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The Heretical Two

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:46 pm)

I've noticed that the lists here of revisionists in jail sometimes don't have Stephen Whittle and Simon Sheppard (the heretical two) on the list. (Thanks to "Teutonsuet" for mentioning them in another thread.)

These are two guys in jail for holocaust denial in England. Which is hard to grasp since holocaust denial isn't illegal there. They got them on racism instead. They posted a comic which explained holocaust denial ideas, and though sometimes the comic was a little off, that's largely why they went to jail. The comic mixed humor into the whole thing while explaining holocaust denial ideas. And they got big sentences. We can't forget these two guys. They are in the same category as jailed continental European deniers. Here's some excerpts of what they put on their site, though there is no link to this on their main page anymore.

http://www.heretical.com/holohoax/index.html

http://www.heretical.com/holohoax/hoax02b.gif

http://www.heretical.com/holohoax/hoax03b.gif

but this can be found on their main page:

‘Do I "deny the Holocaust"? No! No indeed. I hope the holocaust is not denied and never forgotten. I hope the holocaust is remembered as the greatest propaganda effort and hate campaign ever waged against a civilized people. We must never forget. We must look at the despoliation of our people and our culture and ask: Why do the heavens not darken? We have lost the will and courage to defend ourselves. The time has come to commit the new blasphemy. It is time to deny the gods of the New World Order.’

http://www.heretical.com/holohoax/hoax04b.gif

And this thread here on the forum, mentioned them 3 years ago:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5988&p=41441&hilit=heretical#p41441

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Re: The Heretical Two

Postby Kingfisher » 8 years 10 months ago (Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:30 am)

There's an earlier thread about Whittle and Sheppard: http://codoh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5988&p=41441&hilit=whittle&sid=4b465d5b01f99203ada5f02db56679e4&sid=4b465d5b01f99203ada5f02db56679e4#p41441 It includes a link to the comic.

The comic was a bit strong and my first impression was to regard it as distasteful, but the more I read it the more reasonable the points it was making seemed. It contained some unflattering stereotypes of the physical appearance of Jews that were reminiscent of images from Der Sturmer, and showed them driving Rolls-Royces through the parted Red Sea, but hell this is satire. Were these fundamentally different from the Danish cartoons of Mohammed, whose right to be published was generally supported? The hypocrisy is clear. I did read that they aggravated their case by pushing a copy under the door of a synagogue.

Their case has been totally ignored by the UK press, with the exception of the Yorkshire Post which carried a couple of news reports. A couple of condemnatory propaganda pieces on the BBC web site.

They received four and two years respectively for publishing on the Web on a server outside the UK (in the US). They went to the States to claim political asylum. This was rejected and they were sent back to face trial in Britain.

They didn't design the comic; it is dated 1989, and Bradley Smith is included in the credits!

People familiar with my posts here will know that I am a moderate liberal, but above all a sceptic, anti-racist and in no way anti-Jewish, though I despise the way the "anti-semitic" label is used to suppress legitimate criticism of Jews and Israelis. I have read the Heretical site and suspect I would strongly dislike these men if I were to meet them, but I totally condemn the travesty of justice that has caused them to be imprisoned. You can read their point of view on http://heretical.com/.

We are probably safe from overt anti-denial laws in the UK, but this case is worrying not only for the obvious injustice to these two men, but as a symptom of creeping covert action. Something similar happened in Sweden to someone who posted on this forum in early 2010, though his sentence of two months for "incitement against an ethnic group" was mild in comparison.
http://codoh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6126&p=42883&hilit=hets+mot&sid=4b465d5b01f99203ada5f02db56679e4&sid=4b465d5b01f99203ada5f02db56679e4#p42883

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Re: The Heretical Two

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 8 years 10 months ago (Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:57 pm)

Interesting. But where is Bradley Smith included in the credits?

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Re: The Heretical Two

Postby Kingfisher » 8 years 10 months ago (Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:38 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:Interesting. But where is Bradley Smith included in the credits?

With the rest of the credits, at the bottom of the last page. But I think they are somewhat "indirect" credits, reflecting inspiration rather than actual contribution, since Juvenal, Swift, Twain and Mencken also get a mention.


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