"The former subject has been examined in detail in the discussion between Germar Rudolf and Dr. Richard Green,
which is the subject of several articles published by Dr. Green on the THHP site and of Dr. Green’s expert opinion
submitted at the Irving-Lipstadt trial. Unless there’s anything in Cole’s questions that has not been addressed by
Rudolf and Dr. Green, these questions are yesterday’s news."
Three points need to be made here:
1)Holes are meantioned three times in total in Dr. Greens report, none actually describing why the holes are so
large in CIA air photos but instead concentrating on if the holes actually existed.
2)In Dr. Greens report we see nothing in regards to why the four holes in the alledged gas chamber roof of Krema
2 now no longer exist, despite the fact that the roof, while collapsed is still fully visable from the top and the bottom and intact.
What is visible instead is as David Cole puts it, "two crudely chiseled holes at opposite ends of the roof slab
(one is more like a huge crack than a hole)"
3)Basically none of David Coles physical questions about the gas chambers of Auschwitz are answered.
Moving on you note that an article from Holocaust-History has explained the hole situation further, this is not
the case, in fact they even give misinformation:
1)"To be sure numerous witness statements, from concentration camp survivors even to SS people, acknowledge the
existence of these openings, as well as a photo from the construction period of the death factory and two aerial
photographs of the Allies from August 1944"
What they neglect to meantion here is that the, "witness statements from camp survivors" and, "SS people" all
indeed do achnowledge the existence of the openings, however in all different descriptions to which we are shown from the aerial photographs.
2)"Nevertheless such holes cannot be recognized in the ruins of the cellars of the two crematoria that the SS blew up at the end of 1944."
This is not evidence of holes having been there, in fact due to that almost all descriptions that have been given of the holes and that the aerial photos have been shown to be too large for the simple pouring of Zyklon-B, one can assume that there is still not enough evidence to prove that these holes ever existed in the state which
we are told.
3)"The case of the roof openings of the gas chamber in the crematorium of the main camp is more complicated.
This building, built as an ammunition dump, was expanded into a murder site at the end of 1941 and used until 1943.
Then the SS equipped the former gas chamber to be an air-raid shelter - naturally for themselves. Partition walls were put in and the roof openings were paved over. After the war, the now responsible Polish authorities reversed this reconstruction."
The only evidence we have that this room was ever used to murder people is that of eye witness accounts.
4)"On the basis of photos from the time before the reconstruction and from today"
Do they have these pictures where one can easily see where at one stage the holes did exist?
As a final note the above website did not disprove David Cole, they simply stated their belief once again that at one stage there had been holes in the roof, gave eye witness accounts to this and also a brief meantion that apparntly a Polish investigater did state in a report that he could see where the holes were that the Nazis had used in the past, however without the picture he meantions showing the roof with the evidence holes, this is not proof.
Points that werent discussed and proved:
1)Why two of the holes in Krema 2 are not present today, "shifting" aside there is no reason why this basically intact roof does not have the additional 2 holes.
2)They do not meantion in the article that the holes are given different descriptions all round, but instead concentrate on that people do infact say they did exist.
3)They do not explain a possible reasoning behind why the Nazis would attempt to destroy evidence of their mass murder by destroying a couple of holes in the roof and why they stopped there.
4)Nothing is explained as to why the, "covered holes" in the roof slab of Krema 1 were not covered up, as stated the Polish claimed they could see the holes and thus easily reopen them, yet the Germans went through such lengths to blow up two holes in Krema 2.
Finally these points were not addressed in the article given and thus are not answers to David Coles first questions.
Questions 7) and 8 ), which do not belong to either of the above groups, are based on assumptions that need to be verified in order to make these questions worth responding to (this applies to many of Cole’s other questions as well). Would the "ditches which run the length of the camp perimeter" really make a person "invisible both to ground fire AND fire from the guard tower", as Cole claims? And how would deportees or inmates being taken to Kremas 2 and 3 reach those ditches, what area would they have to cross and what obstacles to overcome? Does the Auschwitz State Museum actually claim that the inmates would often "riot" as they were being marched toward Kremas 2 and 3? That would surprise me in what concerns the arriving deportees, who had no idea of what was going to happen to them and regarding whom procedures to calm them down and quickly eliminate eventual "troublemakers" had been implemented, according to e.g. Höss’ memoirs and the notes he wrote following his pre-trial interrogations in Polish captivity. It would also surprise me in regard to permanent inmates selected for gassing, who as far as I know tended to be emaciated "musulmans" too weak and apathetic to "riot" or try to escape. Equally unknown to me is the notion that gassings were moved to Birkenau "because the inmates were starting to get an idea of the homicidal purpose of Krema 1", as is supposedly claimed by the Auschwitz State Museum. Based on what evidence? And I also don’t know if Kremas 2 and 3 were "put in plain sight of all sectors of the Birkenau camp". What exactly could Birkenau inmates, not to mention inmates of the Auschwitz main camp, notice of the gassings in Kremas 2 and 3?
In regards to this you are speculating, for you to be able to answer these questions you need to actually visit the camp and see this for yourself, otherwise it appears you are trying to give an answer for the sake of it.
"Equally unknown to me is the notion that gassings were moved to Birkenau "because the inmates were starting to get an idea of the homicidal purpose of Krema 1", as is supposedly claimed by the Auschwitz State Museum."video.google.co.uk/videop...&plindex=2
David Cole - The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz 2 of 2: 02:00 / 03:05
Question # 13 - Here you speculate again, not giving an answer.
Regarding your answers to questions 44, 45 and 46 -
1) Not an answer and in fact far from one, once again you use speculation and theorys to attempt to answer the question,
what you have failed to miss is that the weather outside of the gas chamber wouldn't have affected the Zyklon-B pellets
INSIDE the gas chamber where it was cold.
2) Your assuming right away people knew they were going to be killed and were in death panics, one could rightly
state that the people were level headed and would have been more than capable to brush pellets down a nearby drain.
In this statement given, David Cole gives evidence and you give a theory, thus you fail to answer the question.
3) "Zyklon B were poured through gas-tight windows into the gas chamber" I thought it was put through the holes in the roof?
In regards to your next, "answer", once again you use a theory without evidence, you claim David Cole to be a, "smart ass" and it appears you seem to know better than anyone how someone acts in a life or death situation.
You also note the time given, what David Cole was refering to was that within the 20 minutes people have by far enough time to realize what is happening and look for a way out and my god a man hole in the floor would have been by far a preferable solution to dying.
Roberto in his laughable theory also forgets to achnowledge that people will do anything to survive and we are led to believe by Roberto that in NONE of the transports did ANYONE ever think to actually look down and open the damn man hole, ridiculous.
Your comments later on do nothing to answer the questions but I will respond to a few of the worst ones right away,
1)"Did Cole not know that the SS at Majdanek had had time for no more than burning the wooden construction that housed the crematorium ovens and did no longer manage to destroy the ovens themselves? If so, his research is of such sloppiness that questions derived from it are likely to be based on mistaken assumptions, so it would be fair for anyone challenged to answer these questions to demand that Cole substantiate the assumptions on which they were based, first of all. Who wants to waste time on answering questions that are based on mistaken assumptions and therefore merely hypothetical?"
You are wrong here, in Thomas Blatt's story of his escape from Sobibor he notes that while hiding with two of his
friends at an old school friends house, he writes often of her fathers behavoir towards his party regarding news of how far the Soviets had pushed back the Germans, he notes several times nearing the end of his book how news had spread that the Russians were close to arriving but were being stopped and apparntly the father knew all of this.
Now lets take it from a military point of view, as we have read above Thomas Blatt obviously describes how a non military local village farmer knew the position of the battle front, so the military or the SS would have had extensive knowledge in exactly how close the Soviets were coming to Majdanek, (Sobibor would have been reached most likely before Majdanek) and would have been able to carry out extensive destruction.
More so due to that as stated the Soviets were reportedly pushed back often while nearing Poland, so it would not have been a case of pack up and run for the guards at Majdanek and indeed they would have had time aplenty to destroy more evidence than they did.
Finally Robertos answers are indeed NOT answers but more a bunch of theorys to debate on, laughable.
In responce to, "davidwoolfe", he stated the following;
"I would add that people were tightly packed into these gas chambers. Freedom of movement was limited,
if it existed at all. That means moving piles of scattered granules across a gas chamber floor to a drain
and brushing them down would have taken a highly coordinated effort whereby one person sweeps several piles
of granules in one direction, taking care not to apply too much force and scatter them over a wide area.
Then another takes up the task and pushes them over to yet another person, closer and closer to the drain,
until one person brushes them down the drain. So Cole's version is that a gas chamber floor is essentially
turned into a soccer field whereby piles of granules are passed from person to person. And all of this has
to be done in presumably less than one minute, while everyone there is inhaling deadly HCN gas. Should anyone
really have to trouble themselves to even answer such nonsense?"
1) Your assuming inmates were not able to see the drains and manhole cover while walking in.
2) The pellets would have been able to be moved quite easily, simplely kicking them towards the drains would have in the space of 20 minutes gotten rid of almost all of them, your assuming a coordinated effort would have been needed, again this is another case of using Roberto's fact VS theory.
3) The soccer field comment is just laughable, another attempt to put theorys against David Coles comments.
4) The last comment is perhaps the most amusing, "all of this has to be done in resumably less than one minute", davidwoolfe seems to forget that it took 20 minutes for everyone to die, but in a cold room on a winters day the process would have taken even longer and certainly not one minute.
The last point is another speculation, davidwoolfe tends to argue against David Coles reasoning yet does the same
thing in not giving us an answer as to how high the ceiling is, if you have a large container, (for this we can assume that the pellets will all be the same size but if this is not the case then movement out of the container would take longer) people would be easily able to stop the process of the slow pouring.
Davidwoolfe also neglects to meantion that the doors to this gas chamber can be opened from the inside, so rather than blocking the Zyklon-B which would have been an option, they could rather have just walked out of the gas chamber.
He also forgets to tell the reader about the drain in this room as well, which could easily have allowed the small amount of people to drop the pellets down the drain.
Finally david also forgets to meantion the piping in the room which could have been used for three different
1) To block the induction holes administering Zyklon-B
2) To knock out the peephole glass in the gas chamber door
3) To attack any guards outside after they have opened the door and walked out
Once again the believers use laughable theorys as answers to these questions which still have stood the test of time.