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"Prisoner of Peace" Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

Postby Pappy Yokum » 8 years 3 months ago (Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:07 pm)

In another example of the paranoia of the victors, if you missed it, ...

http://www.rferl.org/content/rudolf_hess_grave_destroyed/24272544.html
Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

July 21, 2011
The grave containing the remains of Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess has been destroyed to end it being used as a pilgrimage site.

Hess's bones were exhumed at dawn on July 21 at the graveyard in the Bavarian town of Wunsiedel.

The administrator of the graveyard, Andreas Fabel, said the remains were cremated and the ashes will be scattered at sea.

Because of neo-Nazis paying homage, including performing Hitler salutes in the churchyard, the Lutheran church's council refused a request by Hess's descendants to extend a lease on the plot.

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Re: "Prisoner of Peace" Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

Postby Hans » 8 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:02 am)

Aha, I did not know yet that the Lutheran church's council of Wunsiedel was a victor of WWII. Thanks for the info! :)

By the way, the descendants of Hess were in fact convinced by the local Lutheran church not to extend the plot, and if not they could have gone a legal way to try to force it.

Anyway, in case Revisionists complain about Hess being finally incinerated with the agreement of his descendants, I wonder how furious they are on the practice in National Socialism to incinerate for instance concentration camp prisoners or Euthanasia victims without even asking descendants and given the chance to object legally. They must be really angry then.

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Re: "Prisoner of Peace" Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

Postby The Warden » 8 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:57 am)

Hans wrote:Aha, I did not know yet that the Lutheran church's council of Wunsiedel was a victor of WWII. Thanks for the info! :)

By the way, the descendants of Hess were in fact convinced by the local Lutheran church not to extend the plot, and if not they could have gone a legal way to try to force it.

Anyway, in case Revisionists complain about Hess being finally incinerated with the agreement of his descendants, I wonder how furious they are on the practice in National Socialism to incinerate for instance concentration camp prisoners or Euthanasia victims without even asking descendants and given the chance to object legally. They must be really angry then.


I know Han's response will be deleted (and rightfully so), but why not respond for fun anyway?

It's always fun to watch Believers defend the uprooting of a Nazi grave while they protect the alleged mass graves of Jews.

I guess Revisionists should've poured a huge cement memorial on the grave site of the German to "protect" it. It works for the Jews!
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Re: "Prisoner of Peace" Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

Postby Hannover » 8 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:48 pm)

Hans wrote:Aha, I did not know yet that the Lutheran church's council of Wunsiedel was a victor of WWII. Thanks for the info! :)

By the way, the descendants of Hess were in fact convinced by the local Lutheran church not to extend the plot, and if not they could have gone a legal way to try to force it.

Anyway, in case Revisionists complain about Hess being finally incinerated with the agreement of his descendants, I wonder how furious they are on the practice in National Socialism to incinerate for instance concentration camp prisoners or Euthanasia victims without even asking descendants and given the chance to object legally. They must be really angry then.

The Warden is absolutely correct. They dig up the supposed remains of Hess, but cannot show us a single, verifiable excavation of a 'holocaust' mass grave of Jews as alleged. And true, excavations are prohibited by the paving over / blocking of the alleged mass graves of Jews in many of the so called 'death' camps. That alone is damning to the laughable 'holocaust' storyline. They are hiding the fact that there are no Jewish remains as alleged. 'Holocaust' Revisionism could be ended overnight if the Jewish supremacists could show us the mass graves as alleged. They cannot.*

And since exhumation of a grave and destruction of the remains would require government approval, what the Lutherans wanted is irrelevant. And no one said that the Lutherans were responsible for the exhumation in the first place, only that they would not extend the plot.

And Hans again seems to be in denial that typhus victims were / are properly and necessarily cremated to avoid contagion.

Hans also presents no proof that the Germans legal and merciful euthanization program involved unwanted and unapproved cremation. Euthanization was, and still is considered to be a fair and merciful manner of relieving the incurable of their suffering. The Germans euthanization was no big deal. I note that Hans has not started a thread and presented proof to the contrary.

* for example, see here:
'Concealing the Lack of Evidence at Treblinka'
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Re: "Prisoner of Peace" Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

Postby stefanob » 8 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:50 pm)

This is a very sad thing. The life of Rudolf Hess had been sad already. :(

But other stone sanctuaries will be uprooted when the time will come. And it WILL.

Hey, uprooted = ausrotten... WOW, doesn't mean "murdered", see?
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Re: "Prisoner of Peace" Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

Postby Pappy Yokum » 8 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:27 pm)

Hans wrote:Aha, I did not know yet that the Lutheran church's council of Wunsiedel was a victor of WWII. Thanks for the info! :)

By the way, the descendants of Hess were in fact convinced by the local Lutheran church not to extend the plot, and if not they could have gone a legal way to try to force it.

Anyway, in case Revisionists complain about Hess being finally incinerated with the agreement of his descendants, I wonder how furious they are on the practice in National Socialism to incinerate for instance concentration camp prisoners or Euthanasia victims without even asking descendants and given the chance to object legally. They must be really angry then.


Certainly the German Lutheran church is a branch of the German government which collects a tax to fund it. The German government is very involved in religion to the point of instructing the Catholic Pope on what to do about apostate priests who have lost the Holocaust faith. The German government is a creature of the victors of WWII and the Lutheran church is part of it.

Thanks for the sarcasm, though. :)

I can see how Hess's family might be convinced not to extend the lease on the plot just as I can see how someone can be convinced to hand over a pocketbook. You may be correct, though it may be a simple coincidence that what has happened to Rudolf Hess's grave fits a pattern that has been consistent for the past 66 years:

Adolf Hitler's remains were buried and reburied in secret locations to be finally be unearthed once more and cremated. The ashes were then scattered to the wind.

Heinrich Himmler's corpse was buried in a secret location to keep it being used as a pilgrimage site.

Goering, Streicher, Rosenberg, Ribbentrop, Seyss-Inquart, Keitel, Kaltenbrunner, Frank & Frank, Sauckel, & Jodl were all cremated and their ashes scattered to keep their graves from becoming pilgrimage sites.

When Hess died, Spandau Prison was destroyed to keep it being used as a pilgrimage site.

In 1995, 75 year old Reinhold Eltsner set himself on fire to protest the unrelenting anti-German propaganda. People were forbidden from placing flowers or creating a memorial at the spot where the self-immolation took place. They didn't want it to become a pilgrimage site.

Wasn't Hitler's sister's grave in the news in the last few years too? I think it got moved or removed or there was a push to remove it.

I was actually surprised to learn Hess had been buried in a grave and not had his remains scattered about like these other men had. It made me believe that Germany was finally showing it had a little character. Sadly, that did not last. I suspect there were people planning to get Hess's grave destroyed even before the first shovel load of earth was thrown on the casket.

As for the National Socialists and the way they treated the remains of people in their care and custody, I agree with you. I condemn it. I can't muster a lot of rage though since that regime has been dead for around three generations. Sure, we can huff and puff at Hitler and Stalin and Churchill and Roosevelt for what they did, but what is the point? They are all dead. All we can do is learn from what they did.

Furthermore people should not be caged by the state, nor forced to labor for the state, or anyone, but work at occupations of their own choosing for their own benefit. What happens to their remains is less of an issue, but such do not belong to the state. Rather, it should be up to the family as to the disposition of the remains of family members who have died. This is fundamental. The socialist state sees its perpetuation as the goal of society and that all members of the society are its property. That is why there are prison camps. That is why there is conscription. That is why it believes the state should decide everything. The people, even their remains, belong to the state and exist for its benefit.

Nazism is dead. All of the pilgrimage sites in the world are not going to bring it back. I don't see why this feared cloud of Hitler's ashes still hangs over Europe. Acts like the destruction of Hess's grave reminds me of the ancient Egyptians chiseling away the names of prior rulers they no longer liked - erasing them from history.

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Re: "Prisoner of Peace" Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

Postby borjastick » 8 years 2 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:17 pm)

I can actually sympathise with the locals in the town and the church for wanting to remove the remains and shut the grave site. To be the focus of the neo nazi bootboys and associated loonies would be at the very least annoying.

The real issue for me is the whole history of Hess' flight to UK and whether it was actually him or a double. Books have been written. Their case is fairly strong. One wonders why no pictures of the Hess in captivity during the war and afterwards were ever taken/released. Why was this man, who seemingly had little to do with the war and less to do with the Holocaust, imprisoned until his death?

Perhaps it wasn't the real man and the truth would be an embarrassment or maybe it was Hess and he had secrets to release that would cause ructions in the west.
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Re: "Prisoner of Peace" Rudolf Hess's Grave Destroyed

Postby Pappy Yokum » 8 years 2 months ago (Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:33 pm)

borjastick wrote:I can actually sympathise with the locals in the town and the church for wanting to remove the remains and shut the grave site. To be the focus of the neo nazi bootboys and associated loonies would be at the very least annoying.

The real issue for me is the whole history of Hess' flight to UK and whether it was actually him or a double. Books have been written. Their case is fairly strong. One wonders why no pictures of the Hess in captivity during the war and afterwards were ever taken/released. Why was this man, who seemingly had little to do with the war and less to do with the Holocaust, imprisoned until his death?

Perhaps it wasn't the real man and the truth would be an embarrassment or maybe it was Hess and he had secrets to release that would cause ructions in the west.


I understand what you mean, but the Hess grave site is by no means unique in that it attracted people. I believe I read the grave of Jim Morrison attracted drug abusers who would party there leaving needles and graffiti. Even U.S. Grant's tomb was being used by vagrants who left trash around it. The problem isn't the grave. If people are doing illegal things at the site, arrest them, then make it more secure.

The family of Hess called the double story crazy. Hess was a political prisoner of the cold war. Why he was kept in prison so long, I think, had more to do with cold war politics than with anything he did. His imprisonment toward the end became an embarrassment that the politicians couldn't figure out how to end. He lived longer than they expected and his release was not something that was acceptable to some powerful lobby groups.


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