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Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby sans concession » 9 years 9 months ago (Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:47 pm)

Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Tuesday, December 21, 2010

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02329.html

JERUSALEM -- Israel's Holocaust memorial says it has now identified four million of the six million Jews who were killed by Nazis in the Holocaust of World War II.

Yad Vashem has made the recovery of the names a main mission in order to keep the memory of the murdered Jews alive.

In 2004, it launched a database of victims' names on its website. It had 3 million names at the time and since then has been compiling the names of other victims. It said Tuesday that the database now has 4 million names.

Yad Vashem says names are recovered through people who remembered the murdered Jews and by combing archival lists and other documentation.

The task is especially difficult because entire families were wiped out and documents were destroyed during the Nazi genocide.


Sans Concession comment : Apparently Germany has been monetarily penalized based on an unsubstantiated estimate of 'casualties'. I should think a refund of reperations is in order.

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby Ilikerealhistory » 9 years 9 months ago (Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:25 pm)

sans concession wrote:Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified


1) Yad Vashem says names are recovered through people who remembered the murdered Jews and by combing archival lists and other documentation.

2) The task is especially difficult because entire families were wiped out and documents were destroyed during the Nazi genocide.



1) Abibi Steinburgmetzenheimermann remembers the name of the thousand other jews who were in the 10mx10m gas chamber with him. He did not perish with the others because he held his breath for 30 minutes while he watched other jews gasp for air in the Zyclon-B filled room. When he heard the guards coming he faked being dead. Once they removed him from the room and threw his body on the pile of other burning bodies, he got up and escaped through a hale of machine gun bullets. Now 70 years later he suddenly remembers not only the names of the 1000 jews in the gas chamber with him, but also the names of 5000 other jews who screamed out their names as he ran away from the camp.


2) The task is difficult because they have to create names of nonexistent families and insure that there are no traces or records of similar families living in Europe at the same time that died by other means; i.e. Soviet or Allied murders and bombings. Imagine if they claimed the john Smith family from Warsaw was killed in a nonexistent gas chambers at Auschwitz, and later someone finds records of a John Smith family that is either still alive, or was killed by the Soviets.

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby Arsènelupin » 9 years 9 months ago (Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:26 pm)

So, during years an years, Germany was guilty to have murdered millions of people without any evidence. Imagine the trial :
The judge : This man killed somebody !
The barrister : Hum, may we know victim's name ?
The judge : Well... I don't konw it !
The barrister : So the corpse remains unindentified ?
The judge : Sincerely, we did not discover any corpse.

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby ovd1965 » 9 years 9 months ago (Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:27 pm)

I have spend some hours daily at the Database for some weeks and would say it is not really serious.

Here are some of my notes:

using the search function , you could find amazing things :

1.) place of death : moscow, newyork, africa, siberia , usbekistan, shanghai, china

a man beaten to death by nazis in NEW YORK.

2.) some people murdered in the MID30s (!) in eastern poland (!) during a progrom

3.) an amazing number of people aged above 100 years

4.) soldiers , obvisiously killed in action (Berlin , may 1945) ,
a special hypocrisy : soviet soldiers killed in action in Finland , during the soviet attack !
are called holocaust victim....

5.) many people are listed 3 or more times

6.) the shown results are limited to 1000 names per search, no real analysis possible

7.) the sources are simple pure given statements by relativs or friends
or deportation lists , without any remarks about what happened to the people

8.) example : Headline : germans gove CD with names aof 600.000 GERMAN holocaust victims
every simple minded european will belive the speak about MURDERED , but it is not possible
to have murdered 600.0000 GERMAN jews ....

9.) try some search for written survivor stories , especially also youtube stuff , here two
stories , I have seen on youtube (will try to find link later)

a) grandchildren searched yadvashem database and found grandma as "gassed", name
was sent to database by grandmas brothers, but grandma has told all the years that
the brothers are gassed..... so happy end ...big reunion , gassed grandma met gassed
brothers in Israel...

b) children were searching via Internet for relatives and organize a big surprise-reunion-party.
local press article : big reunion party with 200 people from all over the world after 60 years

etc etc.

But , a lot of simple minded people will say : look they have all the names , how can you deny ?!

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby The Warden » 9 years 9 months ago (Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:20 pm)

It would appear that every jew on Earth that died in the years leading up to the war, during the war, and even after the war are considered "victims". There's also that infamous connection made between death and "murder". Just because someone dies during a specific period, doesn't mean they were "killed", "murdered", "exterminated", "liquidated", "specially handled", or any other term of the week often misused which prolongs the victim industry. Not only is there never a cause of death given besides "evil Nazis", but the mere implication that the Allied bombings, Russians, or even participation in war activities caused the deaths is instantly labeled "hate", "anti-semitism", or whatever the label of the week might be.

I wonder if Germany offered reparations to "survivors" for showing signs of common sense instead of spreading rumors, it would be worth the money to end these ridiculous claims of "murdered" boo hoo squads.
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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby ovd1965 » 9 years 9 months ago (Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:52 pm)

without any real serious investigation you can find out , what this "database" is.

many of the submitted statements have only a "unknown" or "?" for place and date of death

many places or place/date combinations are not possible

see some examples :

Reunions:
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13730146
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14896842/ns ... /n_africa/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzkKaW7vFCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxQ_qNNq_nQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXbkngws4Q

Interesting idea :
Sydney Mandelbaum, project co-founder; Matthew E. Kaplan, research coordinator; and Janette Friedman, board member talked about the DNA Shoah Project. They are building a database of genetic material from Holocaust survivors and their immediate descendants in hopes of reuniting families disrupted by the Shoah (“Holocaust” in Hebrew).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 148550392#
would like to know some statistical data ....

Yad Vashem examples :

Mrs. Margolina was born in 1833. Prior to WWII she lived in Kiev, Ukraine (USSR). She perished in 1941 in Babi Yar, Murder Site. This information is based on a List of persecuted found in the List of residents from the Petrovskiy neighborhood in Kiev who were murdered in Baby Yar, 29 September 1941. More Details...
note : interesting list, not possible to see who created the list, written in kyrillic letters

Aladjem Nissim
Nissim Aladjem was born in Vidin in 1870 to Amada. He was a diplomat and married to Gabriela. Prior to WWII he lived in Trieste, Italy. During the war he was in Trieste, Italy. Nissim perished in 1943 in Venezia, Italy at the age of 73. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his daughter.
note : 1943 at Venezia, aged 73 .... seems to be not a crime act...

Davydov Lev
Lev Davydov was born in Kherson in 1926 to Itzek and Ester. He was a metalworker. Prior to WWII he lived in Moscow, Russia (USSR). During the war he was in Army, USSR.
Lev perished in 1944 in Vyborg, Finland.
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his sister.

Benousiglio Allegra
Allegra Benousiglio was born in Thessaloniki in 1911 to Levy and Fakima. Prior to WWII she lived in Thessaloniki, Greece. During the war she was in Thessaloniki, Greece. Allegra perished in 1945 in the Shoah. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her mother. More Details...
note : she died 1945 in Thessaloniki , the statement comes from her mother , but she did not
submit circumstances of death


Ebstein Alfred

Alfred Ebstein was born in Offenburg in 1909 to Ismar and Ida. He was a merchant and married to Margot nee Mattes. Prior to WWII he lived in Kitzingen, Germany. During the war he was in Kitzingen, Germany. Alfred perished in 1945 in the Shoah. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his brother.
note : he was all the time in Kitzingen (birth , during the war) , he died May,8th,1945 (!)
wife and child died also same day , all died in "LAGER" ....

found on german memorial page :
Ebstein, Alfred Alexander
GEBOREN 8.3.1909
deportiert nach Kitzingen
weiteres Schicksal nicht bekannt ..... note : what happened is UNKNOWN



Mariska

Mariska nee Schlesinger was born in Brusnica in 1900. She was married. Prior to WWII she lived in Budapest, Hungary. During the war she was in Dignano, Italy. Mariska perished in 1944 in Italy. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her nephew. More Details...

note : Mariska perished as "Partisan"


Alinikoff Arthur

Arthur Alinikoff was born in Wilkes Barre in 1920 to Hirsh and Hattie. He was a soldier and single. Prior to WWII he lived in Wilkes Barre, United States. During the war he was in Army, United States. Arthur perished in 1943 in Anzio, Italy at the age of 23. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his relative. More Details...

note : Arthur died as a wounded american soldier in a american hospital during an airraid



Auslander Leonard

Leonard Auslander was born in United States in 1919 to Benjamin and Anna. He was a soldier and single. Prior to WWII he lived in Cmaden, United States. During the war he was in Army, United States. Leonard fell as a soldier in 1944 in Italy at the age of 25. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (signed PDF) (displayed on left) submitted by his researcher. More Details...


Frydman Miriam

Miriam Frydman was born in Wengerowa in 1898 to Hershel and Fege. She was single. Prior to WWII she lived in Wengerowa, Poland. During the war she was in Wengerowa, Poland.
Miriam perished in 1933 in Wengerowa, Poland. (!)
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her great-nephew.

note statemant for circumstances of death : " massmurder of congregants of the Big Shul
in Wengerove on Yom Kippur 1933 or34"


Josef

Josef was born in Vienna in 1917 to Adolf. He was a salesman. Prior to WWII he lived in Vienna, Austria. During the war he was in Vienna, Austria.
Josef perished in 1942 in Siberia Geo Region, Russia (USSR) at the age of 25.

This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his brother, a Shoah survivor. More Details...



Lets have a look at some statistical data :

(lets take 1942 as the average "perishing" year)


number of jewish people.................data for Germany in 2004
who perished at shoa at age.............number of people aged :
(out of 6 / 15 mio people)...............(out of 81 mio people)
.....................................................number
year of birth age (for 1942)
...........................number
1825.............117...... 7.................... --
1826.............116.......13................... --
1827.............115.......13................... --
1828.............114.......12................... --
1829.............113.......11................... --
1830.............112.......15................... --
1831.............111.......12................... 2
1832.............110.......9..................... 2
1833.............109.......12................... 5
1834.............108....... 8................... 14
1835.............107.......16................... 34
1836.............106.......13................... 71
1837.............105.......19...................203
1838.............104.......17...................n.a.
1839.............103.......20...................n.a.
1840.............102more.than.1000**....no.101 to
1841.............101.......41...........104 yrs old : 5500
1840.............100.......42.................4123 ***



** yad vashem shows only the first 1000 results , real number is not shown

*** note : for 2004 Germany has appr. 10.000 people aged above 100 years
BUT 30 years ago there were only 300 people older than 100 in Germany !

they have to clean up their "database" from all the nonsens , errors, and "not possible things".....

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby Zulu » 9 years 9 months ago (Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:26 pm)

I have a strange case to expose after a casual reaserch carried out about a challenge on those "437,000 Hungarian jews" deported to Auschwitz.

I was asked "what happened to them, if they were not gassed?"
It is obvious that I haven't a global response. So, some search one particular fate could be envisaged, just to try something.
I was then given the name of "Geza Latjbs" (sic). There is a link to explain the origin of the name. It seems that she is a "famous woman":

<<The woman in the foreground is Geza Lajtbs from Budapest>>

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/auschwitz ... Jews1.html

The same picture with a similar caption can be seen also on the Yad Vashem site
http://www1.yadvashem.org/IMAGE_TYPE/1162.jpg

After working on that case I could expose the following findings

a- Geza Lajtbs is actually Geza Latjos and he is a man, not a woman.

b- He was a Hungarian jew deported from Budapest in 1944 (probably May if he is on the picture behind the woman.)

c- he was declared by his son as died 3 times at Auschwitz in 1944 (Yad Vashem)

d- He is actually given as died of myocarditis at Mettenheim (sub camp of Dachau) in March 1945 on Yad Vashem (died of disease) and USHMM databases.

e- His wife Rinka Lajtos was declared by his son (the same) as died 3 times at Auschwitz.(Yad Vashem)

Records available on Yad Vashem Database of "victims":

4 files to Geza Lajtos

3 Testimonies files
Geza Lajtos born 7/3/1891 in Monor (Hungary) dead at Auschwitz in 1944
Geiza Lajtos born 8/03/1891 in Monor (Hungary) dead at Auschwitz (no date)
Gejza Lejtusz born in 1891 in Monor (Hungary) dead at Auschwitz in 1944

YD files
Geza Lajtos born 7/3/1891 in Hungary dead at Mettenheim on 29/03/1945

3 Testimonies files to his wife Rinka

Rinka Lajtos born 28/08/1893 in Goyany (Ukraine) dead at Auschwitz (no date)
Rinka Lajtos born in 1893 in Gonyo (Hungary) dead at Auschwitz in 1944
Rinka Lejtush born in 1893 in Hungary dead at Auschwitz

We can observe how some changes are given to some data on each file of those testimonies given by one person only. The author is the son of the couple who
changes also data concerning himself on each declaration. Is such proceeding intentional? Who knows...

Nevertheless, all those files are recorded on files called "The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names" on the Yad Vashem site where it is said:.

"Yad Vashem, together with its partners, has collected and recorded here the names and biographical details of half of the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis and their accomplices. Millions more still remain unidentified: It is our collective duty to persist until all their names are recovered."

http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome

As no general alphabetical list of victims is given, it is impossible to check if each entry counts as 1 victim or not. Maybe someone here could give further information on that point.

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby Anders » 9 years 9 months ago (Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:42 pm)

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JERUSALEM -- Israel's Holocaust memorial says it has now identified four million of the six million Jews who were killed by Nazis in the Holocaust of World War II.

Yad Vashem has made the recovery of the names a main mission in order to keep the memory of the murdered Jews alive.

In 2004, it launched a database of victims' names on its website. It had 3 million names at the time and since then has been compiling the names of other victims. It said Tuesday that the database now has 4 million names.



Something isn't right about Yad Vashems claim


* NOTICE: $6,000.00 BONUS CHALLENGE / REWARD *

Provide the name of just one person - with proof - who died by means of poison gas

in a homicidal gas chamber at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka - just one name



http://www.nafcash.com/


It’s a historical fact that not one of the 54 fraudulently alleged “huge mass graves” of Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka

has ever been proven to contain so much as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies, and not so much as one single

person has ever been proven to have died by means of poison gas in a homicidal gas chamber at any of the four sites.

If you deny this fact, then answer this one simple question: Why does the $60,000.00 reward remain unclaimed?



4 million names and not one from Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka?

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby ovd1965 » 9 years 9 months ago (Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:48 am)

I think there are a lot of difficulties to create a victim list.

- how to write the names (many persons counted 2 or more time with only minor differences in writing the name)

- lot of problems with names originated in kyrillic letters , east european writing etc

- recover relativs after the war is difficult , because - the different writings of the names
- many jews changed name (especially in USA and Israel)
(some changed names often )

- many names at YV originated only from deportation lists (deportations = death)

- from such lists or vague submitings the only serious conclusion should be "missed"

If it would be more serious , they would use more modern tech to compare different lists and databases.

It should be easy to digitize the data from Bad Arolsen, the reparations claims to german government and especially the lists from DP camps after the war and the lists of the (at least legal) immigrations to US and Israel.

Some strange claims are often disturbing.
They have (obviously) deportation lists from Hungary , but suggest that the list are
"lost".

It would be easy to digitize the whole Bad Arolsen file cards and let the computer doing the work for make a complete
overview....

Why do they limit YV search results to 1000 per search ?(the minimum seriousity would be, to show the real number of finding)


another exampler , our friend Eli :

Wiki : Eli Wiesel :
Wiesel had three sisters – older sisters Hilda and Beatrice, and younger sister Tzipora. Beatrice and Hilda survived the war and were reunited with Wiesel at a French orphanage. They eventually emigrated to North America, with Beatrice moving to Montréal, Canada.
Tzipora(sister) , Shlomo(father) and Sarah(mother) did not survive the war.

YV data:
Vizel Shlomo
Shlomo Vizel was born in Siget to Eliezer and Nisel. He was a shop owner and married to Sara nee Feig. Prior to WWII he lived in Siget, Romania. During the war he was in Siget, Romania. Shlomo perished in 1945 in Buchenwald, Camp. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his son, a Shoah survivor. More Details...

further search :
Pages of Testimony by submitter(s) with the same name (As Vizel Shlomo)
Displaying 1 - 1 of 1
Place of Residence (or Place of Birth)
Name Town District Region Country Birth Date Source
Vizel Shlomo SIGET MARAMURES CRISANA-MARAMURES ROMANIA Page of Testimony

Note : obviously Eli did not submit a page of testimony for his younger sister and mother

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Postby Kingfisher » 9 years 9 months ago (Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:53 am)

First six responses to a random search for Weinberg in Poland:
Ita Friedberg nee Veinberg was born in Olkusz to Shaul. She was a housewife and married. Prior to WWII she lived in Czonsk, Poland. Ita perished in the Shoah. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her nephew.

Rivka Frajdenrajch nee Wajnberg was born in Tomaszow in 1903 to Mendel and Khaia. She was a merchant and married to Zalman. Prior to WWII she lived in Lodz, Poland. During the war she was in Lodz, Poland. Rivka perished in Lodz, Poland. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her daughter.

Dwora Eksztajn nee Wajnberg was born in Warszawa. She was married. Prior to WWII she lived in Warszawa, Poland. During the war she was in Warszawa, Poland. Dwora perished in the Shoah. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her nephew, a Shoah survivor.

Mania Eisenstein nee Veinberg was born in Jaworow in 1901 to Natan and Khaia. She was a housewife and married to Emil. Prior to WWII she lived in Krakow, Poland. During the war she was in Lemberg, Poland. Mania perished in 1941 in Lemberg, Poland at the age of 40. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her sister.

Amalia Ehrlich nee Weinberg was born in Sambor in 1888 to Hersh and Rivka nee Trottner. She was a seamstress and married to Joachim. Prior to WWII she lived in Sambor, Poland. During the war she was in Sambor, Poland. Amalia perished in 1942 in the Shoah at the age of 54. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her daughter.

Lea Celnik nee Veinberger was born in Zgierz in 1885 to Avraham and Bela. She was a housewife and married to Mordekhai. Prior to WWII she lived in Zgierz, Poland. During the war she was in Poland. Lea perished in Treblinka, Poland at the age of 60. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her relative.

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby ovd1965 » 9 years 9 months ago (Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:23 am)

search result for "Stalingrad" ; found "more the 1000 results"
Brodski Abram
Abram Brodski was born in Kiyev in 1906 to Pinkhas and Risia nee Perlovich. He was a physician and married to Rozalia. Prior to WWII he lived in Kiyev, Ukraine (USSR). During the war he was in Army, USSR. Abram perished in 1942 in Stalingrad, Russia (USSR) at the age of 36. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his son. More Details...
note : member of Red Army ,killed at Stalingrad
lots of persons have remarks like : " at the front" , Red Army , "in the army , killed in action (gefallen) etc.


Galzband Velve
Velve Galzband was born in Krustpils in 1885 to Bentze. He was a worker and married to Kheine. Prior to WWII he lived in Krustpils, Latvia. During the war he was in Stalingrad, Russia (USSR). Velve perished in 1943 in Stalingrad, Russia (USSR) at the age of 58. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his grandson. More Details...
note : died in Kolchos(soviet farm collectivism) (!) from meningitis (!)


Kreisberger Zeew
Zeew Kreisberger was born in Czernowitz in 1913 to Moshe and Rivka. He was an electrician and married to Shoshana nee Haker. Prior to WWII he lived in Czernowitz, Romania. Zeew perished in 1943 in Stalingrad, Russia (USSR). This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his daughte
note : "an der Front"

Pruzansky Yehoshua
Yehoshua Pruzansky was born in Pruzana in 1912 to Zeev and Liba. He was a teacher and married to Sheine nee Shapira. Prior to WWII he lived in Pruzana, Poland. During the war he was in Army. Yehoshua perished in Russia (USSR) at the age of 30. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his nephew.
note : killed in action , polish army
and so on ....
note : many many polish and romanian jews "perished" at Volgograd/Stalingrad...
has someone knowledge of ext. camp or large ext. actions in this area ?

some others :
Hauer Karoly
Karoly Hauer was born in Topolcany in 1912 to Barukh and Khaia. He was an university student and single. Prior to WWII he lived in Miskolc, Hungary. During the war he was in Spain.
Karoly perished in 1938 (!) in Spain.(!)
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his brother. More Details...

Kirshenblat Moshe
Moshe Kirshenblat was born in Lodz in 1938 to Avraham and Malka nee Tabakshmeker. He was a child and a child. Prior to WWII he lived in Lodz, Poland. During the war he was in Lodz, Poland.
Moshe perished in 1940 (!) in Central Asia Geo Region (!), USSR at the age of 2.
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (PDF) (displayed on left) submitted by his brother. More Details...
note : circumstances of death starvation

Dr. Of Dental Medicine Vogler Isadore
Dr. of dental medicine Isadore Vogler was born in Krakow in 1899 to Mojzesz and Fryneta nee Pflaum. He was a dentistin and married to Eva nee Ohrenstein. Prior to WWII he lived in Krakow, Poland. During the war he was in Russia (USSR).Dr. of dental medicine Vogler
perished in 1944 in Iran at the age of 45.
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his brother-in-law, a Shoah survivor. More Details...
note : "perished from typhoid fever in the anderson army in Iran"

Freiwald Henek
Henek Freiwald was born to Lazer. He was a student and single. Prior to WWII he lived in Krakow, Poland. During the war he was in Krakow, Poland. Henek perished in Iran. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (PDF) (displayed on left) submitted by his second cousin. More Details...
note : died from typhus during transport from Sibira (!) to UK in Iran

Cajt Bernard
Bernard Cajt was born in Sarajevo in 1864 to Ignac. Prior to WWII he lived in Hungary. During the war he was in Sarajevo, Yugoslavia.
Bernard perished in 1944 in Egypt.
This information is based on a List of victims from Yugoslavia found in the Zrtve Rata 1941-1945: Jevreji, Savezni zavod za statistiku, Beograd 1992 (courtesy of the Museum of Genocide Victims in Belgrad). More Details...

Jacobs John
John Jacobs was born in 1910 to Reginald and Irma. He was an officer. John perished in 1942 in Egypt at the age of 32. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his none. More Details...
note : killed in battle , El Alamein

Heiman Nysym
Nysym Heiman was born in Cairo in 1891 to Avraham and Berta. He was a merchant. Prior to WWII he lived in Undeciphered Place. During the war he was in Cairo, Egypt. Nysym perished in Cairo, Egypt. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left). More Details...
note : birthplace : Cairo , place during war : Cairo , place of death : Cairo

Nabel Zygmunt
Zygmunt Nabel was born in Krakow in 1900. He was a merchant and married. Prior to WWII he lived in Krakow, Poland.
During the war he was in Army Anders, Poland. Zygmunt perished in 1944 in Egypt.
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his nephew. More Details...

Abramsohn Rafael
Rafael Abramsohn was born in Kuldiga in 1908 to Markus and Mara nee Hirschmann. He was a lawyer and married to Alice nee Minsker. Prior to WWII he lived in Riga, Latvia. Rafael perished in 1942 in Russia (USSR) at the age of 33. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his niece. Mo
note : "im Kampf gegen den Nazifeind gefallen" (KIA)
also to note : submitter : LIA VOLODINA (nee Levit) , former soviet citizen
NOW living in Berlin ! submitted in 2005 (!) ( one of the many jewish people from
former sovietunion now living in Germany)


also more then 1000 results for Leningrad ( killed in action or a victim of the siege)



see more :

Dr. Jeckler Bernard

Dr. Bernard Jeckler was born in Lemberg in 1905 to Yaakov and Sara. He was a general practitioner and married.
Dr. Jeckler perished in 1941 in Katyn, Murder Site. ????

This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his father-in-law. More Details...


Atlan Zeraya
Zeraya Atlan was born in Setif in 1916 to Moche and Rosela. He was a shoemaker. Prior to WWII he lived in Setif, Algeria. During the war he was in Setif, Algeria.
Zeraya perished in 1944 in Monte Cassino, Italy.
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his relative

8 entries for "monte cassino, italy"


Kornreich Otto
Otto Kornreich was born in Wien in 1900 to Philipp and Rosa nee Kraf. He was married to Gisela. Prior to WWII he lived in Wien, Austria. During the war he was in USSR.
Otto perished in 1942 in Karaganda, Kazakhstan (USSR)
at the age of 42. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his spouse.
note : 1938 emigrated to Latvija ; concentration camp Sibiria , deported to Kazakstan...
note : 15 entries for "Karaganda"

Hendler Mates
Mates Hendler was born in Chryplin in 1866 to Herz. He was a businessman and married to Chana. Prior to WWII he lived in Wien, Austria. During the war he was in Lwow, Poland.
Mates perished in 1943 in Karaganda, Kazakhstan (USSR) at the age of 77. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his son. More Details...
note : "stroke due to wartime privation" (aged 77 !)

finally (for today):
search result "United states"
Mr. Schweid
Mr. Schweid was born in United States to Leon and Jaia. He was married. Prior to WWII he lived in United States. During the war he was in United States. He perished in Army, United States. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his cousin. More Details..
note : killed in action in africa

Szyfman Yacov
Yacov Szyfman was born in Swierz in 1908 to Isidor and Anna nee Ginsberg. He was single. Prior to WWII he lived in New York, United States. Yacov perished in 1935 in New York, United States at the age of 27. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his nephew.
note : "killed by american nazi" 1935 New York

Verstandig Salomon
Salomon Verstandig was born in Sokolow to Isaac. Prior to WWII he lived in Duesseldorf, Germany. During the war he was in Belgium.
Salomon perished in 1944 in New York, United States.
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his son. More Details...
note : "from coronary thrombosis"

Zimmerman Leonard
Leonard Zimmerman was born in United States to Morris and Ida. Prior to WWII he lived in New York, United States. Leonard perished in Army, United States at the age of 19. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by hi
"battle of bulge"

Beigel Gerald
Gerald Beigel was born in Berlin in 1926 to Aron and Frieda. He was single. Prior to WWII he lived in New York, United States. During the war he was in Alsace Lorraine Geo Region, France. Gerald perished in 1945 in Army, United States. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left).
"us army , stepped on teller mine"

thats pretty cool :
Hecht Rudolph

Rudolph Hecht was born in Maroldsweisach in 1911 to Max and Jenny nee Goldsmith. He was a farmer and married to Hertha nee Mendel. During the war he was in Maroldsweisach, Germany.
Rudolph perished in 1996 !!! in United States at the age of 85.!!!!!
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (PDF) (displayed on left) submitted b
circumstances of death : died at the age of 85 because of imprisonment 55 years ago

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby ovd1965 » 9 years 9 months ago (Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:32 am)

short additional suggestion :

they should not only add all people who died from natural causes or age all over the world during 1933 and 1945,

I suggest also to add all people who died from an traffic accident at the United states during the H.

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby Cloud » 9 years 9 months ago (Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:14 pm)

JERUSALEM -- Israel's Holocaust memorial says it has now identified four million of the six million Jews who were killed by Nazis in the Holocaust of World War II.

How were they killed and what's your proof? Better not be some eyewitness statement.

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby ovd1965 » 9 years 9 months ago (Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:25 am)

"surfing" the database of YV is very interesting , it shows that it is in no way serious , especially for suggesting

- that they list names of murdered people
- that the names/cases are proven
- that in all cases , the nazis are the murderer

example for thousends of double countings :
Wiersch Siegfried
Siegfried Wiersch was born in Schwetz in 1886 to Baer. He was a merchant and married to Marta. Prior to WWII he lived in Strasburg. During the war he was in Strasburg. Siegfried perished in Warszawa, Ghetto. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his child.
note : wife : Martha
Wiersch Sigfried
Sigfried Wiersch was born in Schwetz. He was a merchant. Prior to WWII he lived in Strasburg, Germany. During the war he was in Strasburg, Germany. Sigfried perished in 1942 in Lodz, Camp. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his son. More Details...
note : wife : Martha

Bruell Magda
Magda Bruell was born in Sashalom in 1924 to Geza and Berta nee Neufeld. She was single. Prior to WWII she lived in Ujpest, Hungary. During the war she was in Ujpest, Hungary. Magda perished in 1945 in Dresden, Germany at the age of 21. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her sister.
note : died february 1945 Dresden , Zeiss Ikon Werke !! (from what ? german gas or british bombs)

Frydman Eliyahu
Eliyahu Frydman was born in Zdunska Wola in 1910 to Tovyah. He was an agent and married to Dina. Prior to WWII he lived in Zdunska Wola, Poland. During the war he was in Lodz, Poland. Eliyahu perished in 1945 in Dresden,
Germany at the age of 35. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by his grandson. More Details...
note : 1.) Lodz Ghetto , 2.) Auschwitz 3.) died 1945 Dresden : Illness
a bit of strange fate : surviving Lodz Ghetto and Auschwitz ext camp , but died in Dresden
from illness


Kelemen Lilla

Lilla Kelemen nee Loble was born in Nagyvarad in 1917 to Laszlo and Magdolna nee Balogh. She was married to Laszlo. Prior to WWII she lived in Nagyvarad, Romania. During the war she was in Nagyvarad, Ghetto.
Lilla perished in 1945 in Dresden,
Camp at the age of 28. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (signed PDF) (displayed on left) submitted by her brother, a Shoah survivor. More Details..

note : "perished by bombing "



Wreschner Lucienne

Lucienne Wreschner was born in Amsterdam in 1940 to Arnold and Alice. Prior to WWII she lived in Amsterdam, Netherlands.
During the war she was in Bergen Belsen, Camp.
Lucienne perished in 1945 in Zeithain, Germany. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her aunt. More

note : was in Bergen Belsen then in Hospital at Zeithain and died from thypus .


it is remarkably , that a lot of people perishing in 1945 in German towns like Dresden have an
interesting journey from Ghettos and ext. camps to germany.



Kuschinski Helen

Helen Kuschinski nee Goldstein was born in Ruskova in 1886 to Abraham and Rivka nee Hecht. She was a businesswoman and married to Paul. Prior to WWII she lived in Hamburg, Germany. During the war she was in Hamburg, Germany.
Helen perished in 1943 in Hamburg, Germany at the age of 57.
This information is based on a Page of Testimony (signed PDF) (displayed on left) submitted by her granddaughter.

note : died in 1943 Hamburg bombing


Kraitzer Shmerl

Shmerl Kraitzer was born in Riga in 1912 to Meer. Prior to WWII he lived in Latvia. During the war he was in Army, USSR. Shmerl perished in 1941 in Yelagino, Russia (USSR) at the age of 29. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left). More Details...

soldier , at the front

note : more then 1000 results for deathplace "Moscow", most of them soldier killed in action



Burdman Miriam

Miriam Burdman was born in Sokiryany in 1880. She was a housewife and married to Israel. Prior to WWII she lived in Sokiryany, Romania. During the war she was in Sokiryany, Romania. Miriam perished in 1943 in Ural Geo Region, USSR at the age of 63. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her great-grandson. More Details...

note : died at Ural Mountains from malnutrition



Bezdrowski* Mina

Mina Bezdrowski* nee Gutenberg was born in Bialystok in 1915. She was a housewife and married to Khaim. Prior to WWII she lived in Warszawa, Poland. During the war she was in Brzesc, Poland. Mina perished in 1939 in Russia (USSR) at the age of 25. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (signed PDF) (displayed on left) submitted by her son. More Details...

note : perished 1939 (!) in USSR (!) (Komi ASSR)



also interesting : search combination : date of death 1939 + deathplace USSR

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Re: Two-thirds of Jews killed in Holocaust identified

Postby Kingfisher » 9 years 9 months ago (Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:05 am)

ovd1965 wrote:Bruell Magda
Magda Bruell was born in Sashalom in 1924 to Geza and Berta nee Neufeld. She was single. Prior to WWII she lived in Ujpest, Hungary. During the war she was in Ujpest, Hungary. Magda perished in 1945 in Dresden, Germany at the age of 21. This information is based on a Page of Testimony (displayed on left) submitted by her sister.
note : died february 1945 Dresden , Zeiss Ikon Werke !! (from what ? german gas or british bombs)

YV search result
Results of search for victims whose first name (including synonyms) is 'Magda' , and whose family name (including synonyms) is 'Bruell' :
Displaying 1 - 10 of 10

Place of Residence (or Place of Birth)
Name Town District Region Country Birth Date Source
Brill Magda ZALAEGERSZEG ZALA HUNGARY 1922 List of ghetto inmates
Bruell Magda UJPEST PEST-PILIS-SOLT-KISKUN HUNGARY 1924 Page of Testimony
Bruell Magda EGER HEVES HUNGARY 1912 List of victims from Hungary
Bruell Magda KOMADI BIHAR HUNGARY 1923 List of victims from Hungary
Brull Magda EGER HEVES HUNGARY List of victims from Yizkor books
Brull Magda UJPEST PEST-PILIS-SOLT-KISKUN HUNGARY 1924 List of victims from Yizkor books
Brull Magda SASHALOM HUNGARY 1923 List of victims
Brull Magda List of victims
Chiba Magda DUNAKESZI PEST-PILIS-SOLT-KISKUN HUNGARY List of victims from Hungary
Chiba Magda DUNAKESZI PEST-PILIS-SOLT-KISKUN HUNGARY 1914 List of victims


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