RODOH forum tries to bait CODOH members to join them.

[Drew J]

He's probably not going to meet the ARC group memebrs in public. If ARC doesn't produce just because Romanov doesn't meet with them, I'm going to call their bluff as well. That's no excuse. Holding back on real evidence of them submitting forgeries (which runs counter to them saying they spotted forgeries given by an "Andy" and then THEY got in shit for doing the right thing by mentioning it) makes no sense if the ARC group really is out to expose the holocaust controversies blog. From what I see, it's both sides doing their own chest puffing.

Or are they going to disagree with me simply because I'm a revisonist and therefore my above argument makes no sense?

[Blogbuster]

He's probably not going to meet the ARC group memebrs in public. If ARC doesn't produce just because Romanov doesn't meet with them, I'm going to call their bluff as well. That's no excuse. Holding back on real evidence of them submitting forgeries (which runs counter to them saying they spotted forgeries given by an "Andy" and then THEY got in shit for doing the right thing by mentioning it) makes no sense if the ARC group really is out to expose the holocaust controversies blog. From what I see, it's both sides doing their own chest puffing.

Or are they going to disagree with me simply because I'm a revisonist and therefore my above argument makes no sense?

Drew,
If your directing this question to me, I really can't answer, as I am not a member of the ARC group, simply a fan.

Regarding HBW members, those I have corresponded with state they are not ARC members either, whether that is true or not, again I can't say.

My interests are purely focused on truth when discussing the Holocaust, and I don't believe that anything the HC lads do or say is truthfull and I would love to see them exposed for it.

Hopefully this will be the case.

BB

[Drew J]

http://hateblogwatch.yuku.com/topic/164 ... CHOKE.html

Some of the material we have obtained is of a private and personal nature, so as I said it wont be appearing on the internet - HBW has standards and we wont publish private material on the internet - we leave that kind of gross behaviour to the HC crowd..

What about the rest, that isn't private Larry? If these guys are scum, why give them a chance to come clean? Why not force them to come clean after dumping some of the stuff which according to you is permissable to put on the net? As I said, if you had it, you'd put it out there ASAP. You just said some material is okay for dumping on the net. So get to it. I want to see it as much as everyone else. As I said, otherwise, I'm gonna call your bluff. Hell, I guess I'm calling it now.

Do you deny Roberto's assertion here?
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... fakes.html
that Andy Schmidt submitted a photo he claimed authentic but was in fact a horizontal flip and black and whitened photo of a still from a DVD ESCAPE FROM SOBIBOR?

Oh right, blogbouster said the following a little back in this topic.

Drew,

My understanding from communicating with the ARC people is that Romanov, Terry and Muehlenkamp all worked in collusion to attack that site.

They had an insider named Mike Peters, whom they used to insert the forged documents and fake Treblinka photo onto http://www.deathcamps.org.

It was also this Peters fellow that was in reality, the mysterious Andy Schmidt, that bogus character they created to deflect culpability.

They (HC Crowd), then wove an elaborate fabrication (most likely created by Nick Terry), to attempt to steal the ARC site from its founder Chris Webb.

I assume Larry would assent to this statement as well? Interesting claim. Could THAT be one of the pieces of information that is about to come out? Or rather should come out if you have it, regardless if the HC boys agree to a face to face meeting to have their own alleged misdeeds put in front of them in order to embarrass them?

Both sides are accusing each other of submitting the fake photos which caused problems in the first place. You gonna air what you claim is the final daming bit of evidence against the HC group? Or rather some of it, since only some of it is not too personal or private to go on the web?

I'm waiting. We're all waiting.

[Blogbuster]

ello Drew,
I don't disagree with any of your statements.

In fact I agree with them all. I'm just as interested in the outcome as is everyone else. Would love to see of the HC lads have the guts to meet the challenge (which I highly doubt they do), and I would love to see the information that the HBW poster Larry states he possesses, because I would love to get that info all over the net.

With that said, I totally agree with the ARC guys that Terry, Romanov, Muehlenkamp all worked together to attack their website, I don't personally have the facts but one doesn't have to be a genius to see the timing of events, and the outcome of the events.

The ARC site was around since 2002, in 2006 the HC lads show up on the scene and within a month there are fake photos, vandalism, bogus documents, malware attacks, a slew of slander attacks on the HC blog, a counterfeit version of ARC with a dash in the URL... etc.

Are you insinuating in any way that this is a coincidence?

Chris Webb who founded and ran that site for four years without the HC blog, never had an incident of a bogus photo on ARC, yet Sergey Romanov comes along and all of a sudden they do?

Seriously?

But I would love to be able to personally see if this evidence is damning enough to prosecute Terry, Romanov, and Muehlenkamp for some form of criminal activity.
That is my own personal interest.

BB

[Drew J]

Chris Webb who founded and ran that site for four years without the HC blog, never had an incident of a bogus photo on ARC, yet Sergey Romanov comes along and all of a sudden they do?

According to him. Don't the HC guys claim Andy was with Webb's group long before the HC guys went to that place, and that when they got there, they realized how problematic Andy was and that he may have been doing that stuff undetected until he was busted by the HC guys - as a favour to Webb's group? Again, one side blames the other for the forgeries. Until Larry and the rest of his group puts out that stuff on the net that isn't personal that allegedly will decidedly prove that the HC guys were behind forgeries, and that Andy was a moniker for their guy in the inside to ruin that group, it's all just chest puffing. That's why I still say this demand to meet the HC guys in public is a rhetorical trick. If they have the evidence, they'll put it out without meeting the HC guys in public. I'm holding my breath, but I won't forever.

[Blogbuster]

According to him. Don't the HC guys claim Andy was with Webb's group long before the HC guys went to that place, and that when they got there, they realized how problematic Andy was and that he may have been doing that stuff undetected until he was busted by the HC guys - as a favour to Webb's group? Again, one side blames the other for the forgeries. Until Larry and the rest of his group puts out that stuff on the net that isn't personal that allegedly will decidedly prove that the HC guys were behind forgeries, and that Andy was a moniker for their guy in the inside to ruin that group, it's all just chest puffing. That's why I still say this demand to meet the HC guys in public is a rhetorical trick. If they have the evidence, they'll put it out without meeting the HC guys in public. I'm holding my breath, but I won't forever.

Hello Drew,

The Andy Schmidt character is none other than the German school teacher Michael Peters, who later became the registrant of the fake version of the ARC site. I can't speak for Larry's chest puffing but I have seen emails regarding Mike Peters as Andy Schmidt.

There was no problem with Chris Webb’s ARC site until the HC crowd showed up, they were brought in collusion with Peters to plant the fake photos via this bogus character they called Andy Schmidt, who never existed. The idea was that Sergey Romanov would implicate Chris Webb and in some form of shame, they hoped Webb would bow out of ARC, disgraced, handing over his life work to the Holocaust Controversies crowd.

Well Webb wasn't the push over they thought, and that is why he engaged the IT guy Lisciotto who forensically audited the log files provided by the Hosting provider, tracked the IP's and FTP of the bogus photos' to Mike Peters and linked those IP's to the fake Andy Schmidt emails <--this is factual and I have seen those emails.

I have also seen threatening emails made by Sergey Romanov to Chris Webb warning him to get rid of Lisciotto, why? Because Sergey Romanov knew Webb did not possess the technical know-how to defeat the HC crowd. But Webb brought Lisciotto in, they proved the case, booted the HC clowns and Webb made a choice to archive the ARC website.

What needs to be considered carefully here is the following:

Webb created ARC; he founded it in 2002, and ran a research team for years.
Why in the world would he want to sabotage his own site??????????????????

Then after years of being a well known website, along come Sergey Romanov, Nick Terry and Roberto Muehlenkamp and low and behold, these imaginary Andy Schmidt’s begin to materialize from nowhere. Then forged photos of Sobibor (as if a photo expert like Webb would be fooled buy such garbage) appear, followed then a series of smear attacks on the HC blog.

Then Webb's ARC site is then vandalized (which Sergey Romanov admits doing) and posts appear on Sergey's blog shortly thereafter! Question: why would Webb vandalize his own site??????
Then a counterfeit version of Webb's site appears a few weeks later, links on Wikipedia that existed for years begin being vandalized to point to this fake site.

Chris Webb has his lifework in the ARC site restored with the help of Lisciotto, it is then attacked over and over with malware and viruses.

Chris Webb archives ARC and starts a new Holocaust site, which then suffers a litany of endless smears and lies.

Webb’s new site is then attacked with malware and viruses.

etc etc
Drew I think your intelligent enough to see the truth, and I think everyone knows the truth about the HC bloggers, their attack methods and criminal activity in the case of ARC.

I don’t' know what type of chest puffing evidence this Larry has, but I personally hope it is something damning enough to put the HC crowd to bed forever.
Those guys are bad for everyone.

Blogbuster

[Drew J]

Just posted by Larry on the hateblogwatch forum.

Dear Readers,

Everyone needs to chill out and let the challenge run its course - remember it's a serious proposal

Nothing must muddy the waters - its an unrelenting struggle

Just stay focused on the real issue - its not about whether an item was fake or not - its only about the fact that Holocaust Controversies members produed and planted the fake material on http://www.deathcamps.org/ - in order to take over the website.

If Romanov agrees to the meet we will deal with that, if he doesnt then we will deal with that too.

Just a few more days, stay loose and don't let the OGM freak you out

Best Regards,

Larry

I sure hope so.

[proxyserver]

The RODOH is a site that I think any revisionist should consider viewing but only with the following knowledge.

The “debates” do not follow any real rules but almost always wind from here and to there, on topic, off topic, on topic again and off topic again and they almost end up nowhere. The people who run this site, using various pseudonyms, are vulgar, crude, funny at times and always insulting. They use the bad cop- really bad cop approach to “debating”, if that what it is called, with anyone who disagrees with them. It is the closest thing to being mugged that I ever want to experience.

They use all the tricks that Zionists have been using on the truth and on the tellers of truth for 100 years. They are quick to call anyone who presents any argument that runs counter to their common Zionist narrative an anti- Semitic, an idiot, or any other name that they hope will shut down the debate. They somehow equate this with real debate.

However they do a good job, considering their opponents, the revisionists, have all science, logic, math and common sense on their side. If you do not think through your own logic or facts they will let you know. Be prepared. Furthermore, they do have a large army of “court historians”, professional liars, to call upon who have all written “history” books that defy, twist and/or distort history and whom they are quite capable of calling upon to defend their points of view. Be aware of their sources.

Another frustrating thing about this site, of course, is that its job is not to enlighten, to discover the truth or to make this world better in any way. It is simply to defend the Zionists, their past, present and future. And that is sad. I fear in the long run that it will prove to be not good for Israel, Judaism, the USA, the UK or the world. It is to historical debate what mix martial art is to teaching. However the site has potential, somewhere, down deep, to do some real good. If only its writers had some wisdom and real love for all humans regardless of their race, religion, or beliefs.


However I like the fact that this site allows anything and everything to be discussed, for history can only be understood if one learns how, when and why one historical event follows from another within the historical context of the relative time, people and places involved. And it is a good laugh. It’s just too bad that those who run this site live in such a black/white world, through ignorance or blind obedience, and do not realize all the colors in between. It is no way to solve the problems of the world.

As someone who has posted for some time at RODOH in a different persona I do not have a problem with it since I am a "Holocaust" agnostic, and I need to see all revisionist arguments closely scrutinised, although, by default, I am certainly not an "exterminationist", and so, objectively, I am on the side of the revisionists in political terms -- I have always believed that the best way to undermine the political hegemony of the pro-"exterminationists" is to adopt an agnostic stance (as it is always impossible to be historically definitive, except in the most trivial terms), otherwise you are likely to be just written off as a neo-nazi fanatic (I am also agnostic about national socialism!). I agree with much of what Barrington above says, especially the fact that RODOH is very much a free for all, and this is good in relation to such a controversial subject as the "Holocaust". One should certainly have no illusions about the "exterminationists" on RODOH (who will use every trick in the book!), who I have challenged to admit that they are essentially a Zionist cabal purely meant to defend the conventional "Holocaust" narrative in the interests of Israel, but they are perhaps naturally noncommittal. What I think is important to understand philosophically (in terms of the Hegelian dialectic), is that truth about any subject (e.g, the "Holocaust") can only eventuate through a dialectical process (thesis-antithesis-synthesis), i.e, the contradictory unity of opposite perspectives, and it just does not help matters if you avoid the "exterminationists" just because they don't play fair! In fact, from the revisionist perspective, it is better that they don't, since, provided that you are not mislead by their diversionary stratagems, and stick to what you believe are objective facts, you should do much good in promoting your revisionist perspective.

[Blogbuster]

All,

I've just ready a post by the seemingly imbalanced Roberto Muehlenkamp who is attempting to create some form of controversy between revisionists here on CODOH and the posters on the Hate Blog Watch forum.

Specifically, he is focusing on Drew J and the Holocaust website founder Lisciotto. For those who may not already know, Lisciotto is the guy Muehlkamp incessantly claims is me in disguise.
Although last time I checked my drivers license the name Lisciotto wasn't anywhere to be found.

This tactic that Muehlenkamp is using is more of the usual smoke and mirrors, clearly aimed at diverting and deflecting culpability for his own actions, as well as the actions of his partners on the HC blog, i.e. Nick Terry, and Sergey Romanov.

However Muehlenkamp does make one valid point, the HBW team definitely appears to focus on the HC founders (whom they refer to as criminal), and they do spend much of their time discussing their actions in great detail.

But Muehlenkamp, in an attempt to be overly clever, is implying that this focused attention is something more than simply the result of years of attacks he's made over the years, on probably thousands of innocent people throughout cyber space, who simply do not share his point of view.

Nothing to do with their desire for justice! Nothing at all!

If you are inclined totake the time to investigate, you will find posts from Nick Terry, Sergey Romanov, and Muehlenkamp going back years, on hundreds of blogs and forums -just do a Google search yourself.

You will also find that in most of these posts the common theme from the Holocaust Controversies bloggers is usually comprised of them intimidating, humiliating people, cursing at someone, implying they are idiots, attacking their logic, their belief structure etc.

Don't take my word for it... just do the Google search! When you do, ask yourself the following question: Are all these attack posts by Muehlenkamp part of a Lisciotto lead conspiracy as Muehlenkamp wants you to believe? hmmmm...

So without deviation from this strategy, Muehlenkamp and Co. continuously assert that the HBW forum could not possibly have anything at all to do with the anger of so many of these people he and his buddies have harmed over the years.

That no one but a single twisted individual would ever have such a reason or desire to see these guys exposed for their behavior!

That all those hundreds of people over the years referred to as "chimps" "idiots" "morons" "fools" etc. harbor nothing but love for the HC blog

With that belief, of course the entire Hate Blog Watch forum MUST be the brainchild of a lone gunman!

So they needed a fall guy and this Lisciotto; the man they have such a strong hatred of for preventing them from stealing the ARC website appears to be their guy!

.... noticing the conspiratorial theme here folks?

But, the question remains, is there any evidence of a Lisciotto connection?

Perhaps there is.

I did correspond with one of the moderators there, SOPHIE SCHOLL, who allowed me access to the members only forum, where I was able to read evidence of what he/she calls the Nick Terry File.

This file, which is actually nothing more than a large PDF document containing volumes of information. mostly comprised of email with (ip info), log files, documents, letters, .wmv files of recorded telephone conversations etc.

Several of the emails I read were from the HBW's to the HEART people, one of them Lisciotto, asking for insight into why that website was attacked by the HC blog.

In one email in particular, Lisciotto summarized the ARC/HEART story in a few paragraphs, and he also attached a number of attack emails from Romanov to him personally, also to his place of employment, and including threats to Lisciotto's family etc.

So from that perspective there is definitely a connection.

It must be noted that in many of these emails, Nick Terry is included on the distribution list, proving that he had full knowledge of what his fellow bloggers were doing!

Yet has anyone ever come across a post where Nick Terry condemns such thugish tactics?.

I for one haven't seen any such condemnation from Terry.

in fact I have seen posts (and they are in the file as well), where Nick Terry publicly supports Sergey Romanovs claims of misdeeds by ARC. (despite being copied in criminal and threatening emails from Romanov) <-- hardly very moral.

Regarding the HBW forum, I personally know at least seven of the regular posters there, and I can assure they are also not Lisciotto.

So why this isolated focus on Lisciotto from Muehlenkamp, Romanov and Terry?

Its well known that their HC blog you will find entire threads dedicated to attacking this guy, and you can also find them all over the RODOH forum as well.

Does anyone here, or on RODOH, or HBW actually even know Lisciotto?

Has anyone here ever had any interaction, positive or negative with the man?

Any correspondence? Any discussion, arguement, debate?

It seems the only one who cares anything about Lisciotto is Muehlenkamp, Terry and Romanov.

So Roberto, I have a question for you?

Is Lisciotto simple the bogey man of the month? Or should we expect other targets of mass distraction?

Who will it be next?

The clerk at the local postal center maybe?

I have to say, its getting tougher and tougher for anyone to believe Muehlemkamps assertion that EVERYONE else is the compulsive liar except him.
BB

[Anders]

BB

I have to say, its getting tougher and tougher for anyone to believe Muehlemkamps assertion that EVERYONE else is the compulsive liar except him.

Roberto Muehlemkamps is now cliaming that there has never been any investigations of Treblinka.

I think his compulsive lying is just a reflection of how badly he has been defeated by so many people on all things Holocaust.

There's nothing left for him to do but to tell bigger and more lies because he doesn't have the integrity to admitt that he was wrong about virtually everything.

BB

If you are inclined totake the time to investigate... Don't take my word for it... just do the Google search!

I have done just that and can clearly see that Muehlemkamp is a compulsive liar.

[Blogbuster]

BB

I have to say, its getting tougher and tougher for anyone to believe Muehlemkamps assertion that EVERYONE else is the compulsive liar except him.

Roberto Muehlemkamps is now cliaming that there has never been any investigations of Treblinka.

I think his compulsive lying is just a reflection of how badly he has been defeated by so many people on all things Holocaust.

There's nothing left for him to do but to tell bigger and more lies because he doesn't have the integrity to admitt that he was wrong about virtually everything.

BB

If you are inclined totake the time to investigate... Don't take my word for it... just do the Google search!

I have done just that and can clearly see that Muehlemkamp is a compulsive liar.

Anders,

I must admit, I agree with you 100%! My view is that, regardless of which side of the Holocaust debate you stand, anything coming from Roberto Muehlenkamp and his HC pals is not worth serious consideration.

Proponents of Holocaust memorials would do well to avoid any connection to those fellows, and revisionists will get no serious challenge from them either, just childish slander fests.

They are valueless.

Just my two pfennings.

BB

[Blogbuster]

All,
I find it interesting that one of the Hate Blog Watchers is invoking Christmas to plead with the HC lads to cease & desist.

http://hateblogwatch.yuku.com/topic/174 ... emory.html

An interesting tactic.

BB

[PotPie]

If it's so daming, you might as well put it on the internet. Just to sound like the devil's advocate, I'm going to bet you guys are bluffing.

If they don't post it, they're bluffing, period. All I'm seeing from these numerous blog sites is a ton of ad hominem and nearly endless personal attacks, and a few remarks which indicate the poster is not only NOT a revisionist, but also is friendly toward the standing staff of HEART/ARC in general and this Chris Webb in particular.

If you ask me, CODOH is being invaded by trolls, or at least one troll.

Whatever this retarded spat is, it doesn't involve revisionism. This is an internecine war between exterminationists and it spilled over here.

[Blogbuster]

PotPie.
My knowledge of the ARC/HEART people goes no further than a few emails to one of the members of that group. I don't judge individuals by their beliefs. I don't know Webb, never knew him and don't find the man particularly relevant. However, I'm not one to post private correspondence sent in good faith.

What I did here on CODOH was post a few threads according to my own interests and convictions. I personally find the HBW threads and the entire HC/ARC story to be an interesting one in light of the fact that it specifically involves people like Nick Terry and the HC blog.

If it was simply the HBW people and say, a known revisionist here from CODOH, attacking each other all day long I wouldn't find that to particularly interesting.
We can see that on RODOH all every day, seven days a week.

I have had many correspondences with "Sophie Scholl" on HBW and she/he, has provided me with a break down of the entire story from start to finish, and based upon what she revealed. I believe the HC guys to be culpible, and certainly after witnessing their actions on RODOH, I'm even more firm in that belief. Now I fully agree that the entire affair isn't directly related to revisionism, and I don't believe I ever did make such a connection.

However, in my opinion this story is relevant to CODOH, if perhaps in only an obscure way. Revisionists have battled with the HC bloggers for years. Much has been stated by them that has been discussed here. Keep in mind this my personal opnion. I'm not trying to convince people of anything.

Believe what you want. Say what you feel, act as you see fit.

If you believe the HBW people are bogus, believe it. If you believe the HC bloggers are bogus, believe it.

BB

[PotPie]

The only "evidence" you have presented is links to flame blogs full of hearsay and personal attacks. That alone speaks for itself.