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the 'Who today remembers the Armenians?' canard

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:27 pm)

According to the 'holocaust' Industry, when questioned about the possibility of negative world opinion over the persecution of the Jews, Hitler allegedly replied:
"Who today remembers the Armenians?"


The occasion was a meeting of Hitler, Goering, and the top military staff in late August 1939. Hitler was supposed to be using the meeting to motivate the Generals for the coming conflict. Not only is Hitler supposed to have said, "Who today remembers the Armenians?" but Goering is supposed to have gotten up on a table to "Sieg Heil!"

There are several references to the meeting from people who were there and they confirm that no such statement was made. One of the strongest rejections comes from Erich von Manstein, who discusses the meeting in his memoirs, "Lost Victories". As he points out, Hitler never would have used that kind of rhetoric to his generals, who were, for the most, very straight-laced Lutherans aristocrats and in any case very intellectualized by their exposure to the Prussian General Staff.

In addition, it makes little sense to say that 'no one remembered the Armenians' in 1939 as Franz Werfel's novel, "The 40 Days of Musa Dagh" (1936) was wildly popular and snagged the author a Nobel Prize.

A main reason you hear the lie is because the US "Holocau$t Museum" has reproduced it; a deliberate ploy to gain Armenian-American support and to distract folks into accepting the ridiculous 'holocaust' story as alleged via a backdoor tactic. So, what we have is more 'garbage in, garbage out'....the norm for the 'holocaust' shysters.
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also see:
Heath W. Lowry, "The U.S. Congress and Adolf Hitler on the Armenians," Political Communication and Persuasion, Vol. 3, No. 2, 1985. Reprinted in: Armenian Allegations: Myth and Reality (Washington, DC: 1986), pp. 119-132.; and the letters by Dr. Robert John in the New York Times, June 8 and July 6, 1985.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:54 pm)

The quote is printed in the 1946 "Red" NC & A Seuss books and describes Göring dancing on the table after Hitler's little pep-talk to the Feldherrn. The source is attributed to Canaris. Why would Canaris invent the phrase? Of course we know Canaris' motive, who was executed for treason in 1945, but I mean the phrase itself. It is possible that the phrase is genuine but that the meaning in 1939 was more innocuous than in 1946. And it is not clear how the IMT gained access to Canaris' claims. Apparently the "who remembers the Armenians" story was first published by Louis Lochner in 1942. Reference to "Death's Head units" is also anachronistic.

We can only be haunted by the words of Adolph Hitler, who said, in embarking on his "crazed attack" on the Jews. "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

~CONGRESSWOMAN GERALDINE FERRARO (D-NY)

http://www.ataa.org/ataa/ref/arm_uscong ... ix.html#11

NCA, Volume VII, p. 753: Our strength is in our quickness and our brutality. Ghenghis Khan had millions of women and children killed by his own will and with a gay heart. History sees only in him a great state builder. What weak Western European civilization thinks about me does not matter.

I have given the order, and will have everyone shot who utters one word of criticism that the aim of the war is not to attain certain lines, but consist in the physical destruction of the opponent. Thus for the time being I have sent to the East only my "Death's Head units" with the order to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of the Polish race or language. Only in such a way will we win the vital space that we need. Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

http://www.ataa.org/ataa/ref/arm_uscong ... ix.html#11


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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:59 pm)

Yes Scott, anyone 'could have' said anything at any time; the question remains that there is no evidence that Hitler made this Armenia statement, simple.

And ofcourse, since it is acknowledged by parties in attendance at the meeting that Hitler never made the statement, we necessarily have another example of the fraudulent nature of Nuremberg, where anything could be said, and was...acceptance required no proof.

I would be interested to see Lochner's alleged source in 1942.

I would also like to see the original German souces for any of the NCA claims. Good bet that they do not exist.

Typical 'holocaust' nonsense.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:13 pm)

Scott wrote:[…] describes Göring dancing on the table after Hitler's little pep-talk to the Feldherrn.

That must have been quite a spectacle, Göring was a heavy man, maybe 250 pounds?
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Thus for the time being I have sent to the East only my "Death's Head units" with the order to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of the Polish race or language.

They must have done a lousy job, those "Death’s Head Units".

According to a statistical study:
Polnische Bevölkerungsverluste während des Zweiten Weltkrieges (Polish Populatiom Losses during the Second World War)
http://www.vho.org/VffG/1999/2/Mueller159-164.html

the Polish Christian population went up from 24.4 million in 1939 to 26,2 million in 1950.

I think that the Armenian story is hokum.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:10 pm)

Germanophobes Arnold Toynbee (a professional historian) and Henry Morgenthau, Sr. (Wilson's ambassador to Turkey) ran with the Armenian massacre story as part of the Anglo-American wartime Greuelpropaganda campaign, and making the most of it politically. So assuming that Hitler ever said anything like it at all in his peptalk to the generals on the eve of the Polish war, it is possible that he merely made sarcastic reference to this forgotten fact with "who today remembers the Armenians?"

A mountain out of a molehill, if you ask me.

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