manufacturing of shrunken heads etc. will stop"

Excerpt from an article debunking the shrunken heads:

"If planting a shrunken head and creating a belief in a tattooed skin lampshade, is in the Psyche Warfare realm, then is a paper document also in the realm of something Psyche Warfare might plant?"

There probably was an original document in the form of an order from the top Brass at Psyche Warfare stating something like:

"Hey.....you guys are going way too far with that "Shrunken Heads" crap; now, knock it off!"

And seeing that they were not going to be able to "produce" any more shrunken heads; and to answer future questions of: "Hey, did you guys find any more shrunken heads?"; they "created" the document about the SS ordering the creation of shrunken heads to be stopped, when , in reality, the real order came from their own superiors at Psyche Warfare!
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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Goethe » 7 years 5 months ago (Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:50 pm)

Steve F wrote:And seeing that they were not going to be able to "produce" any more shrunken heads; and to answer future questions of: "Hey, did you guys find any more shrunken heads?"; they "created" the document about the SS ordering the creation of shrunken heads to be stopped, when , in reality, the real order came from their own superiors at Psyche Warfare!

Astute observation, Steve F. These are the same imbeciles who call a bomb shelter door a "gas chamber door". Oh, und we can't forget about the equally ridiculous & discredited Jewish soap.
And for you movie fans, the Buchenwald video by DenierBud shows footage of director Billy Wilder (Hollywood's own) staging the table of Buchenwald props.
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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 7 years 5 months ago (Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:59 am)

"In October 1948, General Clay commuted Ilse Koch's sentence to four years, causing an international uproar.

According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades were really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by General Clay years later:

"There was absolutely no evidence in the trial transcript, other than she was a rather loathsome creature, that would support the death sentence. I suppose I received more abuse for that than for anything else I did in Germany. Some reporter had called her the "Bitch of Buchenwald," had written that she had lamp shades made of human skin in her house. And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that the lamp shades were made out of goat skin."

According to the Buchenwald Report, there was a factory at Buchenwald, which produced leather goods out of animal skins, but it had caught on fire during an Allied bombing raid on the camp on August 24, 1944."

(...)

In his autobiography, entitled "Decision in Germany," General Clay wrote the following:

Among the 1672 trials was that of Ilse Koch, the branded "Bitch of Buchenwald," but as I examined the record I could not find her a major participant in the crimes of Buchenwald. A sordid, disreputable character, she had delighted in flaunting her sex, emphasized by tight sweaters and short skirts, before the long-confined male prisoners, and had developed their bitter hatred. Nevertheless these were not the offenses for which she was being tried and so I reduced her sentence, expecting the reaction which came. Perhaps I erred in judgment but no one can share the responsibility of a reviewing officer. Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized this action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record before me. I could take action only on that record.
(...)

According to Arthur Lee Smith, author of "Die Hexe von Buchenwald," the American government put pressure on the Germans to put her on trial again in 1949 on charges of ordering the murder of Buchenwald inmates.

(...)

The German court found Ilse Koch guilty of one count of incitement to murder, one count of incitement to attempted murder, five counts of incitement to severe physical mistreatment of prisoners, and two counts of physical mistreatment. In January 1951, she was again sentenced to life in prison. While not finding her guilty of ordering prisoners killed for their tattooed skin, the court did take judicial notice that there was no doubt that lamp shades made from human skin had been found at Buchenwald, even though it had not been proved that Ilse Koch had ordered these lamp shades to be made. :bootyshake:
(...)

But Joseph Halow, who claims to have seen a lamp shade which was displayed in the courtroom during Isle Koch's trial, thinks that it was not made of human skin. He wrote the following description in his book, "Innocent at Dachau":

During my time at Dachau, I saw one of the "human-skin" lampshades. It looked like translucent skin, approximately one-quarter of an inch thick, and was adorned with a tattoo somewhat fuzzy in outline, not at all like the distinct tattooed figures I was familiar with. The shade must have struck me as rather odd, for I recall some puzzlement at the look of the skin and the crude tattoo. In those days, it would never have occurred to me that the human lampshade was a cruel and vulgar hoax.

(...)

Today, visitors to the former Buchenwald concentration camp near Weimar can see a dimly-lit basement room, shown in the photograph below, with a display sign that says this is the very room where the skin was flayed from the dead bodies of tattooed prisoners. After being exhibited at various war crimes trials, including the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, the three large pieces of tattooed human skin, but not the lamp shade, found at Buchenwald were sent in 1951 to the Army Medical Museum, now called the National Museum of Health and Medicine, in Washington, D.C.

(...)

According to an article in the Washington Post on June 24, 2001, written by Jeff Leen, the lamp shade which was allegedly made of human skin is nowhere to be found. On June 23, 1995, Ken Kipperman, an American Jew who was born in Poland in 1946, requested to see the evidence from the Dachau trial of Ilse Koch and was allowed to view a piece of tattooed leather labeled "USA 258." According to the Post article, Kipperman had his picture taken with the skin, which he was told was part of the evidence shown at the Nuremberg trial. The tattoo showed a nude woman with butterfly wings. The Post article said that the tattooed skin "did not appear to be part of a lampshade, because it was not properly shaped and had no perforations for stitching."

In his quest to find the missing human lamp shade from the Ilse Koch trial, Kipperman located an article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, headlined "Ex-Officer Has Human Skin From Ilse Koch's Home." According to Jeff Leen's story in the Washington Post, "The article quoted Lorenz Schmuhl, who as a U.S. Army major commanded Buchenwald upon liberation. Schmuhl, the article said, had taken home camp souvenirs and kept them in a glass-covered bookcase in his basement in Michigan City, IN: two large tattooed skins, a human-skin book cover and "most pieces of the famous lampshade." Kipperman found a photograph of Schmuhl's souvenir skins that had run in the Indianapolis Star in 1949. The picture was blurry, but the skins, sectioned into trapezoids, appeared to have holes along the edges, as if they had been strung together around the frame of a lampshade. He found another picture showing the top of the lampshade on the table at Buchenwald. He could see two oddly cut corner pieces that clearly matched two of Schmuhl's souvenirs." According to the Washington Post, Schmuhl sold the lamp shade pieces to a collector who later got rid of them because he couldn't stand to look at them.

Jeff Leen wrote that he had also interviewed Robert Wolfe, who said that pieces of the lampshade are stored in Washington, DC. "The lampshade I certainly saw," said Wolfe, now 80. "Four pieces. They were shaped in a trapezoid form." Wolfe said he saw them 10 to 15 years ago at the main Archives. But Tim Nenninger, who replaced Wolfe, told the Washington Post reporter that no leather lampshade is stored in the Archives today.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScr ... Koch4.html

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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby borjastick » 7 years 5 months ago (Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:58 am)

Once again with modern day science we see that the Jews have been caught out. Let us remember that the jews in control of the USHMM and their friends in Federal Govt. are a force to be reckoned with. We know that they hold considerable power.

We also know that the so called human skin lampshades are kept somewhere in a government archive. Finally with DNA testing there is an absolute answer waiting for our friendly holocaust promotion team. So why is it that we have no definitive answer via DNA tests to prove the human skin conundrum once and for all?

Of course, silly me I must be having a senior moment, because it isn't human skin! So as usual we are treated to monumental lies that are left floating like so much confetti in the wind, to attract the ignorant. But when an absolute answer is to be had easily they run a mile. It's the same old same old strategy of lies and obfuscation coupled with total avoidance of the available truth when offered. Just like excavation of Treblinka, HCN residue tests in Auschwitz etc.

For the holocaust promoters the truth is a very strange bedfellow...
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Re: Shrunken Heads Buchenwald

Postby borjastick » 7 years 5 months ago (Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:45 am)

And there's more...

I remember in the early seventies a female relative of mine, I think a cousin, came back from two years as a christian missionary in the Amazon. She had so many wonderful tales to tell and also wonderful items to see. These included a stuffed pirahna fish complete with rows of sharp teeth, and a shrunken head, very similar to those shown in this thread. In my ignorance I totally bought into it. Then she told me that it was fake, though it did have human hair.

These false shrunken heads were made by indiginous indians as tourist fodder.

Just a thought...

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