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Re: Denial of the Holocaust and the genocide in Auschwitz

Postby isabelle » 9 years 5 months ago (Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:00 pm)

neander

At Auschwitz, not "millions" of bodies were incinerated, but some more than 1 million. Quite a lot of ashes can still today be seen at Birkenau (the so-called "ash ponds"). Huge deposits of human ashes were successfully sifted for gold (from dentures) by the local Polish population immediately after the liberation of Auschwitz. This was, e.g., a matter of heated discussions in the town and parish councils of Oswiecim, because it was considered immoral.

3) Part of the human ashes were dissipated on the fields of the SS model and experimental farms. Not as fertilizer, as Communist propaganda told (and which is still today believed by Revs and non-Revs alike), but as it was a good method to get rid of the ashes without leaving traces.

4) The rest was thrown into the Vistula river, which has enough current to carry the ashes far away and dissipate them. On the other hand, don't forget that human incineration ashes consist mostly of calcium carbonate (the phosphorous content of the bones goes away during incineration), and if the temperature is high enough, even calcium oxide. Both are soluble in water, the first due to the CO2 content of surface waters. Vertebrate animals living in the river take the calcium for their skeletons. So you will not find "ash deposits" in the river sediments.


no one was incinerated at auschwitz neander

there were however cremations

cremations burn a body down to bones neander

not ashes

where are the bones neander

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Re: Denial of the Holocaust and the genocide in Auschwitz

Postby isabelle » 9 years 5 months ago (Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:11 pm)

hans

"in Auschwitz it was quite different because they overlapped two or three cremation cycles by pushing in fresh corpses every 20 or 30 min. If this is done intelligently, the endothermic phase of one load overlaps with the exothermic phase of another load. The heat required for the endothermic phase of the incineration process is then provided by the corpses which are in the exothermic phase. The total heat balance can be zero and you just need coke to fire up the oven and bring them on temperature"

ha ha ha ha ha

in other words it was magic

magical incineration

magical edothermic / exothermic incineration

ha ha ha ha ha

human bodies burning like fire logs

ha ha ha ha ha

did anyone bring any marshmallows

ha ha ha ha ha

where are the bones hans

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Re: Denial of the Holocaust and the genocide in Auschwitz

Postby Moderator2 » 9 years 5 months ago (Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:22 pm)

Sorry Isabelle, you look too much as Greg Gerdes. Bye now.
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Re: Denial of the Holocaust and the genocide in Auschwitz

Postby ovd1965 » 9 years 1 month ago (Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:15 am)

At first I want to say the following : during the years reading about THE CASE I established a working sheme for myself :

Reading a post and note the first things coming in mind during reading process.

Ok, sometimes the result is pure sarcasm.

I want to give some personally points to some posts in this thread :


1.) "Poles , looking for gold in the ash mounts after the war (sucessful!?)"

what they are looking for , the Sonderkommando removed all gold prior to cremation

2.) "bones and ash"

what about appr. 30.000.000 teeth ?

even when ash was flushed away in the river , teeth would falling out of the current near the dumping place

how they did transport the ash ? bags , open(!) trucks , drums ?
any documnets ? : "Aschesonderkommando" , gasoline for truck , bag or drum delivery
manufacturing of "ash-transport-devices" (perhaps made bei Mr.Kula ;-) )

3.) self ignition of corpses

any statistical data about overrepresented cases of such kind among a special ethnic group ?
perhaps daily events of such kind in the holy land ?

why there are serious discussions about this among scientists of we have a million proven cases ?

4.) @Neander especially :

dry or green wood : I operate 3 open fireplaces in my house ! And you ?

5.) Sure , from ethical point of view , using continuous burning corpses would be a no go today, but :

why they do not use their expierences in Dresden , there we have a lot of wasted wood and gas
for the burning piles

and : why they need some days to burn a single pile in dresden ? if they have the knowledge to burn
thousend of corpses in a few hours (with less fuel)

btw : interesting : why nobody who has to burn animal corpses after fatal epidemics (BSE etc)
is using the experiences ?


6.) example for : what is called in German "measurement with two different measure devices" :

remember a discussion about the "3 or 30 kg coal question" , perhaps with Irving , elsewhere:

the sceptic claimed , that we have a documented delivery of only 3,5 kg of coal per corpse, but
believer said : no , thats not proven , because there could be more coal delivery , but we are missing
documents.

on contrary : the "Durchgangslager" these (Treblinka for eaxample) is rejected , because there are no
documents about a transportation eastwards.

sometimes missing documents prove all , sometimes missing documents prove nothing

7.) "The total heat balance can be zero and you just need coke to fire up the oven and bring them on temperature"

Sorry , this is a to simple view. Even (perhaps) acceptable for an open BBQ fire, we must consider that
cremation is a "technical system".
we have different places for "producing gas" , burning gas and burning the corpse.

placing a additional fire in the chimney , will surely affect the fire burning on the bottom of the fireplace

so , the construction of the muffel must consider an unusual / modified burning process.

8.) somewhere in this post is discussed the effect of ash as an fertilizer.

here is an very interesting link : http://news.discovery.com/tech/hyperspe ... odies.html

but : have forgotten that the "holder of the eternal truth" are not amused if someone is suggesting an investigation
with modern forensic devices..............

Reading witnesses and court historians is the best way to become a sceptic !


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