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DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 9 years 3 months ago (Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:44 pm)

DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

The ongoing trial of John Demjanjuk in Munich, Germany is another anti-German horror show to appease the victors of World War 2, especially the Jews. Demjanjuk can no longer be accused of operating a genocidal diesel engine in Treblinka but perhaps he can be convicted of something else. Perhaps he operated a genocidal diesel engine in Sobibor. Perhaps he was merely a guard. In any event, the Jews are clearly obsessed with blood lust and must punish Demjanjuk for something, one way or another. In the good old days just after the war, it was so easy for prosecutors to find people like Ada Bimko to lie for them under oath: "Yes, your honor, I actually saw Demjanjuk kick a dozen Jews to death when they refused to wipe his boots fast enough." If nothing else worked, testimony like that was still good enough to hang any Nazi or SS member. What's more, “eyewitnesses” who were eager to lie like Bimko were easy enough to find among the anti-Nazi fanatics in the former camps. That was, after all, precisely why many of them had been put into concentration camps in the first place. But today, the prosecutors cannot simply trot out “eyewitnesses.” The possible “eyewitnesses” are all dead. Demjanjuk, ironically, has outlived them all.

The new (and probably last) Demjanjuk trial, this time in Germany (no other country would touch the case), is a farce. Where one might expect some new insights into whatever happened at Sobibor, one gets nothing. From a recent Reuters story about the Demjanjuk trial, one can not even tell whether the deadly mixture of carbon monoxide and (now) carbon dioxide was from a diesel engine, or a gasoline engine, or any kind of engine. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BK1N320091221

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But, why bother with such details? Everyone knows it happened! To have any doubt about the crimes is a horrible sin. To actually express doubt, openly, is punishable with imprisonment---and rightly so according to Elie Wiesel. http://www.shalomdelaware.org/page.aspx?id=211623 It is not any yearning for historical truth or understanding (Vergangenheitsbewältigung) that motivates these German prosecutors and judges. Their purpose is to appease the Jews who monitor everything. The trial is a form of national groveling at the feet of Germany's true masters. For the Jews, the trial is about revenge against a helpless old man who escaped their hangman in the past, a symbolic anti-Semite or scapegoat. It is another media op to vent more hatred and lies. Appeasing Hitler was evil---appeasing Jews is moral and good! We must give those pathological Jews everything they want---forever, and ever. That is the great "moral" lesson being taught here.

Consider all that is unknown about those engines (diesel or gasoline) that supposedly made the gas that killed millions. Those engines are surely the most spectacular devices for mass murder in all of human history. Who made those engines? Was it Mercedes-Benz, or Deutz, or GM, or Ford, or who? When were they purchased, and installed, and by whom? Who serviced or repaired the engines. Supposedly, there was a two-hour and 49 minute delay (measured with a stopwatch) in the diesel gassing witnessed by Kurt Gerstein because the diesel would not start. How was that corrected? Imagine how profitable it would be for the Jews if they could only show---somehow---that the genocidal engines were made, or installed, or repaired by any of the large corporations that are still out there today. Those corporations could be blackmailed and bled white for years. Such an opportunity!

Surely, to fight global terrorism and protect Jews from "another holocaust," we must understand how automotive engines were used to commit such monstrous crimes during WW2. Perhaps we should simply ban all such engines. If we really care about the "holocaust" as much as we pretend, then surely we must take such questions seriously. If the next al-Qaeda terrorist kills some Jews in America with diesel exhaust, or gasoline engine exhaust---it will be so embarrassing. The heads will roll at homeland security. How big and powerful were those murderous engines in Nazi Germany? What fuel was used? At what rpm did the engines operate? Was there any external load on the engines? Are there any records at all for these marvelous murder weapons? Is there any scientific, forensic or medical evidence or literature to show how these engines might have actually killed masses of people? Although there are some anecdotal claims made after the war about the engines, they are so contradictory and vague that they are worthless even by the shabby standards of holocaust historiography. They are hardly ever even mentioned in the holocaust literature any more. Every snippet of info from one "eyewitness" is contradicted by at least one other snippet from another "eyewitness." Many "witnesses" merely heard that such and such had happened. Was the engine really from a Soviet T-34 tank as was sometimes claimed, or from a Russian submarine as Eichmann seems to have claimed? The anti-German prosecutors and holocaust promoters can't keep their lies straight---and, they have nothing better to offer.

Surely, if the evidence really were "overwhelming," we would at least know something! Was the engine a diesel engine as was almost universally claimed by "holocaust scholars" until recently---or what? Nothing is known about those genocidal engines because the gassing story really is pure rubbish. It never happened!

There are no German documents showing that even one person was ever gassed in Sobibor, or anywhere else. There are no exhumed corpses with autopsies showing death from gas in Sobibor, or anywhere else. There are no cremains (bone fragments after cremation) in Sobibor, or anywhere else showing death from poison gas or any other kind of foul play. There is not even an extermination methodology that makes any sense forensically or technically.

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The Holocaust story is a hoax because 1) no one was killed by the Nazis in gas chambers, 2) the total number of Jews who died in Nazi captivity is miniscule compared to what is alleged.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Drew J » 9 years 3 months ago (Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:18 pm)

The John Demjanjuk chronicles (starting from May2009)
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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Drew J » 9 years 3 months ago (Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:20 pm)

"Perhaps he operated a genocidal diesel engine in Sobibor. "

"Was the engine a diesel engine as was almost universally claimed by "holocaust scholars" until recently---or what? "


Sorry to nitpick, but I believe they have switched from diesel and gone to petrol engines now. At least Muehlenkamp has.
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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 9 years 3 months ago (Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:47 pm)

Well, that bit about Muehlenkamp is nitpicking. He and the clowns at "holocaust controversies" are NOT taken seriously by anyone in the entire world outside of their own tiny circle.

There is NOT even one book that has ever been published anywhere, ever, that refers to their work or uses anything resembling, even remotely, their claims or arguments. If you think I am wrong--show me.

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The Holocaust story is a hoax because 1) no one was killed by the Nazis in gas chambers, 2) the total number of Jews who died in Nazi captivity is miniscule compared to what is alleged.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Drew J » 9 years 3 months ago (Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:48 am)

Well I wouldn't use the fact that they don't get published as an attack on the validity of what they say. They show their non-validity themselves as Gerdes has shown us. If our internet work is slowly changing people's minds, then anyone on the internet who counters us simply can't be ignored just because they are not published in book form.

From what I have seen on Roberto's and Sergy's work, they have dug up primary resources on real nazi witnesses that actually testify (tortured or not - that is another issue) to pretol engines instead of diesel ones - which is why Roberto and Sergy say the diesel issue is moot. So if the holocaust mainstream can't even pick up on these updates from other extermination theorists, that just shows how pathetic they really are. That they can't even keep up to date with guys like Roberto who, at the very least, appear to be trying to stay current. But it also shows they really don't have a hope in hell of convincing truely rational people about Demjanjuk's alleged crimes.

That being said, I don't really buy the whole petrol thing either. My reasons are contained in those old links I gave out.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 9 years 3 months ago (Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:31 am)

Well, I think I have allowed for the emergence of revisionists within the exterminationist crowd by saying:

"Was the engine a diesel engine as was almost universally claimed by "holocaust scholars" until recently-


By embracing the gasoline engine alternative theory, the exterminationists have simply given themselves some other very serious problems because victims of gasoline exhaust exposure are bright cherry red with only few exceptions. The witnesses that Muehlenkamp and Romanov cite from National Socialist Mass Murders with Poison Gas by Kogon, Langbein and Rueckerl are easily exposed as outright liars. They are even easier to expose than the witnesses to supposed diesel gassings such as Kurt Gerstein. Gerstein claimed the corpses were blue and so did some of the gasoline exhaust witnesses also. Some claImed there was nothing noticeable about the appearance of the corpses. None claimed the victims were red except--for one case for Sachsenhausen witnessed allegedly by a forensic doctor (Dr. Kurt Leidig?) who would have known the right answer.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Drew J » 9 years 3 months ago (Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:27 am)

Totally agree with you Friedrich. I know that Muehlenkamp and co like to blame blue corpses on the weather and the lack of oxygen they were getting when being gassed or some explanation like that.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 9 years 3 months ago (Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:59 pm)

Are there any actual certified transcripts of the hearings to show that the supposed "eyewitnesses" actually made those statements, Muehlenkamp? Or did you, as I suspect, simply take the word of Kogon, Langbein and Rueckerl? Courtroom "summaries" are not good enough. I am interested in actual transcripts.

BTW, Muehlenkamp, since you are so determined to take up residence here at CODOH--you might also take my simple little SANITY test. All of your buddies at RODOH refused to give any real answers. So, how about you?

And BTW also, victims of simple asphyxiation--do NOT appear blue either. So, even that alternative theory has no merit as any kind explanation for "bluishness." Your so-called "eyewitnesses" lied--it is that simple.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby sziszlow » 9 years 3 months ago (Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:44 am)

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:There are no German documents showing that even one person was ever gassed in Sobibor, or anywhere else. There are no exhumed corpses with autopsies showing death from gas in Sobibor, or anywhere else. There are no cremains (bone fragments after cremation) in Sobibor, or anywhere else showing death from poison gas or any other kind of foul play. There is not even an extermination methodology that makes any sense forensically or technically.


Greetings Freidrich, I will begin by posting a portion of my one and only post on the forum thus far.

I do not have any first hand survivor testimony, but I have first hand testimony, of home grown, local lads who watched the Einsatz and Police units march into their towns and villages, joined local police and militia units and helped carry out the destruction of the Jews. From roundups to the killing fields these guys saw it all. Later many of them were moved to the camp systems in Poland, and some got there via being POW's and were offered a way out by becoming wachmen.

Given my gene pool, and carrying a philosophy that history is a done deal, I take into consideration that human civilizations have chased each other for the mantle of the most atrocious deed we can visit on our fellow man, I judge no one. I am an understanding listener and because of these things I literally have been the audience to death bed testimony from more than a few who are left from my fathers group of friends. I know what happened, I know what they did when they went to work, I know what they did in their off time, I know about the alcohol fuelled pogroms in the East and Baltic States, I know about their interaction with the SS staff at camp, I know how they survived to get out of Europe. This knowledge received as I received it coupled with my fist hand background leaves me in no doubt as to the truth of what I have been told, but that is no good to anyone other than me as these guys do not speak up for obvious reasons. They feared the reprisal of the Jews every day of their lives and I could see it reflected in all of them, even the gregarious ones.


I am fifty next next birthday. What am I to think when I read the revisionist information that argues on facts and not emotion, given that If I am not lying to the forum in regard to the testimonies that these old guys in my immediate family trusted me with in regard to their war time experiences are not figments of their imagination. Their testiments to me were not fluid and all encompassing but rather these men who had a hatred of the Jews from childhood (a few told me that as children they would throw a pigs head down the wells that the Jewish villagers drew their water from to piss them off) and they told me of the organized murders of the Jews in the east and the Baltic states that they were an active part of. I did not dare ask more of them than they would tell. So I would sit with these old men and we would drink and smoke and they would tell me of the events that they participated in, and some attempt to justify their actions (particularly in regard to the women and children) by relating the wretched childhoods and teen years that they endured at the hands of the Soviets and how the Jews were like a protected species that did not suffer as they did.

None of them mentioned the gassings but some of them told me that they worked in the KZ's in Poland and Germany as guards after the east was Jew free. Why would they keep their war time experience from every one close to them and relate it to me at the end of their lives if it was not true. These were ordinary men who loved their families and kept a low profile especially if the judiciary or police were involved. But even as a teen I felt that these men who kept a closed social circle had something to hide, and some thirty years later they disclosed to me. I know these men, it is not information from google that I rely on to make up my mind as to the events of the era. Be it gas or typhus or physical abuse the Jews copped a flogging. I do not know if it was 6 million or 1 million but the Jews copped it for sure. Personally and I do not know how I came to think this I believe the Jews are manipulative and self serving as a group, if you are not a Jew you are alien to them and if you are a Jew they still discriminate amongst themselves based on your country of heritage. I myself am getting old but the truth is the truth and I know that my people did horrid things to them, something that even the old women in my family aluded to without going into detail.

Are the Zionists capable of dis information...absolutely, but there is a core truth to their lies. My people lost more souls than the Jews in a shorter time frame but we cop it sweet, history is history.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Inquisitive » 9 years 3 months ago (Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:16 pm)

This is supposedly what they're accusing him of:
Prosecutors have charged Demjanjuk, who fought in the Red Army before being captured by the Nazis, of helping to push Jews into gas chambers at Sobibor death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland in 1943.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01011.html

That's a bold defined accusation. Must have taken a long time to personally push 27,900 into that facility. Sure would help if they could prove there was a gas chamber there. Poor guy can't even stand up yet they persist.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Drew J » 9 years 3 months ago (Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:49 pm)

Hmmm. Why was Muehlenkamp's post deleted from this topic? If what he says is so wrong, why not just leave it up to attack? Why is it gone? Seriously, is anyone threatened by him?

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Moderator » 9 years 3 months ago (Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:11 pm)

It was deleted because of multiple guideline problems, he had been warned previously.

No one is directly threatened by him, but allowing posts at this forum which are off topic and unresponsive to challenges is disruptive.
Only lies need to be shielded from debate, truth welcomes it.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Drew J » 9 years 3 months ago (Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:29 am)

He did seem to raise some important issues such as certain witness testimonies. I was hoping the names he mentioned could have been left up so maybe some users, including me, could have dug around for them, looked at them, criticized them and posted an assessment. I guess I will have to go around digging on rodoh to find what he really says where I'm sure he has battled Mr. Burg before on the issue.

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby grenadier » 9 years 3 months ago (Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:59 am)

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He did seem to raise some important issues such as certain witness testimonies. I was hoping the names he mentioned could have been left up so maybe some users, including me, could have dug around for them, looked at them, criticized them and posted an assessment. I guess I will have to go around digging on rodoh to find what he really says where I'm sure he has battled Mr. Burg before on the issue.


Drew, there is nothing new to Roberto's babblings about the skin discoloration issue and yes, he has debated this at rodoh with several people and had his head handed to him. His objections are mostly obfuscation. Nothing new there either.
Regarding witness testimonies in this connection, I recommend you read the article by Thomas Kues on the subject:
http://codoh.com/newrevoices/nrtkco.html
It covers the subject in depth, including the witness accounts. It might interest you to know, in an amusing way, that Roberto, who now claims the issue of the engine to be moot, spent over 5 years - I kid u not - "proving", again and again, how technically possible it was to gas masses of people with Diesel exhaust! :mrgreen:
Below, the excerpt from Thomas article, concerning what the witnesses said, be sure to read the whole article though.

4. Eyewitness descriptions of alleged carbon monoxide victims at Bełżec, Sobibór, Treblinka, and Chełmno


Witness 1: Kurt Gerstein.

As a captive of Allied forces in France, former SS hygiene technician Kurt Gerstein wrote a number of reports in which he claimed to have witnessed a mass gassing at Bełżec in August 1942. In the two reports indisputably written by Gerstein in French on April 26, 1945, the bodies of the gassing victims are described in the following way:

The blue bodies are thrown, damp with sweat and with urine, the legs full of excrement and menstrual blood.[29]

In the German language Gerstein reports designated T III and T VI by Henri Roques the word “blue” is not present. It is likewise not present in the French text T Va, dated to May 6, 1945. The German text T IV contains no corresponding passage.

Regarding the blueness of the Bełżec corpses and the issue of cyanosis, see Section 2 above.


Witness 2: Wilhelm Pfannenstiel

The professor of hygiene at the University of Marburg-Lahn Dr. Wilhelm Pfannenstiel allegedly accompanied the aforementioned Kurt Gerstein on his trip to Bełżec in August 1942. After the war, Pfannenstiel was arrested but never sentenced to prison. Instead he was on a number of occasions summoned as a witness for the prosecution in trials dealing with the alleged homicidal gas chambers at the Reinhardt camps. In 1950 he testified before a court in the German city of Darmstadt:

I noticed nothing special about the corpses, except that some of them showed a bluish puffiness about the face. But this is not surprising since they had died of asphyxiation.[30]

Since Pfannenstiel was without question familiar with the texts of the Gerstein reports, it is fully possible that he also derived his description of the corpses from one of the two French texts. As an alternative, it can not be excluded that Pfannenstiel, with his thorough background in medicine and hygiene studies, was familiar with asphyxiation symptoms and thus also able to fabricate a vague description with the ring of authority. As for the Pfannenstiel testimony I once again refer to Berg's article summarized above.


Witness 3: Karl Alfred Schluch.

SS-Unterscharführer Karl Alfred Schluch was posted at Bełżec from June 1942 until early summer 1943. His work at the camp up until December 1942 supposedly involved accompanying the naked Jewish victims through the camouflaged “sluice” which led to the gas chambers. Schluch was acquitted at the trial of former Bełżec camp personnel held in Munich in 1963. In connection with this trial the witness made the following statement regarding the bodies of the gas chamber victims:

The corpses were at least partially besmirched with excrement and urine, others in part with saliva. The lips and nose tips of some of the corpses had turned blue. With some the eyes were closed, with others the eyes had rolled.[31]

Now it is possible that the lips, and possibly also the nose tips, of carbon monoxide victims would look purple-bluish as a result of cyanosis. The problem is that this is the only kind of discoloration that the witness claims to have been aware of. Are we to believe that Schluch noticed a few purple-bluish lips, but completely missed the large red discolorations?


Witness 4: Adolf Eichmann

RSHA:s Adolf Eichmann testified during his trial in Jerusalem that he had visited three camps were carbon monoxide was allegedly used to exterminate Jews: Chełmno (Kulmhof), Treblinka, and an unidentified camp in the Lublin area commonly assumed to have been Bełżec. Only in regard to the first camp does Eichmann claim to have witnessed the bodies of the alleged victims. This is how Eichmann described the murder of Jews in “gas vans” at Chełmno:

I went myself to a small wood and just as I got there the omnibus also arrived, it pulled up beside a pit which had been dug up, the doors were opened and out of them poured corpses, down into the pit. One upon the other. It was a ghastly inferno. No, a super-inferno. To me they looked as if they were still alive. But now each and all of them were dead.[32]

Thus according to Eichmann the corpses of the victims looked the same way as when they had been alive. The vagueness of the description makes the testimony weak evidence in any case, but it might be assumed that Eichmann would have noticed and remembered large red discolorations on the corpses from the gas vans, if he had in fact seen any.


Witness 5: Jankiel Wiernik.

Jankiel Wiernik is one of the earliest and most important Treblinka witnesses. Wiernik included the following description of the victims’ countenance in his account One Year in Treblinka, originally published in Poland in 1944:

They no longer shouted, because the thread of their lives had been cut off. They had no more needs or desires. Even in death, mothers held their children tightly in their arms. There were no more friends or foes. There was no more jealousy. All were equal. There was no longer any beauty or ugliness, for they all were yellow from the gas.[33]

The arguably most important of the Jewish Treblinka witnesses thus describes the gas chamber corpses as yellow, a color hardly confused with cherry red.


Witness 6: Rudolf Reder.

The witness Rudolf Reder, born in 1881, is supposed to have spent a significant portion of his nearly four month long stay at Bełżec dragging corpses from the camp’s alleged gas chambers to massive burial pits. On December 29, 1945, Reder was interrogated by the Polish Judge Jan Sehn. Regarding the physical appearance of the gas chamber victims, the witness stated:

I was often on the ramp at the moment the doors were opened, but I never smelled any odor, and on entering a chamber right after the doors were opened I never felt any ill effects on my health. The bodies in the chamber did not show any unnatural discoloration. They looked like live persons, most had their eyes open.[34]

The Bełżec key witness Reder is thus clearly of the opinion that the gassing victims displayed no cherry-red discoloration.


Witness 7: Eliahu Rosenberg

The Jewish witness Eliahu (Elias) Rosenberg supposedly spent several months working in close proximity of the alleged Treblinka gas chambers, dragging thousands of corpses from the “death chambers” to mass graves. In a 12-page typewritten deposition in German which Rosenberg left in Vienna on December 24, 1947, the appearance of the gas chamber victims is described thus:

The corpses were very bloated, their skin looked gray-white and easily peeled off, so that it hung from them like shreds. Their eyes protruded and the tongues hung out of their mouths.[35]

Rosenberg’s description of the hue of the corpses is clearly not consistent with the red discoloration resulting from carbon monoxide poisoning.

In addition to the above seven eye-witnesses, Yiddish writer Rachel Auerbach writes in her essay “In the Fields of Treblinka” from 1946 that “the bodies were naked; some of them were white, other were blue and bloated.”[36] Auerbach had not herself been interned at Treblinka, but visited the remains of the camp in 1945 as part of an official inspection tour. Her essay is reportedly based on written testimony and talks she had with former Treblinka inmates. Another secondary account derives from the writings of a certain Jacob Mittelberg, who spent only a few hours in Treblinka before being transferred to Majdanek. Mittelberg visited the site of the “death camp” after the war in the company of Rachel Auerbach and a number of former Treblinka inmates, who told him that “when the doors of the gas chambers were opened, the people were blue and so pressed together as to be unrecognizable.”[37]

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Re: DEMJANJUK: Scapegoat for Madness

Postby Drew J » 9 years 3 months ago (Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:48 am)

It might interest you to know, in an amusing way, that Roberto, who now claims the issue of the engine to be moot, spent over 5 years - I kid u not - "proving", again and again, how technically possible it was to gas masses of people with Diesel exhaust!

This doesn't surprise me. Remember I was the one who took that Sergy article 'why the diesel issue is moot' and looked at every witness he named, summarized what they said and then attacked them one by one on this board. I showed how if the holocaust mongers were dropping the diesel issue by admitting that those who claimed diesel never really saw it themselves, and then were deciding to go with petrol instead, then they couldn't also out of the other side of their mouth, try and slavage the witnesses who still talked about diesel engines. Roberto tried that and I had to slap him down hard for it.
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You were there in that topic too. You made some great posts there.

That being said, his post should have been left up. I still disagree with the moderator that it broke any rules. Roberto wasn't rude. He didn't dodge and he didn't make an overly lengthy post. The basic substance was, "you didn't consider the witnesses by these names" and "you didn't consider these factors X and Y which may account for the witnesses testifying about blue tinted skin." These are reasonable counters. Even if they are wrong, then let them stay up AND AT THE SAME TIME, allow codoh members to post links to other places that would seemingly or allegedly answer his questions.

I agree Roberto is mistaken about the diesel issues I outlined in that old thread I linked to above. But for gosh shake, can't the codoh mods at least let me read what he posts first and have a chance to take it in? I know there are articles out there that summarize what the other side says, but I see no harm in hearing the other side out of their own mouths for only three paragraphs maximum.

Does anyone know how to win in courts of law for example if you're charged with racial vilification like Brendan O Connell? Do it philosophically. In philosophy you always have to define your terms. If you do not, a debate can not get off the ground. That is what has to be done in his case. He has to prove the Jews are not a race and then this ridiculous charge will disappear due to a poorly written statue. All Roberto was trying to do was play the role of the philosopher say, "What about this?"

Now we all know thanks to the work of Paul Gubrach and Jim Trafficant that Demjanjuk is innocent. But Roberto would say, "Let's say I grant you that proposition for the sake of the argument. What about these factors X and Y which could account for blue skin?" Again, I say leave that up and then post links shoving facts in his face like when he got spanked in the claim of a certain amount of coke being needed to cremate one corpose. 3.5 I believe. I saw no one delete his posts I don't think. Just good old counter arguments and links were given in return. As a revisionist, I disagree with him as much as the next guy on here. But don't delete his posts immediatly. Even Friedrich Paul Burg had to once ask the mods to stop being so paranoid about deleting posts (not Roberto ones - just other codoh member made posts on here). If Roberto is an idiot, then let his short, three paragraph post asking about possible explanations for blue colors stay up and convict him itself. It's like what used to be done with Andrew Mathis on here. Just shove link after link after link in his face disproving his claims. No deleting posts necessary.

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If anyone is interested,
http://r odohforum.yuku.com/topic/10392/t/DEMJANJUK-Scapegoat-for-Jewish-Madness.html?page=2


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