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Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 7 years 10 months ago (Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:12 pm)

Comment: Considering that all the lies and contradictions Elie Wiesel has been caught in have not brought him down ... how can the revisionist community get the public to pay attention to this, the biggest lie of all?

Wiesel claims to be someone he knows he is not, and the reason why is clear. Why should anyone believe he was an inmate at Buchenwald? All the evidence is against that claim, not for it. Thus, the counter-claim that Elie Wiesel was never an inmate at Buchenwald must be made widely known. Who else to do it but members of the revisionist community. Where are they?

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Gigantic Fraud Carried Out for Wiesel Nobel Prize
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Proof that the man in the famous Buchenwald photograph is NOT Elie Wiesel.

With the help of the New York Times and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, Elie Wiesel and his backers did not shy away from criminal deceit by purposely misidentifying an unknown face in this famous photo as belonging to Elie Wiesel.


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The above high-resolution photograph of Buchenwald survivors was first published in the New York Times on May 6, 1945 with the caption “Crowded Bunks in the Prison Camp at Buchenwald”. It was taken inside Block #56 by Private H. Miller of the Civil Affairs Branch of the U.S. Army Signal Corps on April 16, 1945, five days after the Buchenwald camp was liberated by a division of the US Third Army on April 11, 1945. None of the men in the picture were identified at that time.

The U.S. Army photographer was in block #56, not #66

The U.S. Army photographer said he was inside Block #56. The “children’s block” that housed the so-called “boys of Buchenwald” was #66. This was not a typo. Note that these men are not children or teenagers, except for the youngster on the lower left who has been correctly identified as 16 yr. old Myklos (Nikolaus) Grüner, and a couple others. These adults appear to be a mixture of sick individuals suffering from a wasting disease (Grüner learned after liberation he had TB), along with basically healthy men who were also in that block for some reason five days after they had been freed. As we have read from many Buchenwald inmates, they moved about at will from the day of liberation onward. In Elie Wiesel’s book Night, he even says that some of the boys in his block went to the city of Weimar the very next day to steal potatoes and rape girls.

The true facts of this photograph have never been told and perhaps are not known. (Grüner has written in Stolen Identity that he left a procession of youths being led to the camp entrance on the morning of April 11, scurried into the nearest barracks and jumped into an empty bunk space. It turned out to be this one.) But because of the man standing there stark naked except for a piece of clothing held in his hands to cover himself, this photograph was likely staged. In any event, it was never represented as the “children’s barracks.” Still, Elie Wiesel inexplicably once told an interviewer for the German weekly Die Zeit that this picture was taken in the Children’s Block and all these men were really teenagers even though they looked old. (Source: “1945 und Heute: Holocaust,” Die Zeit, April 21, 1995.)

Kenneth Waltzer wrote to EWCTW on Nov. 14, 2010: “Eli Wiesel was indeed the Lazar Wiesel who was admitted to Buchenwald on January 26, 1945, who was subsequently shifted to block 66…” and Waltzer repeated in another comment on June 27, 2011 that “— after his father died — Elie Wiesel was moved in early February to block 66, the kinderblock. Miklos Gruner too was in block 66. Elie Wiesel was there with other boys from Sighet, who knew him.”

But we are also to accept that on April 16 Wiesel was in block 56, even though he didn’t report any such move in his book Night. In fact, in that fictitious story Wiesel says he became deathly ill with food poisoning three days after liberation (April 14) and spent the next two weeks in hospital (pg 115, Marion Wiesel translation). That in itself precludes his being in this photograph taken on April 16!

Whom do you believe—the New York Times or your own eyes?


Not Wiesel

You can see for yourself from these two high-quality photographs supplied to me by a helpful reader that the face on the left is not Wiesel. On the right is Elie Wiesel in 1944 at the age of 15.

The inmate on the left definitely has an aquiline nose and full, even sensual, lips. In this close-up, the receding hairline is visible on the recently shaved head. On the right, the real 15-year-old Elie Wiesel exhibits a normal youthful hairline, a differently shaped nose and thinner lips. He also has a higher forehead than the more roundish-headed inmate. The eyes of the man on the left are not as deep-set under the eyebrows. His somewhat surprised, curious expression is not typical of Wiesel, whose expression was generally reserved, and often hooded.


The close-up on the left appears to be the real Elie Wiesel in France later in 1945. He would be 17 years old in this picture. Notice the non-receding, youthful hairline with a long front lock hanging to the side, and the concave (not aquiline) nose .

This close-up image is from the photograph below, which is found at the USHMM Survivor Resource Center with the caption given below.



Jewish boys gather for a prayer service in a chapel in an OSE children’s home. Those pictured include Elie Wiesel (seen in profile, back right) and Jakob Rybsztajn standing next to him facing the camera.

(I note that Elie Wiesel is older than the other boys in this picture, giving credence to the idea that he acted in the role of counselor and sometime teacher to the newer, younger “religious” boys.)

Notice again the slight concave curve of the nose, the high forehead, deep-set eyes, large ears, sensitive mouth and slender neck. But also look at all that hair! The date of this picture is given by USHMM as 1945 and the location as Ambloy, [Loir et Cher] France. It says in the accompanying text “In October 1945 the children and staff of Ambloy were relocated to the Chateau de Vaucelles in Taverny (Val d’Oise).” That means this picture was taken between June and October 1945. They could have been celebrating Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur or Sukkot.

But could his hair have grown to such a length from a shaved head in April 1945? No way, and thus this is another proof that the liberated Buchenwald inmate with the shaved head is NOT Elie Wiesel.

A PDF from my valued contributer examines the ages of the small group more closely. Take a look:

four men in bunk

Who first identified Elie Wiesel in the famous Buchenwald liberation photo?

In October 1983, the New York Times published this photograph as part of an article in its high circulation Sunday NYT Magazine with the caption: “On April 11, 1945, American troops liberated the concentration camp’s survivors, including Elie, who later identified himself as the man circled in the photo.”



Coincidentally, it was 1983 when Wiesel’s friend Sigmund Strochlitz began campaigning for a Nobel prize for Wiesel. Letters of nomination are due into the Nobel committee by Feb.1 of each year, so by January 1984, the committee was receiving letters nominating Wiesel from U.S. Senators such as Daniel Moynihan and Barry Goldwater. (see “How Elie Wiesel Got the Nobel Peace Prize“) The effort continued, with new and ever more innovative ideas, through 1985 and 1986 with the help of John Silber, President of Boston University, Wiesel’s employer. Hundreds were enlisted into the effort.

The 1983 article in the New York Times that was the opening gun of the campaign was written by Jew Samuel Freedman and titled “Bearing Witness: The Life and Work of Elie Wiesel.” It included this line: “His name has been frequently mentioned as a possible recipient of a Nobel Prize, for either peace or literature.” Well, it had just begun to be mentioned … by this team of cheerleaders.

Wiesel pretends that he had nothing to do with it. In an interview in France in 2009, he said: “If you fight or if you do scientific research to get the Nobel, you never succeed and you should not succeed.” (Elie Wiesel, “messager de la memoire”) No, he did not fight but his mercenaries fought for him, and he used this photograph as his “research.” That this photograph played a large role is shown by the fact that immediately after the Nobel award ceremony in December 1986, Wiesel went to Yad Vashem Memorial in Jerusalem and posed in front of its prominent display there.



Elie Wiesel on Dec. 18, 1986 at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem

After the award was announced by the Nobel Committee, the New York Times published again on Nov. 1 a severely cropped version of the Buchenwald photo (below) with the caption: “Elie Wiesel, the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize (at far right in the top bunk) in the Buchenwald concentration camp in April 1945, when the camp was liberated by American troops.” The picture accompanied an article by Jew Martin Susskind titled, “A Voice from Bonn: History Cannot Be Shrugged Off.”





The role played by the tax-payer funded United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Elie Wiesel finagled his way to becoming Founding Chairman of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council in 1980 after being chosen in 1978 by President Jimmy Carter as chairman of the President’s Commission on the Holocaust. Why the United States needed to do anything at all about the “Holocaust” is something only the 2.5% Jewish population in this country can answer. It is to satisfy them. Wiesel continued to chair the Council until 1986, when he reached his goal of becoming a Nobel Laureate. The USHMM was undoubtedly an important institutional heavyweight that leveraged him to the Nobel.

The USHMM naturally accepted that Wiesel was in the famous photograph as soon as he and the New York Times said he was. If you think the museum staff does real research, is searching for truth and/or is engaged in scholarship of any kind, you are badly mistaken. The museum represents official power only and is invested in keeping it in Jewish hands.

This photograph is the only document tying Elie Wiesel to the Holocaust

The only document that connects Elie Wiesel to the Auschwitz-Birkenau and Buchenwald experience he claims to have—in other words, his claim to be an authentic “Holocaust survivor”—is the famous Buchenwald liberation photograph. There are no records with his name and birth date for either camp. His books do not support his presence there very well. That’s why the Wiesel promoters, who wanted to anchor their man’s claim to be the unchallenged spokesman for the world’s greatest victims—which winning a Nobel prize would surely do—decided that they could pawn that unknown face off as the face of Wiesel. This decision was made in 1983. It’s certain that Elie Wiesel took part in making it, though the pretense is kept up by all that he was aloof from the entire process.

What you must do

When you comprehend the immense power that this simple photo comparison and commentary gives us, you know that we have it in our hands to break down the Wiesel legend if this knowledge is widely circulated. If you understand this, you know what you must do. You must post this article everywhere you can, you must tell everyone about it, send it to all you know … make sure that this photo comparison moves through the Internet and finds a home in as many places as possible. And keep it up, because once is not enough. I’ve done my part, readers. Now it’s up to you.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Zulu » 7 years 7 months ago (Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:49 am)

Dear Carolyn,
I saw your page concerning that topic and I observed that you are actually performing a remarkable job on that fantastic fraud called Elie Wiesel. To be noticed that this guy was qualified as "a merchant of Shoah" by Pierre Vidal-Naquet, a French Jewish historian and ferocious critic of Pr. Faurisson who wrote about it:
Elie Wiesel, the most famous of the travelling salesmen of Shoah-business, is discredited amongst his own people. A few months after the first publication and significant distribution of my text entitled "A Prominent False Witness: Elie Wiesel,"Pierre Vidal-Naquet himself was moved to declare:
For example, you have Rabbi Kahane, that extremist Jew, who is less dangerous than a man like Elie Wiesel, who will say just about anything … Reading some of the descriptions in Night is enough to make you to realize that they are not accurate and that he ends up turning himself into a Shoah merchant … And in fact he also harms, greatly harms, historical truth. (Zéro, April 1987, page 57);

On your page on the picture labeled "Group portrait of Jewish DP youth at the OSE" [Photograph #28147] on which EW is allegedly among those pictured here, I tried to detect some face which could be attributed to the young Wiesel. I join here my montage in order to propose a possible identification within that group. It is just a guess.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 7 years 7 months ago (Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:03 am)

Very good detection work indeed, Zulu. This face looks very similar to other pictures we have from that time that I agree are probably young Wiesel in France. So you have solved for me that Wiesel IS in that group photo of arrivals to Ambloy in the summer of '45. I wanted the USHMM to identify Wiesel in that group photo, but they never did.

However, look at all that hair, once again! No way he's the shaved-headed person in the Buchenwald Liberation photo, just two months previous. And he looks so healthy and strong... not as he describes himself at that time. Did he arrive from Buchenwald, or from somewhere else? I believe from somewhere else. Every youth who came to Ambloy did not come from the Buchenwald camp. And look how much hair they all have. Myklos Gruner was 16 years old in that Buchenwald Liberation photo, with a shaved head, and he had been living in the "children's barracks." I don't think he looked like these boys do in June of 1945.

Thanks alot. I will use your work on the website.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby vincentferrer » 7 years 7 months ago (Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:13 am)

Carolyn Yeager has my vote for Revisionist of the decade.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 7 years 7 months ago (Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:51 pm)

Well, Mr. Ferrer, we meet again here on CODOH. As I recall, you were enthusiastic about the website and suggested a reward for anyone who could get a picture of Elie's tattoo. That proved to be an impossible feat, and no one had a real appetite for trying it anyway, but we have kept the website going for a year and a half now with a lot of new information/evidence that speaks against the man.

I think we have also driven Elie to shun any unprotected public appearances -- he only shows up AT an event, but not on his way to it. Without exposing himself to the public, and with the media totally protecting him, it's difficult to get any leverage. The website is getting wider readership, but more people need to be working on that part of it by sending the essays to various websites and outlets and making sure they link back to Elie Wiesel Cons The World.

Thanks for the kind words. :)
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby vincentferrer » 7 years 7 months ago (Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:38 am)

Carolyn, you have done great work, exposing one of the biggest frauds in the world today.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Zulu » 7 years 7 months ago (Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:11 am)

Carolyn Yeager wrote:However, look at all that hair, once again! No way he's the shaved-headed person in the Buchenwald Liberation photo, just two months previous. And he looks so healthy and strong... not as he describes himself at that time. Did he arrive from Buchenwald, or from somewhere else? I believe from somewhere else. Every youth who came to Ambloy did not come from the Buchenwald camp. And look how much hair they all have. Myklos Gruner was 16 years old in that Buchenwald Liberation photo, with a shaved head, and he had been living in the "children's barracks." I don't think he looked like these boys do in June of 1945.

Not one of the faces alleged for being EW seem to fit on the picture of Buchenwald. The only one that could approach his look at that age is indicated on the following photo.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 7 years 7 months ago (Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:09 pm)

This time I don't agree with you, Zulu. Your enlargement seems to have something wrong with it. A good enlarged version appears here at http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/wp-cont ... n-bunk.pdf -- with the article "Gigantic Fraud Carried Out For Wiesel Nobel Prize" [http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/gigantic-fraud-carried-out-for-wiesel-nobel-prize]. One can see this youth looks nothing like Elie Wiesel.

Wiesel is simply not in that picture. Another clue is: If he were, would it have taken him until 1983 to say so?
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby The Warden » 7 years 6 months ago (Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:32 am)

Perhaps I'm stating the obvious, but it would seem showing where Elie Wiesel was instead of where he wasn't would be the easiest way to put this to rest.
If someone says "I was here", and you say "No, you were here" and can prove it, there's nothing left to be said other than the backpedaling of the original claimant.

Concentrating on where he wasn't is time wasted if you can definitively show where he was, ruling out any doubt or sounding like a conspiracy theorist.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 7 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:42 pm)

The Warden wrote:Perhaps I'm stating the obvious, but it would seem showing where Elie Wiesel was instead of where he wasn't would be the easiest way to put this to rest.
If someone says "I was here", and you say "No, you were here" and can prove it, there's nothing left to be said other than the backpedaling of the original claimant.

Concentrating on where he wasn't is time wasted if you can definitively show where he was, ruling out any doubt or sounding like a conspiracy theorist.


You want to know where Elie Wiesel was, not where he wasn't. The fact is, I am the first person to ask where he was, as most everyone except Myklos Grüner and and Carlo Mattogno has accepted he was in Auschwitz and Buchenwald. Even so, those two men are content still to only speak about where he wasn't (which doesn't satisfy you). I had hoped David O'Connell, a retired French professor and something of an Elie Wiesel scholar, would shed some light on where Wiesel was in a book (a biography) he had completed a few months ago but decided not to publish when his family strongly objected to it. I was looking forward to the possibility he might have made some discoveries about Wiesel's life in France during those "in-between" years. He wouldn't tell me at the time, in advance of the book's publication, what it contained. But I'm going to now speak with him again. We are on very friendly terms and he has personally praised my work on the website.

But apart from that -- proving, or showing, where someone wasn't, especially when that someone is Elie Wiesel, is damaging enough. It is then up to Wiesel and/or his backers, to prove where he was. Of course, they simply refuse to do so, very similar to the perpetrators of 9/11. The amateur investigators of that hoax can so far - after 10 years work - only say what did not happen and who did not do it, but cannot say for sure what did happen, or who did it.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Hannover » 7 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:07 pm)

Warden, Yeager:
Lighten up already. There's plenty of room for a variety of methods in the ongoing debunking of the 'Holocaust' religion.

Not that this applies directly to Warden, but as for calling someone a 'conspiracy theorist', as if conspiracies do not happen, we should realize that a conspiracy is nothing more than two or more people working toward a goal. Certainly that is the 'Holocaust' Industry, the ADL, JDL, etc.
It's curious how in an attempt to discredit someone we frequently read 'he/she's a conspiracy theorist'. Yet those that say this are often promoting their own conspiracy theories.

The 'holocaust' storyline is truly a conspiracy theory, and a highly absurd one at that. The 'history' books are full of conspiracy theories.

I salute Carolyn Yeager's efforts. Warden, I respect your views and contributions here, but where can we find your website? :wink:

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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 7 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:57 pm)

Hannover wrote:Warden, Yeager:
Lighten up already. There's plenty of room for a variety of methods in the ongoing debunking of the 'Holocaust' religion.


Well, I thought the rule here (which I admit I have a hard time keeping straight) was that one had to answer a "challenge." I didn't want to fail to answer Mr. Warden for that reason, as he seemed to be challenging me. I even reported his post to the moderator as being pointlessly aggravating and said if said post was not removed/deleted, I would reply in kind. Which I did and think I did a pretty good job.

But thank you, Hannover, for your right-on commentary. I hope that Mr. Warden will try to find a more useful way to occupy his time. Maybe some real, honest-to-God research that could solve some of these questions? May we all be friends in the New Year. :cheers:
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Moderator » 7 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:49 pm)

C. Yeager, you stated:
I even reported his post to the moderator as being pointlessly aggravating and said if said post was not removed/deleted, I would reply in kind

Yes, I saw it and let it pass in the hopes all would calm down. Perhaps I should have intervened. Warden has made valuable, thoughtful contributions here, as have yourself, obviously. We all take shots in the ribs occasionally and sometimes we just have to roll with the punches, You should try my job at this forum. :violent1: . Nonetheless, I will keep an eye out for over the top remarks.
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby The Warden » 7 years 6 months ago (Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:37 am)

Just so we're clear:

1) Does anyone disagree that knowing definitely where Wiesel was throughout the war (and being able to prove it) would be more damaging than any arguments containing doubts or skepticism about where he claims he was? I'd like to hear from some of the other members. This is not about choosing sides, it's about using the most effective methodology.

2) Can Yeager show us definitively where Wiesel was during WWII at all times, or are we to continue saying he wasn't in one place without being able to say where he actually was?
Yes or no? If yes, post the timeline and end this once and for all. If no, then what does Yeager recommend new folks can do do help her find out?

Just so there's no confusion; This post in on topic, contains no personal attacks, and submits legitimate concerns and questions to the author.

To avoid any claims of dodging Hannover's question, I do not have a website. Perhaps I missed the section where a website was required to discuss the subject?
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Re: Is this the end of Elie Wiesel?

Postby Zulu » 7 years 6 months ago (Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:42 am)

Carolyn Yeager wrote:This time I don't agree with you, Zulu. Your enlargement seems to have something wrong with it. A good enlarged version appears here at http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/wp-cont ... n-bunk.pdf -- with the article "Gigantic Fraud Carried Out For Wiesel Nobel Prize" [http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/gigantic-fraud-carried-out-for-wiesel-nobel-prize]. One can see this youth looks nothing like Elie Wiesel.

Wiesel is simply not in that picture. Another clue is: If he were, would it have taken him until 1983 to say so?

Well, I didn't say it was him, I just pointed that, on this particular picture, the only face approaching young Wiesel traits was that one. Sure, the picture I used to make my amplification wasn't that good. I see now, with the better definition you provide, that the young boy here is quite different from the Wiesel's face. However, if Wiesel assumes he was there, he chose the wrong guy on the picture. It would have been far more plausible with the face I pointed


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