Request for picture sources

[Raymond]

Hi all,

I was wondering if anybody knew of the origin of these ridiculous pictures and where I can find better copies. They look to be from some propaganda film or movie. I would reeeeealllllyyyy appreciate the help!! Thanks!
-Ray

[Malle]

Where did you find these photos?

[Raymond]

I do not remember, they have circulated the internet for some time and I have had them saved in my files for years. I remember one site said they were supposedly from an "SS training video"

I wish I could remember what I had initially been searching when I found them but it was some time ago and I just recently rediscovered them in my files.

[Hannover]

I assume those staged photos originated from the same or similar shysters who produced the ones below.

There are tons of faked and altered photos posted at this forum. Here's a classic:
see:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1060
from the Wiesenthal Center:

but in reality:


And these are real gems:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5810&p=41022

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5454&p=35833

and not to be missed:
Do "Documentary" Photographs Prove the
National Socialist Extermination of the Jews?
by UDO WALENDY
http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcffor.html

If you use our search function for 'fake photos', you will get quite a few.

You must always ask for a verifiable source, which you won't get of course.

Only liars use faked photos.

- Hannover

[Malle]

I do not remember, they have circulated the internet for some time and I have had them saved in my files for years. I remember one site said they were supposedly from an "SS training video"

I wish I could remember what I had initially been searching when I found them but it was some time ago and I just recently rediscovered them in my files.

Sometimes you can get lucky with a search at http://www.tineye.com, but not for the photos above. If you take Hannover's avatar you will get 8 hits.

[Raymond]

Yes, there certainly some knee slappers, but I was hoping someone would know the specific origin of these scenes. As I said, they are clearly from some movie or propaganda film, I'm sure there must be someone who knows the specific source for these particular images.

I've heard of tineye but never used it. That will certainly help in the future, thanks!

[Malle]

Yes, it could probably be a propaganda film like this (photo 5)
http://www.air-photo.com/english/exhibit.html

[Toshiro]

I've seen those before, but never was there a source mentioned. It is most definitely from some Soviet propaganda film. Notice the pathetic SS patch written with paint on the sleeve in the first and last picture, which shouldn't even be there.

[Cloud]

Now where have I seen something like this before? I can't...quite...remember...















Oh, that's right. Now I remember.

[Hannover]

The source of this wacky image could be it, see:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5042&p=32633


- Hannover

[Hannover]

Here's another Jewish supremacist site with loads of photos captioned by who knows who to mean anything they wish the naive viewer to believe. Maybe they have what you're looking for, Raymond.

'Teacher's Guide to the Holocaust'
http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/default.htm

examples:

captioned:

View of the ravine at Babi Yar circa 1944. On September 29-30, 1941, more than 33,000 Jewish residents of Kiev were marched to this site and systematically gunned down over the edge of the ravine by members of the Sonderkommando 4a of Einstazgruppen C. Thousands of Gypsies and Soviet POWs were also executed at this site between 1941 and 1943.
Photo credit: Central Archives October Revolution, courtesy of USHMM Photo ARchives

That's preposterous considering all they would need to do to prove the claim is dig. Have they? Nope. They don't dare. There's some excellent threads here which demolish the Babi Yar lie.

and:

captioned:

A young mother and her two children sit among a large group of Jews from Lubny who have been assembled for mass execution on October 16, 1941.
Photo credit: Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv, courtesy of USHMM Photo Archives

And proof of this? None. And of course the Germans were supposedly doing this in secret, but yet we have close-up photos of a claimed 'killing operation'. Laughable.

But this is the so called 'holocaust', forget about proof.

- Hannover

[Toshiro]

I found the first and last pictures on the Holocaust Education & Archive Research Team (H.E.A.R.T) website. It is a sister site of the Aktion Reinhard Camps (deathcamps.org) website. It is/was also full of inaccuracies and grammatical mistakes. Very amateurish.

The ARC website hosts fake photos (albeit with a notice), but neither it nor the H.E.A.R.T website put any effort into checking the authenticity of their photos. Just send them something Holocaust-ish and they just might upload it. Case in point: "SORTING BARRACKS".
Sergey Romanov, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Nick Terry and Michael Peters have in the past under the guise of "Andy Schmidt" sent them fake photos which they accepted, but have since been removed. Edit 3: I'm not claiming this to be true, it's just what I've read.

In the H.E.A.R.T album the above photos appear in, they list the sources as:

Private Collections
Holocaust Historical Society
BundesArchiv
NARA
PRO
USHMM

The "Holocaust Historical Society" refers to ARC and H.E.A.R.T. themselves. The "private collections" are obviously images sent to them, either authentic or not.

I've checked at USHMM, but they do not have these photos.

I've also contacted H.E.A.R.T for a source, but an automated response told me that their "researchers" are sifting through data in Germany, Poland and Ukraine, and cannot respond back at this time due to the "thousands" of mails they receive each week.

Edit:
Here, here and here are "re-enactments" after the liberation of Dachau.

The photographs in question could be "re-enactments" from the Mauthausen camp, which had a granite quarry. Here is another fake photo from the Mauthausen camp: viewtopic.php?p=1991.

Edit 2:
It could also come from Sachsenhausen (Germany), which was liberated by the Soviets and also had a quarry. Here is another fake photo captioned "Sachsenhausen: Photo found on a SS". They even claim there were gassings there.

[Hans]

The ARC website hosts fake photos (albeit with a notice), but neither it nor the H.E.A.R.T website put any effort into checking the authenticity of their photos. Just send them something Holocaust-ish and they just might upload it. Case in point: "SORTING BARRACKS".
Sergey Romanov, Roberto Muehlenkamp and Nick Terry have in the past sent them fake photos which they accepted, but have since been removed.

Toshiro,

allow me to correct you that Sergey Romanov, Roberto Muehlenkamp and Nick Terry did not send fake photos, but in contrary, Sergey Romanov exposed in fact fake documents submitted by someone else, please see http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... fakes.html

[Toshiro]

Hans, thank you, I have corrected my post.

[Blogbuster]

HANS

Is the blog post by Sergey Romanov meant to be definitive proof that he in fact did not plant fakes and forgeries?
As I'm sure you know, there are tons of blogs that say otherwise.
Most here know the history of Sergey Romanov, and I doubt many people buy his claim. The facts just don't add up.

He gets kick out of the ARC group for what? Exposing a fake planted by the German guy Michael Peters? A tough sell HANS.

I read this on the Hate Blog Watch Forum, I'm wondering who's to be believed?

http://hateblogwatch.yuku.com/sreply/12 ... TILL-PLAYS

Now whether or not the Hate Blog Watchers are to be believed is up to the individual reader, but I think most here would be hard pressed to put stock in the hysterical rantings of Sergey Romanov.

Just my two pfennings worth

BB