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The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 3 months ago (Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:58 pm)

It's strange that some people feel the need to perjure themselves in the deluded belief that they are helping others, often times they just make it worse.

You'll note that he never actually saw a Gas Chamber just that when he inquired of some ppl he'd met he was told they'd "gone up the Chimney", well yes, that's what happened when you died from a variety of causes in these camps, your remains were Cremated for Sanitary reasons.

According the Mr Avery, 3 Million were "worked to death in different factories" which we know is ludicrous because even the "Official" Death toll for Auschwitz is only 1.1 Million & he doesn't actually site (or sight) a single person as being "gassed".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8382457.stm

The man who smuggled himself into Auschwitz

When millions would have done anything to get out, one remarkable British soldier smuggled himself into Auschwitz to witness the horror so he could tell others the truth.[/b]

Denis Avey is a remarkable man by any measure. A courageous and determined soldier in World War II, he was captured by the Germans and imprisoned in a camp connected to the Germans' largest concentration camp, Auschwitz.

But his actions while in the camp - which he has never spoken about until now - are truly extraordinary. When millions would have done anything to get out, Mr Avey repeatedly smuggled himself into the camp.

Now 91 and living in Derbyshire, he says he wanted to witness what was going on inside and find out the truth about the gas chambers, so he could tell others. He knows he took "a hell of a chance".

"When you think about it in today's environment it is ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous," he says.

"You wouldn't think anyone would think or do that, but that is how I was. I had red hair and a temperament to match. Nothing would stop me."

He arranged to swap for one night at a time with a Jewish inmate he had come to trust. He exchanged his uniform for the filthy, stripy garments the man had to wear. For the Auschwitz inmate it meant valuable food and rest in the British camp, while for Denis it was a chance to gather facts on the inside.

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He describes Auschwitz as "hell on earth" and says he would lie awake at night listening to the ramblings and screams of prisoners.

"It was pretty ghastly at night, you got this terrible stench," he says.

He talked to Jewish prisoners but says they rarely spoke of their previous life, instead they were focused on the hell they were living and the work they were forced to do in factories outside the camp.

"There were nearly three million human beings worked to death in different factories," says Mr Avey. "They knew at that rate they'd last about five months.

"They very seldom talk about their civil life. They only talked about the situation, the punishments they were getting, the work they were made to do."

He says he would ask where people he'd met previously had gone and he would be told they'd "gone up the chimney".

"It was so impersonal. Auschwitz was evil, everything about it was wrong."

He also witnessed the brutality meted out to the prisoners, saying people were shot daily. He was determined to help, especially when he met Jewish prisoner Ernst Lobethall.

'Bloody marvellous'

Mr Lobethall told him he had a sister Susana who had escaped to England as a child, on the eve of war. Back in his own camp, Mr Avey contacted her via a coded letter to his mother.

He arranged for cigarettes, chocolate and a letter from Susana to be sent to him and smuggled them to his friend. Cigarettes were more valuable than gold in the camp and he hoped he would be able to trade them for favours to ease his plight - and he was right.

Mr Lobethall traded two packs of Players cigarettes in return for getting his shoes resoled. It helped save his life when thousands perished or were murdered on the notorious death marches out of the camps in winter in 1945.

Mr Avey briefly met Susana Lobethall in 1945, when he came home from the war. He was fresh from the camp and was traumatised by what he'd witnessed and endured.

At the time both of them thought Ernst was dead. He'd actually survived, thanks - in part - to the smuggled cigarettes. But she lost touch with Mr Avey and was never able to tell him the good news.

The BBC has now reunited the pair after tracing Susana, who is now Susana Timms and lives in the Midlands. Mr Avey was told his friend moved to America after the war, where he had children and lived a long and happy life. The old soldier says the news is "bloody marvellous".

'Ginger'

Sadly, the emotional reunion came too late for Ernst - later Ernie - who died never even knowing the real name of the soldier who he says helped him survive Auschwitz.

But before he died Mr Lobethall recorded his survival story on video for the Shoah Foundation, which video the testimonies of Holocaust survivors and witnesses. In it he spoke of his friendship with a British soldier in Auschwitz who he simply called "Ginger". It was Denis.

He also recalled how the cigarettes, chocolate and a letter from his sister in England were smuggled to him in the midst of war.

"It was like being given the Rockefeller Centre," he says in the video.

Mr Avey traded places twice and slept overnight in Auschwitz. He tried a third time but he was almost caught and the plan was aborted.

He suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder when he came back from the war and has only recently been able to speak about what he did and what he saw.

He admits some may find it hard to believe and acknowledges it was "foolhardy".

"But that is how I was," he simply says.
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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 3 months ago (Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:59 am)

Professor Faurisson has had it out in the ether for some time now. "Show me or draw me a gas chamber."

With all the "eyewitnesses" etc, I still have not seen a drawing, let alone a photo.

It's a bit like saying, 'he was eaten by a wild cat', ... well draw me the tiger/lion/puma/jaguar/whatever...

Nobody has the courage, because nobody saw anything. They are all too afraid to put themselves on the spot. It may turn out he was eaten by Mr Fluffy, who is napping on my lap.
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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby PotPie » 1 decade 3 months ago (Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:05 pm)

A couple claimed witnesses such as Bacon and Olere have drawn gas chambers. I haven't looked into Olere yet, but I have Bacon, and he's a fraud.

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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby Thesaint » 1 decade 3 months ago (Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:21 pm)

"He admits some may find it hard to believe"

Never mind,at least the scrupulously honest and well-researched Biased Beast Corporation saw fit to publish his laughable fantasy.

"He also recalled how the cigarettes, chocolate and a letter from his sister in England were smuggled to him in the midst of war."
"It was like being given the Rockefeller Centre," he says in the video."


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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 3 months ago (Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:36 pm)

PotPIe: A couple claimed witnesses such as Bacon and Olere have drawn gas chambers.

Sorry, did I leave out the word 'credible' drawing. I thought it was implicit. If there were any credible pictures the 'never forget' mob would jam them down our throats every day. All we really have is:
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This guy was obviously stretched on the rack before being gassed and cremated.
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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby PotPie » 1 decade 3 months ago (Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:36 am)

Bacon's drawings are hilarious. Nice, tidy, detailed exterior building drawings... When it comes to the inside of the gas chambers, however, the pictures are basically a ceiling, a wall, a couple support beams and a lot of hazy scratch lines. I haven't looked closely at Olere yet.

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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby Malle » 1 decade 3 months ago (Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:10 pm)

PotPie wrote:Bacon's drawings are hilarious... I haven't looked closely at Olere yet.


Well, if you find Bacon's drawings hilarious, I don't know what you will say about Olere. :D Sneak preview here:
http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0493.htm (used as documents in Pressac's AUSCHWITZ: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers)

To see this lowlife's drawings, just Google images for 'Olere'.
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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby Ilikerealhistory » 1 decade 3 months ago (Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:25 pm)

Malle wrote:
PotPie wrote:Bacon's drawings are hilarious... I haven't looked closely at Olere yet.


Well, if you find Bacon's drawings hilarious, I don't know what you will say about Olere. :D Sneak preview here:
http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0493.htm (used as documents in Pressac's AUSCHWITZ: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers)

To see this lowlife's drawings, just Google images for 'Olere'.


:lol: :roll: :roll:
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This picture shows a women that is over 2 times the size of the door opening. The guy with the gun looks Soviet: He has a PPsh. He might even be Spock with those pointed ears.

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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby Malle » 1 decade 3 months ago (Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:06 pm)

I believe Olere’s most famous drawing is this one: :hello1:

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This famous eyewitness draws flames high out of the chimney. Ridicules.
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Re: The "Witness" who actually Witnessed nothing

Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 months ago (Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:47 pm)

MrNobody wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8382457.stm

The man who smuggled himself into Auschwitz

When millions would have done anything to get out, one remarkable British soldier smuggled himself into Auschwitz to witness the horror so he could tell others the truth.[/b]


Items of note in this article:

First, he was not smuggled into Auschwitz. As a British soldier, he ended up at the British POW camp there.

Second, he wasn’t even at Auschwitz. The POW camp and the Jewish camp he snuck into are both at Monowitz/Buna, miles from Auschwitz.

Third, it’s no big deal that he got cigarettes and chocolate from his sister. In his Nuremburg testimony, Sergeant Charles Coward, the British soldier assigned at Monowitz as the Red Cross Liason, mentions how the German guards were envious of the rich packages the British soldier’s received from home, and how the British threw some over the fence to the Jewish camp and also used the packages to bribe the guards. (By the way, the Wikipedia article on Coward is filled with some of the most fantastic nonsense about his activities, such as smuggling in dynamite to the Sonderkommando – Coward didn’t even know they existed.)

Fourth, the only place Denis Avey visited in borrowed clothing was the Jewish camp at Monowitz (Coward apparently did this too). Nobody has ever said that extermination took place there. Avey did this only three times and made sure he slipped out by the end of the day to avoid detection at the roll calls, which means he must have seen very little.

Fifth, while Avey passes on a lot of hearsay about people being shot, it is clear he himself never witnessed any such thing. At the Jewish camp at Monowitz, Elie Weisel, who apparently had no knowledge of the British POW camp right on the other side of the wire from where he was, details only one punitive hanging, and one person shot while trying to steal food during an air raid.

Finally, while Avey says three million people were worked to death, the Auschwitz State Museum itself states that only about one million, three hundred thousand people were ever sent there during the entire life of the camp. To be fair to Avey, he doesn’t say that all three million people were worked to death at Auschwitz. But, to his discredit, he doesn’t say where that happened.

I expected a much better article than this from the BBC, which is just about the only credible news source left in the world.


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