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Marijampol, Latvia - another alleged mass grave debunked

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:51 am)

Wonders! I guess those Germans had magical powers and could simply make human remains disappear.

In the summer of 1996, the city of Marijampol in Latvia decided to erect a memorial in memory of the tens of thousands of Jews who were allegedly murdered by the Einsatzgruppen. In order to erect it at the proper place, an attempt was made to locate the exact position of the mass graves. Excavations were therefore carried out at those locations which were identified by witnesses, but - oh wonder - not a single trace of any mass graves could be found.

- Lietuvos Rytas (Latvian newspaper), August 21, 1996

Further excavations in the vicinity of the alleged locations of mass murder did not result in anything else but untouched virgin soil.

from: The Revisionist, Journal of Critical Historical Inquiry, v.1, n.3, 2003

There has never been a mass grave excavated which shows and supports the allegations of the 'holocaust' story....period.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:20 pm)

I quote from the other forum in response:

First of all, the spelling of the presumably Latvian for this newspaper made me suspicious, knowing that Latvians call themselves Letts. My instinct proved correct: It's a Lithuanian newspaper.

Marijampole is located in Lithuania, it is a Lithuanian town, the newspaper is Lithuanian.

Now let's consider this: Lithuanian is a language almost entirely by ethnic Lithuanians and no one else. If any of you subscribe to The Revisionist, look this article up and see if there are any Lithuanians on the editorial board or as an author. For that matter, check for Latvians. Basically, check for names whose ethnic status your not sure of and bring them. I think that the folks over at Smith's new little venture are creating their own sources.

Germar Rudolf worked together with Dr. Myroslaw Dragan, an American of Polish/Ukrainian descent on this. Dr. Dragan probably speaks the local Lithuanian language.

This message I received by e-mail on 20.05.2003 from the Hon. Mayor of Marijampole Municipality, Mr. Vidmantas Brazys:

Dear Roberto Muehlenkamp,

I would like to inform you, that in the Internet page of Marijampole Municipality, on line presentation of ?Places to visit? under item 10 contains the following passage: ?In the valley of the Sesupe river 5090 Jewish and people of other nationalities were killed in 1941 by Nazi forces.? This fact is confirmed by the documents.

Presumably the Jäger Report. The Soviets found it in some archive in Vilnius, fifteen years after the event.

In 1970 the cemetery were included into the list of Culture Monuments. The area, where is thought were graves, is planted with olive trees and placed the monument.
Because the exact location of the graves was not known, in 1996 were done archaeological excavations and the place of fusillade was found (about 50 m to the west from registered graves).

They probably found some spent amunition.

Doctor of Archaeology Science of Vilnius University Mr Algimantas Merkevicius did archaeological excavations. All the documents of excavation keep Chief Specialist of Architecture and Urbanity Division of Marijampole Municipality Mr Gedeminas Kuncaitis.
Facts in the article of Germar Rudolf are primary and not final results of archaeological excavations.
Sincerely
Mayor Vidmantas Brazys

It is interesting to note that after starting with the excavations in 1996 that by 2003 the results are still preliminary.
To me this seems to be an indication that they did not find the right thing.
Of course, in the meantime it is illigal to "deny" the Holocaust in Lithuania.

And this is from Dr. Algimantas Merkevicius, received on 17 June 2003:

Dear sir Roberto Muehlankamp,
Sorry for late answer, but I was outside of me office.Yes, I excavated mass grave territory in Marijampole in 1996. The purpose was to finde exact place of the graves. The supposed burrial place was emty and I found the mass graves about 100 m outside of this supposed territory. People were kiled and burried in a big dich. But after finding the exact place, my work was over. I don't know how much people were kiled and how big the mass grave territory.
Best regards,sincerely yours
Algimantas Merkevicius

It is to be assumed, that if Merkevicius would have found the mass graves of 5000 that this would have been big news in the world.
How many did he find? Twenty?

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:39 pm)

Sailor wrote:
In the valley of the Sesupe river 5090 Jewish and people of other nationalities were killed in 1941 by Nazi forces. This fact is confirmed by the documents.


Presumably the Jäger Report. The Soviets found it in some archive in Vilnius, fifteen years after the event.


Indeed the Jäger Report:

Sept. 1, 41; Mariampole; 1,763 Jews, 1,812 Jewesses 1,404 Jewish children, 109 mentally ill, 1 fem. German national who was married to a Jew, 1 fem. Russian : 5,090


Given our hunch that the forgery of documents without specific purpose is something of a rarity, do you know if the discovery of the Jäger Report coincided with the prospect of legal proceedings against suspected Nazi war criminals?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:59 pm)

And this is from Dr. Algimantas Merkevicius, received on 17 June 2003:

Dear sir Roberto Muehlankamp,
Sorry for late answer, but I was outside of me office.Yes, I excavated mass grave territory in Marijampole in 1996. The purpose was to finde exact place of the graves. The supposed burrial place was emty and I found the mass graves about 100 m outside of this supposed territory. People were kiled and burried in a big dich. But after finding the exact place, my work was over. I don't know how much people were kiled and how big the mass grave territory.
Best regards,sincerely yours
Algimantas Merkevicius

How absurd. No numbers given..what 1-2? Were they combat casualties? saboteur executions? victims of the Communists?.. what? We get nothing.
If the promoted story and the 'Jaeger Report' held up to scrutiny we would be seeing real evidence, not this pathetic dodge.

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:17 pm)

We note that Mr. Karl Jäger committed suicide on 22 June 1959 thereby terminating incipient legal proceedings against him. According to The Field Men his son was killed on the eastern front in 1942.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:55 pm)

We note that Mr. Karl Jäger committed suicide on 22 June 1959 thereby terminating incipient legal proceedings against him.


"Suicide", how convenient.

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Postby Moderator3 » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed May 05, 2004 8:25 pm)

Roberto,
Perhaps you just don't get it, the guidelines say no personal attacks. Personal attacks seem to be standard operating procedure for some, and one has to wonder why.
Your posts will be rejected everytime you do this.
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Postby trtsk » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed May 05, 2004 9:13 pm)

Hannover wrote:
We note that Mr. Karl Jäger committed suicide on 22 June 1959 thereby terminating incipient legal proceedings against him.


"Suicide", how convenient.


Believe it or not some individuals have consciences.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed May 05, 2004 9:27 pm)

The Jewish newspaper Hagalil in Germany seems to have a different opinion about the Jewish killings in Lithuania:

“In Litauen beispielsweise wurden im Zweiten Weltkrieg 96 Prozent der 220.000 Juden von Litauern umgebracht – und zwar von Litauern, „die heute noch ganz unbedarft in Wilna in den Supermarkt fahren, um Milch einzukaufen“. Die litauische Regierung ist nicht gerade begeistert über Zuroffs Schnüffelei. Wenn er zusammen mit einem Detektiv an Ort und Stelle nach Nazis sucht, haben manche Regierungsvertreter gerade „leider“ keine Zeit. “

(96% of the 220,000 Jews in Lithuania were for example killed during the Second World War – actually by Lithuanians, “who even today drive unmolested to the supermarket to by milk”. The Lithuanian government is not exactly enthusiastic about Zuroff’s sleuthing. When he at the site together with a detective is looking for Nazis, many government agents have “unfortunately” no time.)

http://www.hagalil.com/archiv/99/08/zuroff.htm

Where does this leave the Jäger-report?

And apparently did similar pronoms occur also in East Poland, Jedwabne etc.

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu May 06, 2004 5:46 am)

Hannover wrote:
We note that Mr. Karl Jäger committed suicide on 22 June 1959 thereby terminating incipient legal proceedings against him.


"Suicide", how convenient.

- H.


My thought exactly.

And this is from Dr. Algimantas Merkevicius, received on 17 June 2003:

Dear sir Roberto Muehlankamp,
Sorry for late answer, but I was outside of me office.Yes, I excavated mass grave territory in Marijampole in 1996. The purpose was to finde exact place of the graves. The supposed burrial place was emty and I found the mass graves about 100 m outside of this supposed territory. People were kiled and burried in a big dich. But after finding the exact place, my work was over. I don't know how much people were kiled and how big the mass grave territory.
Best regards,sincerely yours
Algimantas Merkevicius


Just like Hannover, my thought was Victims of Communism or jusified exekutions. God only knows how many victims there are from the Communists, but that isn't important! Only holocaust is.
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Postby code yellow » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu May 06, 2004 7:16 am)

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Hebden wrote:We note that Mr. Karl Jäger committed suicide on 22 June 1959 thereby terminating incipient legal proceedings against him. According to The Field Men his son was killed on the eastern front in 1942.
:? Suicide,just before leagal proceedings.This sounds similar to Irv Rubin's suicide in the La jail he was being detained in just hours before he was to appear in court to face charges of planning to blow up an LA mosque in retribution for 9/11.
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Postby roberto » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu May 06, 2004 7:21 am)

Halden wrote:
Hannover wrote:
We note that Mr. Karl Jäger committed suicide on 22 June 1959 thereby terminating incipient legal proceedings against him.


"Suicide", how convenient.

- H.


My thought exactly.

And this is from Dr. Algimantas Merkevicius, received on 17 June 2003:

Dear sir Roberto Muehlankamp,
Sorry for late answer, but I was outside of me office.Yes, I excavated mass grave territory in Marijampole in 1996. The purpose was to finde exact place of the graves. The supposed burrial place was emty and I found the mass graves about 100 m outside of this supposed territory. People were kiled and burried in a big dich. But after finding the exact place, my work was over. I don't know how much people were kiled and how big the mass grave territory.
Best regards,sincerely yours
Algimantas Merkevicius


Just like Hannover, my thought was Victims of Communism or jusified exekutions. God only knows how many victims there are from the Communists, but that isn't important! Only holocaust is.


Maybe you should have consulted the Marijampole Municipality's website before writing the above.

Right above the photograph of the monument to the victims of Nazi mass murder with the caption:

10 In the valley of the Sesupe river 5090 Jewish and people of other nationalities were killed in 1941 by Nazi forces.


you would have found the following:

9 The victims of the Soviet regime were buried in the cemetery near Varpas str in 1944-1953. In the years of national revival the wooden roadside memorials were erected in that place and the Peace Park established.


Have a look:

http://www.marijampole.lt/vid.php3?menu ... &#9001;=en

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu May 06, 2004 11:18 am)

roberto: Can you honestly think that I would belive that?

I mean these nice captions given to things just doesn't make sense most of the time, and i would not be the least suprised if this is just another of those.

Most people by now know that the evil Nazis are getting blamed for everything and anything, that's no news. The horrible deeds done by the Bolsheviks will surely be shoved on the backs of the evil nazis and ofcourse it will say jewish victims.

They sure know how to put captions on things which isn't what it is
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu May 06, 2004 11:44 am)

Roberto quotes:
10 In the valley of the Sesupe river 5090 Jewish and people of other nationalities were killed in 1941 by Nazi forces.

But yet the thread is about the fact that there is no mass grave for this allegation...which would necessarily exist if all this were true ofcourse.

A sign means nothing. There were signs at Auschwitz stating that 4,000,000 were murdered there, that has been completely debunked now. There are signs at Treblinka which claim hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered there....big problem...the huge pit that is alleged to have held ca. 900,000 Jews does not exist and no one can show us differently. I'm sure there are 'signs' at Roswell saying that UFO aliens had lunch there.

There has never been a mass grave excavated which shows and supports the allegations of the 'holocaust' story....period.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu May 06, 2004 12:19 pm)

Roberto objected to the statement, that the bodies which were found by the archaelogist Dr. Merkevicius were victims of the communists during the occupation of the country by the Soviets.

The Marijampole link which he cited indicates, that the Communist victims were burried somewhere else, i.e. in the cemetery near Varpas Street.

At least that is how I understood it. Correct me if I am wrong.

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