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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 7 years ago (Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:09 pm)

TheFirstPrinciple wrote: Trojan horse?

I think so.

Meyer's Rebuttal to Piper

One wonders why Fritjo Meyer, a prominent German Journalist, senior editor of the well known German magazine "Der Spiegel", a confessed anti-fascist and Holocaust believer, now in his seventies and retired, dances on slippery ice by attempting to publicly revise the orthodox Holocaust history of Auschwitz: he revises the number of gassed victims in Auschwitz down to 356,000, and maintains that the gassings occurred essentially in the Bunkers 1 & 2 and not in the morgues 1 of crematoria II and III.

In his rebuttal to Dr. Piper, director of the Auschwitz Museum, Fritjof explained, that the exorbitantly exaggerated number of victims serves only the deniers and NS-apologists, and he believes, that it should be permitted to investigate and revise if necessary the numbers of victims after 45 years. (This is against the law in Germany, StGB. Par. 130).

Dr. Piper still believes even today, that despite the lack of documentation (which were according to him and Danuta Czech destroyed) but because of the very informative witness reports "we should accept 4,000,000 as a figure that [...] reflected the actual human losses in Auschwitz". And even today one can buy a brochure in the Museum Auschwitz by former director Kazimierz Smolen, who maintains the four million number.

This four million number is based on an assumed capacity of the crematoria and on two witness testimonies (Tauber, Dragon). According to Fritjof, neither one of these witnesses was in a position to be able to determine the four million number, which therefore speaks against the reliability of their testimonies. Foreign advisors like the IRC (like the Nazis did for Katyn) were not permitted, Western reports like the WRB were ignored. The Red Army possessed all the documents of the Zentralbauleitung, the death books, the commandant orders, possibly the complete camp archive with over 127,000 files (which may be returned to Poland soon).
But according to Dr.Piper (and Danuta Czech) everything was "destroyed before liberation".

The charlatan Lyssenko together with two others who investigated earlier the case of Katyn and named the Germans as the perpetrators were members of the Soviet investigating commission. The Soviets exaggerated already similarly in Majdanek (1.5 million) and Treblinka (3 million). Ilja Ehrenburg counted already in December 1944 six million Jewish victims. This horrendous number serves since two generations as a bludgeon against the German people as perpetrators.

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(to be continued)

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 7 years ago (Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:05 pm)

(Meyer's Rebuttal to Piper continued)

The Capacity of the Cremation Ovens
Dr. Piper bases the cremation capacity of the crematoria in Auschwitz/Birkenau on a letter from the head of the Central Construction Board in Auschwitz (Der Leiter der Zentralbauleitung der Waffen SS und Polizei Auschwitz), H. Bischoff (signed in his absence by SS-Sturmbannführer Jährling), to H. Kammler, head of office group C in the SS-WVHA, dated June 28, 1943. The letter states that 1,440 corpses can be cremated in each of Kremas II and III per day, with a total of 4,756 corpses per day and that the letter is archived in Domburg, Germany

Also former prisoner Stanisław Jankowski (Alter Feinsilber) stated that 5,000 corpses could be burned per day in crematoria II and III, and 3,000 in crematoria IV and V, meaning that the daily capacities of the individual crematoria were 2,500 and 1,500 corpses, respectively.

Another prisoner, Henryk Tauber testifies that 2,500 corpses could be burned per day in crematorium II.

And commandant Höss wrote that in the five-furnace crematoria I (II) and II (III), "2,000 corpses could be burned in each of them per 24 hours . . . Both of the smaller crematoria III (IV) and IV (V) could burn 1,500 corpses in 24 hours, according to the calculations of the Topf firm from Erfurt, which built them."

The planned and tested crematoria capacities as defined in the June 28, 1943 letter could be exceeded because the Sonderkommando prisoners increased the number of corpses burned at a time to five and shortened the burning time to 20 minutes.

Fritjof disagrees:

Fritjof believes that the June 28, 1943 letter is a falsification. Allegedly signed by "SS-Sturmbannführer" Jährling who was a civilian and not with the SS.

Actually the paper is not signed at all. The manipulated version is from 1957 and originated in the DDR (Former East Germany), and is according to Piper archived in Domburg, West Germany. There is no such a place in Germany. The manipulated facsimile is reproduced in Piper's own book "Die Zahl der Opfer von Auschwitz (The Number of Victims in Auschwitz)". and is from a certified "copy" from the APMO.

The original is in the Moscow Special Archive, which was already known in 1957 in the DDR, and was in no way "destroyed before occupation". Van Pelt published the original unsigned letter as facsimile in "The Case for Auschwitz", Jähring is only on the routing list, his name was later typed in place of the signature to give the impression that the letter was sent.

The original is not signed, because it is a draft, which evidently was not sent. It is based on a construction commentary report of October 30, 1941, which was superseded and is contrary to the first practical experiences with the crematoria. This is supported by a letter from engineer Prüfer of September 8, 1942.

Prüfer's letter was written after completion of the first three-muffle oven in the KL Buchenwald, which is similar in design to the ovens in Krema II & III in Birkenau. The oven was in operation since August 23, 1942. The result is confirmed in a second letter by Prüfer November 15, 1942: Daily 800 corpses for each large crematorium. This letter is in the State Archive in Weimar.

The not sent letter of June 28, 1943 mentioned erroneously 1440 bodies. per crematorium/day.

Witness reports which exceed this number should be ignored. Henryk Taubers "testimony" of 2500 corpses per day cremated in crematorium II does not correspond to the facts. Actually Tauber did not confirm this. On the contrary, he stated that the cremation of 1492 corpses of the Cracow transport on March 14, 1943, could not be done in 48 hours.

(will be continued)

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 7 years ago (Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:54 pm)

Mr. Sailor, I have some questions to you about your trip to inspect the ovens at Buchenwald, and the ones at Birkenau. Please e-mail me at [email protected] .

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 7 years ago (Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:34 am)

Sailor wrote: I would consider the material in Danuta Czech's "Auschwitz Chronicle" with a grain of salt.
Danuta seemed to have been a little sloppy occasionally. For example with her gassing claims. Says Fritjo Meyer in his rebuttal to Dr. Piper:

"Piper zählt auch die erste Auflage des Kalendariums von Danuta Czech aus dem Jahre 1958 zu den historiographischen Forschungen, obwohl sie der sowjetisch programmierten Propaganda zuzurechnen war. Darin behauptete Czech ohne jeden Beleg den Gastod vieler Transporte, deren Insassen noch lebten wie die am 13.3.1944 in Auschwitz eingetroffene Simone Veill, die spätere Präsidentin des Europarats. In der dritten Auflage ihres "Kalendarium der wichtigsten Ereignisse" 1999 bei Dlugoborski/Piper, Bd.V, S.184f., fehlt der ganze Transport, wie auch die massenhaften Transporte des August und September 1942 aus Frankreich.

(Piper counts the first edition of the Kalendarium of Danuta Czech from the year 1958 as part of the historiographic researches, although they belong to the propaganda programmed by the Soviets. Czech alleges without any proof the gassing death of many transports, whose passengers were still living, like Simone Veill, who arrived in Auschwitz March 13, 1944 and became later president of the European Council. In the third edition of her "Kalendarium" of 1999 by Dlugoborski/Piper. Vol. V, pp. 184, is the whole transport missing, and also the mass transports of August and September 1942 from France.)"


According to Mr. Mark Weber, Ms. Simone Jacob (later Veil) arrived in Auschwitz on 16 April 1944 and not March 13. If Mr. Meyer is going to borrow from the work of revisionists, one wishes he would do so accurately!

The plaintiff submits, as Attachment No.11, many pages reproduced from Le Memorial de la Deportation des Juifs de France (The Memorial of the Deportation of the Jews of France) a book by Serge Klarsfeld published in Paris in 1978.

Of the pages submitted, 87 consist of lists of Jews deported from France to Eastern Europe during the Second World War. These pages list the deportees alphabetically by family name, first name, date of birth and place of birth. The impression is given that all of the many thousands of persons listed were killed according to a German policy of extermination. This impression is not accurate. The book merely provides a listing of Jews deported from France, not of Jews who died at Auschwitz or anywhere else during the Second World War.

A particularly prominent example will suffice to prove this. On page 519 of the Memorial, the following person is listed: Simone Jacob was one of 500 Jews -- male and female -- in rail convoy number 17 which left Drancy, France, on 13 April 1944.

To find out what happened to the deportees, one next consults the Hefte von Auschwitz, published by the State Museum of Auschwitz. As a Polish government institution, the State Museum of Auschwitz (Panstwowe Muzeum Oswiecim) is controlled by the Polish communist party. The plaintiff apparently has considerable confidence in this institution as a reliable authority. It published three of the books from which pages were submitted to the court by the plaintiff. [Auschwitz 1940-1945, Plaintiff Attachment No. 3; KL Auschwitz Seen by the SS, Plaintiff Attachment No. 5; and, KZ Auschwitz: Reminiscences of an SS Man, Plaintiff Attachment No.10)

According to the Hefte von Auschwitz (Nr. 7, 1964, p.88 ), the 165 men of the convoy were admitted to the Auschwitz camp as inmates and given registration numbers. All the others, including Simone Jacob, were allegedly gassed on 16 April 1944, the day of the convoy's arrival at the camp.

Today, Simone Jacob is well known by her married name of Simone Veil. The former French Minister of Health is now President of the European Parliament in Strasbourg. Thus, according to documentation considered reliable by the plaintiff, Simone Jacob (Veil) was another Jewish victim of the Auschwitz gas chambers. But she is very much alive today. One may ask: If the German policy was to exterminate Jews deported from France, why wasn't 18-year-old Simon Jacob killed at Auschwitz?


http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p-31_Weber.html

Comparing Mr. Weber's information, which relies on the chronicle of events published in the journal Hefte von Auschwitz, with the updated Auschwitz Chronicle, first published in 1989, we find that in addition to the 165 men registered on April 16 1944, 223 women are also listed as new inmates.

Basing himself on lists from the Memorial Mr. Weber writes that 500 men and women were sent by convoy from Drancy. The Chronicle claims there were 1,500. Something worth checking.

This short biography of Ms. Weil states:

When Simon Veil was only 17 years old, she and her family were prisoners of the Nazi's at Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen. She, her mother and two sisters suffered unimaginable atrocities. Simon Veil and one sister returned. This tragic experience gave her the courage to accomplish anything that she chooses to do. She exemplifies this courage daily.


http://www.wic.org/bio/sveil.htm

In summary, it seems possible that Ms. Veil was registered in Auschwitz before being sent back to Bergen-Belsen, a train of events not dissimilar to the experience of Ms. Anne Frank amongst others.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 7 years ago (Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:58 pm)

Meyer's Rebuttal to Piper

Average Crematoria operation of nine hours daily

Fritjof Meyer referred in his original essay to a statement by Höss during the Cracow trial, that after 8-10 hour daily use the cremation ovens were unfit for further use. (fge: van Pelt , The Case… p. 262), and a memo by Prüfer dated September 8, 1943, according to which 800 bodies were cremated daily in each Krema II & III and 400 in each of Krema IV & V.
Fritjof then used this information to recalculate and drastically reduce the number of victims.

Dr. Piper objects:
He does not quite agree with Meyer's interpretation of Prüfer's letter: In his opinion the numbers in Prüfers's letter are already based on a 12 hour operation, which is supported by Jährling's letter of March 17, 1943 which specifies the estimated daily coke consumption to 7,840 kg for a daily 12 hour crematorium operation.

Piper again refers to the June 28, 1943 letter by the Zentralbauleitung as proof, which stated a 24 hour operation and 4756 cremations per 24 hours operation.

Piper believes that the 9 hour max. quoted by Höss was regularly exceeded, which is proven by camp documents and witness accounts and that the crematoria were operated 24 hours a day when there was a need. (Hungarian and Lodz transports).
Employment report of July 28, and September 7, 1944 (fge: Heizer documents) indicate two twelve hour shifts per day.

And Höss testified before the Supreme National Tribunal in Warsaw on March 11, 1947 that, when necessary, the crematoria operated around the clock.

And the cremation operation was anyway supplemented by open-air cremation.


Old Fritjo thinks differently:
Piper, who has the advantage to be familiar with the Cracaow trial protocol, did not refute, that Höss quoted the 8-10 hour daily maximum time.(fge: van Pelt , The Case… p. 262).

Jährling's coke consumprion of 7840 kg per day would in the case of 1440 corpses result in an unrealisticly low amount of 5.5 kg coke per corpse. The calculated coke consumption would be more realistic for his (fge: Fritjof's) estimate (fge: for 828 cremations with 7840 kg coke = 9.5 kg per cremation) and therefore confirms his result, he says.

The Höss 9 hour operational duration is an average and the calculated capacity is not changed by a temporary 24 hour operation. The employment sheets for the Sonderkommando are not an average for the whole time of the creamatorium operation, but apply only for the time of the Hungarian operation.

(to be continued)

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 7 years ago (Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:41 pm)

Meyer's Rebuttal to Piper

Crematoria in Service

Fritjof Meyer used in his original essay for the calculations of the number of victims, which could possibly be cremated, the following number of days when the crematoria were in service:

Crematorium II 509
Crematorium III 462
Crematorium IV 50
Crematorium V 309

(fge: he must have coppered this from the Italian Auschwitz denier)

Dr. Piper disagree:
He lists the days the crematoria were actually in existence as:

Crematorium II 603
Crematorium III 517
Crematorium IV 562
Crematorium V 666

and criticizes, that Meyer did not give specifics, dates etc. why there should be such a vast difference between days of existence and days of being in service of the crematoria.

He quotes Höss as saying, that for example the crematorium IV "was frequently inoperative" but not shut down permanently.

He also stated, that according to the labor employment report (fge: Heizer report) of April 25, 1944, 87 Heizers were assigned to work in crematoria IV & V, and on May 15, 1944 158 prisoners were assigned to work there, i.e. during the time when Meyer contends, that crematorium IV was out of operation.

Dr. Piper does not believe, that the crematorium V could only function for 309 days out of 666 days of its existence, just because the furnaces or chimneys burned out after four to six weeks.

Old Fritjof:
Referring to crematorium IV, he quoted Höss from The Final Solution… of actual saying:

"IV was shut down completely after a short time and was later not used at all any more".

The members of the Sonderkommando lived soon in this crematorium.

The number of 87 Heizers for crematoria IV and V is only for the personnel of crematorium V, judging by the number of people (fge: the personnel for II and III), and probably includes also Heizers who live in crematorium IV.

(to be continued)

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 7 years ago (Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:34 pm)

The required Cremation Time of three Bodies

Fritjof Meyer maintained in his original essay, that it took normally 1½ hours to cremate a body in Auschwitz. He based this on an statement made by Engineer Prüfer during an interrogation by the Soviets. But he believes, that actually 3 bodies were placed into each muffle at one time, if necessary with 30 minute time intervals.

Dr. Piper
This is contradicted by documents, and statements by the prisoners and commandant Höss himself. Tauber: It took ½ hour to burn three bodies, Szlama Dragon: three corpses in 15 to 20 minutes. Höss: three corpses in 20 minutes.
Bones were removed prior to complete cremation and reduced to powder with pestles by the Sonderkommando.


Fritjof:
According to Wetzler did the cremation time of a body last 90 minutes. Fritjof attempted to understand the observations by several witnesses, that the cremation lasted only 30 minutes or less. He thinks that maybe it was possible to load the second corpse after 30 minutes and the third one after another 30 minutes, So the total time for 3 bodies would be 1½ hours. He rejects Dr. Piper's assumption, that 9 bodies could be cremated in 1½ hr or even less, with 5 bodies in 20 minutes.

He stated that modern crematoria take at least 45 minutes to burn one body.

Interesting is Fritjof's criteria for a believable eye witness of the gas murder:

This witness would have to have observed the entering of the victims into the gas chamber, the introduction of Zyklon B and would have to have observed the corpses afterwards.

He lists six: Tauber, Höss, Bendel, Niyszly and Müller.
He does not count people who testified 50 years after the event, and made unrealistic and contradictory testimonies.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:39 pm)

Convenient Rudolf/Meyer/Mattogno links here:
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/
IMPORTANT

The Intellectual Battle on the Gas Chamber Libel is over!

Definitive Revisionist News from Germar Rudolf

Fritjof Meyer's article in English

Carlo Mattogno's response

and more from Mattogno


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Postby Fugazi » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:28 am)

I found Piper's response to the Meyer article had some interesting stuff in it:

1. Quote: "The Germans signed the capitulation on the day the Soviet commission issued its communiqué. There were therefore no reasons to treat the Nazi crimes as an instrument of wartime propaganda or an inducement to fight against the enemy." This leaves me gobsmacked. Piper claims the Stalinists wouldn't have made untrue statements for propaganda purposes outside the context of fighting the war! So, either Piper is an unreconstructed Stalinist or he's so naive his mother wouldn't send him out to sell a cow, in case he came back with 5 magic beans.

It's thoughtful of Piper to reveal himself as someone who sees a Soviet commission as composed of objective seekers after truth, it makes the rest of his paper easier to figure out.

2. Quote: "In technical terms, the gas chambers were utterly simple equipment: they functioned on the principle of a closed space into which poison gas could be introduced." In the next paragraph: "Sophistic considerations presenting the process of killing people with poison gas, and more specifically Zyklon-B, as a complex technical undertaking requiring means beyond those at the disposal of the camp (as encountered mainly in the literature of the neo-Nazi deniers), are an attempt at manipulating simple facts, and basically amount to deliberate deception."

Not sure who these neo-nazi deniers are, and feel like it's a bit cheeky coming from a neo-Stalinist, but anyway, this quote is cleverly disingenuous, and is a good indicator of what the exterminationists' strategy is now: keep the debate well clear of the gas chambers. I take this paragraph of Piper's as a clear admission of defeat in the argument over gas chambers. However, his approach is clever, because on the face of it, his comment on the potential simplicity of a gas chamber is true. Any unventilated room you can shut people up in can be a gas chamber if you fling some Zyklon B in after them and lock the door. So, Piper gets to portray revisionists as deliberately deceptive, while avoiding having to tell us how the gas chambers were meant to have worked.

Clever indeed. But to anyone who's studied the business at all, it's also completely disingenuous. The only evidence for the use of gas chambers is "eye-witness" accounts, so we aren't actually interested here in the fact that you could make all kinds of rooms into gas chambers without difficulty. For the story to have any credibility, it must be possible to show how a gas chamber could function in the location and in the manner described by at least one of these eye-witnesses. So far no exterminationist has been able to do that, and Piper is very wise not to attempt it here, because as Hannover reminds us, if it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

3. Quote: "Each of the entries referring to the Hungarian transports in the Kalendarz on a given day should be multiplied by four by anyone wishing to use these entries as a basis for calculating the number of incoming transports (a conference in Vienna decided that four transports per day should be dispatched),..."

Every now and then you get a glimpse of how little underlies these confident statements. We have to multiply the number of transports recorded by 4, because a conference in Vienna decided 4 transports a day should be sent. I dread to think of the number of meetings I've taken part in where it's been "decided" various things will happen, which then don't actually happen, particularly when it's a question of allocation of scarce resources. (eg, trains in wartime?) Piper does go on to discuss the number of trains sent in the next paragraph, and seems to have some evidence for the numbers, but the whole thing has a funny smell about it to me. I'm sure Hannover's covered the issue of these transports in another thread, I guess I'd better go look for it...

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:41 am)

Nice analysis.

As Fugazi points out, Meyer has painted himself into a corner with his 'simple gas chambers' as Revisionist merely use what the story alleges; we've hoisted them by their own petard. Meyer knows this, he's certainly read Revisionist literature.
Fugazi:
Piper does go on to discuss the number of trains sent in the next paragraph, and seems to have some evidence for the numbers, but the whole thing has a funny smell about it to me. I'm sure Hannover's covered the issue of these transports in another thread, I guess I'd better go look for it...

The trains issue is simple. One cannot say... 'we have train records of Jews going to Auschwitz, so where did they go?', without addressing the fact that there was certainly train outbound records, with Jews aboard, or without Jews aboard. The Believers cannot show us outbound records of the same trains alleged to have delivered Jews to their death. Certainly there were records, or did the Germans keep all the trains at Auschwitz?

If a claim is made that the Germans destroyed the outbound records to hide 'evidence', then the same claim should be made about the inbound records which are available for all to see.
So, what happened to the outbound records? Who benefits from their disappearance?

Once again, the Believers own story shoots them in the foot.

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Postby neugierig » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:33 am)

Good post, Fugazi.

Pipers ‘rebuttal’ of Meyers findings are a desperate attempt at damage control. His desperation shows, because he repeatedly wanders off into la-la land.

Here are just a few ‘morsels’ I found interesting and there are many.
Right up front, he admits that nobody did any research, although ‘they’ knew the numbers were overblown. Piper cites a few ‘historians’ who came up with lower numbers, as well as some who claimed more than the 4 million, confusion par excellence. But here it goes:

“I reopened the research on this problem in the 1980s, as part of the work on the five-volume Auschwitz monograph. I knew full well that the findings of the prosecutors and judicial authorities on this question in the 1940s rested on inadequate documentation.[...]”

He claims to have only ‘re-opened’ the research in the 1980s, although he knew full well that the 4 million was a lie. This is preposterous. And why in the 80s? (end of 80s?) What prompted this sudden interest? Couldn’t be that revisionists were getting closer? But it gets better:

“[...]Jewish researchers in particular, who were fully aware that Jews made up the decided majority of the victims of Auschwitz, had significant reservations about this figure—above all because, when added to the number of Jews killed at other extermination sites, it more than doubled the overall loss of Jewish lives, set at 5,000,000 to 6,000,000.[...]”

So, Jewish researchers had ‘significant reservations about this figure’. And why? Not because they knew that the 4 million was a lie, and they felt the need to set the record straight, but it prevented them from adding the number of ‘victims’ of other sites to it, for, it would have more than doubled the total. In fact, although I’m relatively new to the subject, I’ve never heard anything about Einsatzgruppen and not much about the Reinhardt camps either. Now I know why. So much for ’honest’ research.

But the clown-prince of Pipers statements is the following, IMHO:

“[...]both the killing capacity of the Auschwitz Concentration Camp gas chambers and the cremation capacity in the camp were significantly greater than the need in this period[...]The underutilization of the Auschwitz extermination capacity resulted from Germany’s failure to meet its own expansionist goals, as a consequence of which it proved impossible to carry out the plans, as presented at the conference in Berlin-Wannsee, for the destruction of 11,000,000 European Jews in occupied, satellite, neutral, and dependent countries, [...]”

Yeeeikes!!! Underutilized? If this is so, why mess with those Mickey Mouse Reinhardt camps, claimed to be pure extermination facilities. Why not just send everyone to ‘underutilized’ Auschwitz.
Meyer, in his reply to this, states, since Piper is unable to discredit his findings, they stand as fact.

Well, I let others decide whether Meyer is right or not, but reading Mr. Pipers stuff, I am now convinced Alice in Wonderland is a true story.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:57 am)

And how convenient, Meyer now tries to move all the alleged 'gassings' (albeit a much lesser number) to structures which do not exist.

They're attempting to hang on to at least some of the gassing lies. But again, their attempt is absurd and easily refuted.

As the expression goes:

'once you lie, you must continue to lie'

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Postby neugierig » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:59 pm)

Hannover:
“And how convenient, Meyer now tries to move all the alleged 'gassings' (albeit a much lesser number) to structures which do not exist.”

Exactly. What in fact Meyer is doing is offering a way out, i.e., a back door. With those pesky revisionist crawling all over the remains of Morgue II (?), why not move the gassings to a no longer existing location. No more prying eyes, and, horror, technical stuff.

Alas, Herr Meyer has been told to shut up and go away. He will no longer discuss anything in public, since all of this is difficult to understand for the average person.
So, us idiots will just have to remain in the dark.

Too bad about Meyer, even though his findings are ‘suspect’, he added a little excitement. But more importantly, he forced Pan Piper to reply, and thus had him, Piper, demonstrate how absurd the story really is. :roll:

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:00 pm)

According to the ASM website, Ms. Simone Weil will be attending the official ceremony commemorating the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz on the 27th January.

They give her camp number as 78651. This tallies with her arrival and registration at the camp on April 16, 1944.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:31 pm)

The Jews certainly make a big fuss about Auschwitz.

If I remember correctly, there were about 150,000 registered dead in that camp. A large number, no doubt, especially if one considers the max. number of inmates in Auschwitz at about 150,000.

The estimated number of people who died in Dresden during the 1945 air attack is about 250,000-350,000 people.

Suggestion: Maybe they should send Harry to attend the Auschwitz ceremonies!


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