joachim neander wrote:
Trude wrote:I understand your numbers 1 and 2, but 3 and 4 are quite unclear to me. Can you be more definite about what you mean, please? Since you haven't read Wiesel's Night, or any of his other books, you can use Zisblatt's The Fifth Diamond as an example, if need be. We have both read that. Thanks.
ad 3) I would say she sees herself mainly as a "teacher" of the kids who she lectures. Her status as victims gives her the necessary authority.
ad 4) The kids shall feel empathy with her and all Holocaust victims as well as contempt for and
with the perpetrators. I do not see a call for action, nor for transfer these feelings to a situation in which the kids might be, e.g. mobbing against a minority in school, or a behavior expressing racial prejudices.
What kind of nonsense is this? I ask you originally why
do you think Elie Wiesel and Irene Zisblatt lie about their experiences in Auschwitz, including their "tattoos?"
You answer with: "I analyze all testimonies
- not only those from camp survivors - on four levels, according to
the scheme developed in the theory of communication
1) What does the author say are "facts"?
2) What does the author say about himself?
3) How does the author see himself in relation to the addressee?
4) What does the author want that the addressee shall do?
Then you say 3 means (in relation to Zisblatt) that she sees herself mainly as a "teacher" and 4) She wants the kids to feel empathy with her and all Holocaust victims as well as contempt for and with the perpetrators.
But even though she lies baldly about those she defines as "perpetrators," she does no real harm, in your estimation, because the kids don't "mob" the students who represent the "perpetrators."
Have you answered anything? No. It's obvious you say you have not read anything of Wiesel's so that you don't have to admit he's a fabricator as you had to admit about Zisblatt upon reading her book.
There is no one, especially a Holocaust historian such as yourself, who is unaware of the Elie Wiesel story as told by himself and his PR firms. Therefore you can't hide behind, "I have never read his books." I haven't read them either, but I still know a lot about them as you do also. Why does he lie, as Zisblatt does, about so many things? You seem to be saying it is to promote the Holocaust in any way that will cause others "to feel empathy with her/him and all Holocaust victims as well as contempt for the perpetrators."
Alright. Agreed. But you find no real fault in that? They need have no scruples in how they do it? Strange fellow you are, Joachim Neander. Consider if this is all they want, why do they insist on making so much money out of it, especially Wiesel, the multi-millionaire? And why are their lies so big, as well as silly and easily refuted? Couldn't they do a better job? Are they missing some aspects of morality, or intelligence, or character? Are they the kind of people anyone should be listening to?
You give yourself no credibility with such evasive, incomplete answers. But it is very professorial.