montague wrote:[This is an interesting exchange from Dr Fred Töben's mailing list. The accusations and replies are separated into paragraphs.
A revisionist book needs to be written on the German war against, and occupation of, Poland. Nationalist Poles - equally as much as Jews - have been active in developing and spreading the Holocaust hoax, and what's more, Poles claim co-victim status with the Jews. (In the official Holocaust literature, the Nazis "gassed" 3 million (!) Polish non-Jews along with 3 million Polish Jews).
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:55:04 +1030
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It was Elie Wiesel who chose to leave Auschwitz with the Germans instead of waiting for the Russians, not Simon Wiesenthal.
Russian soldiers raped German women, not Polish and not Hungarian. They had an order to behave in Poland but do what they felt like once they crossed to Germany.
Not true, according to the testimonies of many German women who had been raped and beaten by Poles, and then forced out of German territory (that had been stolen by Poland after WW1).
My mother-in-law was acting as a nurse in 1939 and looking after German refugees fleeing Poland before the war started, she told me that a number of women had been badly tortured by Poles, some of them had been nailed through their tongues onto doors and tables and had terrible wounds (before the war started!!!)
German soldiers raped too, but in a different way. They caught women to be prostitutes in hotels "for Germans only". These women were kept as prisoners, regularly checked by doctors for infectious diseases.
Dana there is a major difference between women who are paid and work as prostitutes (such as those who worked in concentration camps for 2RM per customer) and women who are gang-raped by hordes of men. These women were not forced to be prostitutes as a matter of fact many tried to get preganant so they could be freed from factory work....the Brothels in the concentration camps had radios, music, flowers on the tables, and their customers bought them perfume, fancy underwear and jazzrecords, one such brothel was THIS one in Buchenwald Camp (Foto courtesy of the Camp museum) in it you cann see the flowers, radio and ashtrays.
One such hotel/restaurant was the Hotel Astoria on 49 Chmielna St. in Warsaw. Probably in 1942, during a Russian air raid, the civilian Polish population that lived in another part of the building and the German soldiers from the hotel/restaurant all hid together in the cellars and all were frightened. The women hostages were left locked up in the hotel.
I remember standing next to a German soldier who was shaking with fright and I, frightened too, kept pulling at his arm asking when the air raid will end. At one time, during the Warsaw Uprising in 1944, some extremely gruesome photographs of sexual torture of these women by Germans in uniform were scattered out of that building when the building was hit.
During this time of the uprising many Poles put on German uniforms, I have seen many Polish films on TV here proving this, plus I have many original photos showing Czechs and Poles dressed in German uniforms shooting naked German prisoners in the neck after these partisans had stolen the uniforms...these photos were shown world wide as 'proof' of German brutality JUST as Stalins STAVKA order which required that Russian soldiers put on captured German uniforms and destroy Russian villages(ers) in order to stop the population welcoming the Germans.
Germans dropped bombs on civilian population in Warsaw right at the beginning of the War. I was there. I became sick with panic so that my Mother took me out toward Eastern Poland with the hope of escaping the bombs and also to connect with my Father who was then stationed in Brzesc on the Bug River.
What do you expect after Pilsudski had, in 1919, built 2 concentration camps and in 1826 another 2 camps, and the Poles imprisoned tens of thousands of Germans and Ukrainians and forced 50.000 Germans living in Schlesien, Prussia etc out of their homes.
I have friends who were children then, and whose whole family was MURDERED by Polish militia BEFORE the war started.
Ridz-Smigly was quoted by the Daily Mail August 6th 1939 as saying 'Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to!'
Radio Warsaw declared war on Germany at midnight of the 31st Aug 1939, and Dana tell us all what it says on this Polish placard printed in 1930 threatening Germany...in 1930 Germany was NOT threatening Poland was it???? So WHO was the aggressor????
As we, and thousands of other civilians with children tried to escape the city, German planes would come low and machine-gun. I remember, one day, already quite a distance East, my Mother and I hid in a field of carrots when we heard a German plane approaching. Next to that field was a field with stacks of harvested buckwheat. And to a side a little boy tending several cows. The German pilot kept returning to shoot at the buckwheat stacks and at the boy and his cows killing the child and the cows.
The writer, and other Germans who remind that it was the Soviets who killed Polish officers at Katyn, conveniently withhold that those soldiers were killed because, in the first place, Hitler attacked Poland. Secondly, they fell to the Russians because of the Hitler's pact with them in 1939. While the Russians were murdering Poles in the East, the Germans were rounding up Polish professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers, top of the society and murdering them.
Dana this is total rubbish, Hitler made a pact with Russia AFTER he tried to make friendly gestures to Poland remember it was GERMAN and AUSTRIAN troops that freed Poland from Russia in 1917...and 4 years later the Polish Govt stole large areas of German territory.
The stories of Poles murdering Germans in 1939 the Western borders is a known Hitlerian propaganda which has been debunked by historians, including German. That propaganda was in preparations years before 1939 in order to make the Germans soldiers better killers of Poles when the War would start. At the onset of the War, Germans who lived in Poland quickly became the Fifth Column. Those by the Western borders were shooting at Polish soldiers who then retaliated.
OH REALLY !! Then Dana you should write to the German Govt demanding this book be taken off the market because its got all the documentation in it regarding the MURDER of thousands of German civilians by Polish Militia in 1939 AND please tell my friend Siegfried who STILL has the bayonet wound in his arm that killed his grandfather that the Poles were NOT murdering innocent civilians (5700 in Bromberg alone)
When next you come here, I will show you German photographs of what the Germans did to Poland. The German claims to lands is almost amusing considering that Dresden is a Slavic name, Rostock (Rostok, roztoka) is a Polish word pertaining to water. Germans took part in the partitions of Poland. German terms as "Lebenstraum", - with the view to the East of course, and "Drang nach osten (spelling ?)" are proof of German historic intentions.
Poland did NOT exist before the year AD 966, we know that for sure by admissions made in 1956 by the Polish Bishops Stefan Wyszynski and Karol Woytyla, who had been commissioned to write an historical letter of "Reconciliation" The Polish language was only invented around 1466 and the Polish King Casimir spoke German and the first Polish books were printed in Germany in 1521.
Danzig had already been established by Germans in the year 740, which is therefore around 200 years before Poland was created and the so-called Polish names of Rostock and Danzig etc...well Polish was derived from German NOT the other way around...
Gute Nacht....Paul aus Hamburg
It is not a good idea to be so selective and convoluting history. In effect, you are doing the same as the Jews.
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friedrich braun wrote: Is there an English version of the German book chronicling atrocities committed by the Poles against the German minority?
Also, what is the status of those allegations in modern-day Germany? Has the German government given these allegations its official imprimatur? In other words, has the German government, or authorities, taken a stand vis-a-vis these atrocities? (After all, these atrocities are regularly dismissed by the western court hisorians as "Nazi propaganda", etc.)
Not that I know of. As far as I know the "German" government does not even recognize that there were 12 or so million Germans expelled from Eastern Germany. The "German" government refused to erect a memorial in Berlin in memory of the German refugees. Because the Poles objected. It seems to be politically not correct.
Well, since the book (and I presume that it's the book detailing Polish atrocities against Germans that's referred to in this instance) hasn't been taken off the marked, that it must mean that the German government is comfortable with the information it contains. Do we know if the Poles tried to have it taken off the market, or sue the publisher, etc.?
Also, how accessible is this book in Germany, can anyone buy it in a German bookstore?
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