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Citing Nuremberg as 'proof'? But why?

Postby Hannover » 8 years 4 months ago (Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:45 pm)

There are many threads here which go into the Nuremberg post-war trials, but in an exchange I had with TheBlackRabbitofInle' here:
'Irving, Faurisson, Hoess and PS-3868'
I am reminded of how bizarre and utterly criminal the Nuremberg 'show trial' proceedings against the Germans were.

Nuremberg is claimed to be 'proof' of the 'holocaust' as alleged, as well as the basis for contemporary international law. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jewish supremacists and True Believers would be better off not citing these sham proceedings.

One of the masters, if not THE master of Nuremberg is Carlos Whitlock Porter. His website makes mincemeat of the claims concerning the post-war Nuremberg Trials. Be sure to have a look at it, a Revisionist must read.
Also purchase his book:
Made in Russia - The Holocaust
Historical Review Press 1988

A nice warm-up jab from Porter:
Holocaust accusations fall into three categories: the impossibly ridiculous, the ridiculously impossible, and the hopelessly insane ...

Before reading what I have quoted below please remember that most of the text is underlined (not given with my quotes) which are links to the relevant Nuremberg documents from which Porter takes his statements. Porter backs up what he states.

Here is much of the text from:

- Hannover

The Website of Carlos Whitlock Porter

War crimes trials are characterized by the assumption that rules of evidence are a technicality designed to enable the guilty to evade punishment. In fact, however, their purpose is to protect tribunals from errors in judgement.

Centuries ago, it was common to prosecute women for performing sexual acts with the Devil. These acts were described in minute detail in thousands of trials, in millions of pages of sworn testimony. It was established, for example, that Satan's ejaculatory fluid is cold.

Thousands of women stood fast in their confessions to the very foot of the stake, proving the truth of the matter stated; others recanted, proving the contumacy of the Tempter.

Thousands of men were burned for signing a Compact with the Prince of Darkness. This was a written contract, binding on both parties, the exact text of which was known to jurists for centuries; yet the original document was never found. Secondary evidence was accepted as to its existence and content.

Satan's existence was proven by his many appearances in the form of a cat or a goat; his failure to fulfil his contractual obligions was seen as a simple breach of faith.

Scientific experiments were performed. Women known to have participated in the Black Mass were found not to have left their beds during the night, proving that transportation is spiritual, rather than physical.

Professional witnesses denounced thousands of people; defendants were condemned on the basis of ex parte affidavits signed by unknown persons; hallucinations and dreams were introduced into evidence in sworn statements.

Persons defending the accused could only be motivated by secret sympathy with Satan's conspiracy or Common Plan.

Respected people entered prison defiant, confident that God would prove them innocent; only to emerge a month later, prepared to confess publicly and be burned alive for kissing the anus of a goat.

Similar procedures and rules of evidence were used after the last war to convict Germans of killing millions of Jews in a toxicologically absurd manner, using an insecticide requiring 24 hours to kill moths.

It is characteristic of modern thought that man is held to be progressing in some manner, a concept which was foreign to the medieval world.

Carlos Whitlock Porter
Made in Russia - The Holocaust
Historical Review Press 1988

As a "proven fact" protected by special laws not applicable to other "proven facts", the Holoco$t must be considered as something of an endangered species

All one needs to endanger the species a bit further.......... or perhaps even drive it into extinction..... is to get the Nuremberg Trial transcript and read some of it.

If Germans gassed millions of Jews, did they also...........

Steam people to death like lobsters in 10 steam chambers at Treblinka
Zap them to death with mass electrical shocks
Blast them into the twilight zone with atomic bombs
Beat people to death, then carry out autopsies to see why they died
Force people to climb trees, then cut the trees down
Kill 840,000 Russian POWs at Sachsenhausen, and burn the bodies in 4 portable ovens
Bash people's brains in with a pedal-driven brain-bashing machine while listening to the radio, then burn the bodies in 4 portable ovens
Torture and execute people in time to music at the Yanov camp in Russia -- shoot every member of the orchestra
Grind the bones of millions of people in portable bone-grinding machines
Grind the bones of 200 bodies [¾ ton] at one time as described in photographs and documents which have disappeared -- study bone grinding in special 10-day crash-course seminars
Whup people with special spanking machines
(Note that photographs of German leaders, concentration camps, etc., are in full supply, but that photos of bone grinders, portable ovens, etc., have all disappeared)
Make lampshades of human skin
Cut people's heads off and then shrink them -- make pocketbooks and driving gloves for SS officers out of human skin
Paint pornographic pictures on canvasses made of human skin
Bind books in human skin
Make saddles, riding breeches, gloves, house slippers, and ladies handbags out of human skin
Drive Jews to cannibalism in all those freight cars
More "scientific experiments" -- another ridiculous accusation -- another bizarre hallucination -- another example of German efficiency
Torture people in specially mass-produced "torture boxes" made by Krupp
Kill people for sleeping in their underwear -- kill people for wearing dirty underwear -- wear underwear stolen from gassed persons -- (didn't they have any underwear in Germany?) -- kill people for having armpit hair -- stuff chairs with human hair -- (an objection from defendant Göring) -- make socks out of human hair -- (actually, the correct translation should be hair-yarn "booties" for U-boat crews) -- (commentary) -- collect seven tons of hair for human sock making -- collect 293 hair bales (net weight seven thousand kilograms) at Auschwitz for mattress stuffing and making hair socks -- gas them to death, then destroy the bodies with quicklime at Auschwitz
Use human ashes for repairing the roads -- mix human ashes with manure and sell it
Burn human bodies using human fat for fuel -- burn human bodies using no fuel at all after removing them from the gas chambers without wearing gas masks -- burn 80,000 bodies in 2 old ovens
Burn human bodies in holes dug in a swampy plain which is frozen in January where it rains and snows constantly and there is mud everywhere -- what did they do when it was raining?
Kill people with poisoned soft drinks -- shoot 135,000 people in Smolensk and bury them Katyn-style -- shoot 200,000 people in the Lisenitz forest -- using the same methods of concealment they used at Katyn

As a "proven fact" protected by special laws not applicable to other "proven facts", the Holoco$t must be considered as something of an endangered species

All one needs to endanger the species a bit further.......... or perhaps even drive it into extinction..... is to get the Nuremberg Trial transcript and read some of it.

If Germans gassed millions of Jews, did they also...........

Shoot the Polish officers at Katyn -- (this document describes how "confessions" are obtained in Communist show trials, but says that the Germans did it) -- (Here we have the cynical Nazis chuckling about how they will exterminate the Poles at Katyn) -- (The Americans had an English translation of this at trials, so why did they translate it into German for the document volumes?) -- Frame the Russians for Katyn -- Torture "witnesses" into signing statements written by Gestapo interrogators and "interpreters" to frame the Russians for Katyn -- Torture "witnesses" into testifying falsely before international delegations to frame the Russians for Katyn -- Torture "witnesses" into signing "statements" written in foreign languages to frame the Russians for Katyn -- Torture "witnesses" into signing "statements" they were not allowed to read -- Torture "witnesses" into raising their right arm and swearing falsely under oath to frame the Russians for Katyn -- Dig up the bodies at Katyn and put false documents in their pockets to make it look like the Russians did it, then bury them again -- (Here are the 500 Russian labourers rummaging through the pockets of 11,000 corpses) -- Transport thousands of bodies from mass graves all over Poland and bury them at Katyn to frame the Russians for Katyn -- Here we have stinking bodies fallling out of the trucks and flopping all over the road on the way to Katyn... Now comes 13 pages of "forensic evidence" "quoted" in the "report" written by the prosecutor: the only forensic evidence at trial

Boil the fat from 40 male and female human bodies for 3 - 7 days to get 25 kilos of soap -- (every one of the documents and exhibits mentioned has disappeared) -- with one exception, every one of the "human soap" documents has disappeared... the "confession" of "human soap maker" Sigmund Mazur (spelled 3 different ways) has disappeared... the human soap samples have disappeared; the tanned human skin samples have disappeared... The "human soap recipe" does not contain the word "human"... that has been added by the translator"... With a turn of a page 86 documents having "probative value", including 3 "human soap" documents, have disappeared, yet the charges were upheld...

Reading the indictment, one is struck by the dramatic nature of Soviet atrocity charges... All these charges were to be "proven true" after a lengthy "trial" involving "evidence"... and yet the only "evidence" involved turns out to be "reports" which the Russians have written themselves. The "proof" of the five-pointed star cut or burnt into people's bodies turns out to be just another Soviet "report" which has disappeared... The "proof of the mass-shootings at Baba-Yar turns out to be just another Soviet "report" which has disappeared... Don't bother trying to find these documents in the document volumes because they are just not there.. Every document not marked with an asterisk has simply disappeared. The impossibly ridiculous "gas vans" were mentioned for the first time in a Soviet document which has disappeared... This Soviet "report" is our principal source of "information" on Auschwitz and has been widely plagiarized... everything happens first in Russia.

While hundreds of documents deemed to have "probative value" have disappeared.... hundreds of photos which prove nothing are there to be examined by anyone -- (Correction: the portable-oven-portable-bone-grinder-portable-brain-bashing machines-human-soap confessions are available from the National Archives. We will obtain there documents and publish them.) (Correction again: we will obtain photocopies of negative photostats of "true copies".) -- Note that half the sign is in English and says, "Protect yourselves from Jewish atrocity propaganda". -- More "evidence" that proves nothing... cartoons from "Der Stürmer" -- "Don't Trust a Fox Whatever You Do, Nor Yet the Oath of Any Jew" -- A "baptized Jew" eating "baptized meat" on Friday -- A Jewish butcher -- "Jews not Wanted"... Jews are Our Misfortune"... The Jewish lecher... The Jewish doctor.

This is from the Judgement. Note the references to "statements" made by Gräbe and Höss -- The documents are never photographically reproduced so that we can see what they look like... instead they are transcribed with microscopic German abbreviations such as "BeglVm" which means "certificate of authenticity" or "BeglPhot" which means "certified photocopy". Do you suppose they have anything to hide? -- Since when is a document like this proof of anything under U.S. law? -- Under U.S. law, none of these "affidavits", "reports", and "confessions" would even be admissible. -- No one can be convicted of murder under U.S. law on the basis of an "affidavit" such as this one.-- The Nuremberg Trial was a return to the Inquisitional procedures of the Middle Ages.

None of these people ever appeared in court, yet Gräbe has been "quoted" for 50 years as a Hoaxoco$t "witness". -- Gräbe was supposedly working for the US Army, but nobody ever brought him to court - only his "affidavit". -- The "confession" of Rudolf Höss was written entirely in English and partially hand-written by a US Army officer -- without any interpreter, stenographer, lawyer, or witness. -- This is a toxicological impossibility. Note the reference to 10 "gas chambers" at Treblinka. -- 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica, "Prussic Acid" (Also, "WOLZEK" never existed). -- Note the statement "I understand English as it is written above"... whose handwriting is this? -- Note that the English is letter-perfect but the US Army officer has mis-spelled his own name (italics indicate signatures) -- Direct examination of Wisliceny showing correct spelling of Brookhart's name. Did Höss really sign his name the American way_ If Brookhart spoke German, why is the Hoss confession in English? Why are the names mis-spelled? -- THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY HOAXOCO$T. Instead of proof, what we get is a mixture of the following techniques:

The "Poison Mushroom" -- another series of Streicher cartoons. -- "He has just been baptized and isn't a Jew anymore" -- Jewish nose studies in the classroom -- "Who Fights the Jews, Contends With the Devil" -- What these cartoons are supposed to prove -- is that Streicher "influenced" the German people into "gassing" Six Million Jews. -- Streicher spent 11 months on trial at Nuremberg and was permitted to testify quite freely -- an excerpt from Streicher's testimony -- while Rudolf Höss was hustled in and out of court in half of one morning session and disappeared forever. Höss was never tried in any non-Communist country. Höss was a "defence witness" called by Kaltenbrunner's court-appointed "defence lawyer".

Fifteen days earlier Höss had no knowledge of English whatsoever... -- Here he signed an affidavit which had to be translated into German for him... (note the correct German spelling of Höss's name) -- which seems to have been done only if the deponent didn't understand English. -- In many cases there is no real proof that these men even knew what they were signing. --Another example of the endless linguistic permutations typical of all Nuremberg "evidence"... -- In this case a Frenchman makes a handwritten statement in English making German-style mistakes, then translates it for the co-signer, another Frenchman. -- Since they were both French and both signed, why didn't they write it in French?

As a "proven fact" protected by special laws not applicable to other "proven facts", the Holoco$t must be considered as something of an endangered species

All one needs to endanger the species a bit further.......... or perhaps even drive it into extinction..... is to get the Nuremberg Trial transcript and read some of it.

In December 1945 there were no "gas chambers" at Treblinka.. only "steam chambers". -- By February 1946 this had all been forgotten and there were always10 "gas chambers" at Treblinka.

Anyone who purports to be a survivor is automatically believed.... -- Any accusation is automatically believed... -- Every atrocity committed by the Russians or other Allies is parodied in some accusation against the Germans. In this case it is mass rape... -- Food confiscation Kulak-style... -- Here it is Soviet persecution of religion... -- (Notice that he says he took an oath to take the truth all his life in 1917) -- Since one reason the Russians are believed guilty for Katyn is because small trees grew over the graves, the Germans are constantly accused of planting them. -- Almost every Holocaust witness claimed to have worked as a "interpreter" or in an "office" or "laboratory". -- (He was an interpreter and photographer at Mauthausen) -- (She was an office worker at Auschwitz, that's why she survived.)

Anyone who does a bit of research can find dozens of photographs of healthy, well-fed inmates from any German concentration camp. -- Everyone has seen pictures like this...-- while photographs like this one have simply been ignored by the mass media. -- These pictures were taken after the liberation of Ebensee (Mauthausen) on May 6, 1945. -- This picture shows the same people posing in the background with some "living skeletons". -- A close up. --Note three wrist watches, sprinkler system, and swimming pool. A close up of the high-dive. -- These people have just returned from being "umgesiedelt" (euphemism for extermination)... -- More exterminated people. -- A Dachau inmate. -- Healthy inmates leaving Buchenwald... -- Buchenwald inmates on April 14, 1945. The man with the glasses lost weight after his release. -- If the "living skeletons" were not in fact the victims of epidemic disease, then why was it necessary to burn down Bergen-Belsen? -- Typical midget-sized (non-portable) oven, Dachau.

Legally, Nuremberg was a fiasco. Witnesses were interrogated under the laws of the Soviet Union... -- Judicial notice was taken of the findings of Soviet courts... -- Documents or exhibits were introduced into evidence under the laws of Communist countries... The defendants were not allowed to question the credibility of any prosecution witness at any time... -- Any "report" written by the prosecutor was considered "proof" of the defendants' guilt and was not considered subject to argument... -- Any groundless assertion made by the prosecution was considered "proven" unless the defendants could disprove it... -- Effective cross-examination was simply not allowed. -- The defendants were not allowed to take the stand to contradict the prosecution witnesses...

Testimony was curtailed whenever it was feared someone might contradict a favourite prosecution witness... -- Defence attorneys were reprimand for "confusing" the witnesses on cross-examination... -- Defence attorneys were not given copies of documents introduced into evidence by the prosecution by the prosecution... -- Newspapermen were given 250 copies of every document, but the defence were not even given one each.-- Defence attorneys were given piles of documents every morning which were all out of order... -- Defence attorneys were not advised as to the order of proceedings... -- The Jack-in-the-Box Witness Technique. -- They were given virtually all of their documents in English translation instead of the German original... Or they were given 2 copies of a document for 25 lawyers at 10:30 A.M., when trial started at 10... Defence attorneys were snowed under with documents which they were not given time to read... -- Defendants were expected to comment on documents which they were not given time to read... -- (The transcript is full of promises to quit cheating, but the abuses continued)...

More examples of flagrant prosecutorial bad faith. -- Defence attorneys werer given documents when it was weeks too late to be any good to them... -- Defence attorneys had no way of knowing what was even in the document book; what kind of "trial" is this? -- The "true and correct copies" were not the same as the originals... -- The prosecutors did not know which document was original and which was the copy... -- Page numbers were incorrectly translated... -- of course, it was all in different languages so the page numbers could not be the same anyway; endless confusion.

Endless confusion over documents... -- and translations... -- yet objections were considered "improper"... -- How can such a "trial" be said to have "proven" anything? -- Documents were introduced into evidence which were known to be false... -- "German" documents were written by foreigners... -- Another "German" document forged in Yugoslavia...

"Confessions" and "statements" were presented ready made for signature or else... -- (Was this the only case or was this the tip of the iceberg? -- Another "voluntary statement". -- "Witnesses" were allowed to read their "testimony" off scraps of paper.. -- The "witnesses" were allowed to repeat any kind of hearsay and rumour; the prosecutors were allowed to lead the witnesses in any manner they like... -- here the "witness" says "I personally wasn't a witness" and the prosecutor says "Never mind"... -- here we learn that concentration camp inmates have extrasensory perception.

311,982 notarized defence affidavits were never translated and have been forgotten.
The typical piece of Holocaust "evidence" consists of a Communist "report" originally written in Russian. -- Over half of the Soviet documents are "photocopies" of German documents which have been "certified genuine" by the Russians. -- Another photocopy certified genuine by the Soviet War Crimes Commission... -- A certified photocopy of a mimeographed document which the Russians say is genuine... -- More Communist "evidence"... -- More Russian "evidence"...

One affidavit from an army officer or political commissar was enough to certify any document as genuine at any time... -- the affidavit or certificate simply states where the document was "found", and that it is "genuine". -- All PS documents, are covered by one affidavit sworn by Major Coogan on Nov. 22, 1945. -- Documents which have been "found" are not individually "certified" "genuine". ONE affidavit makes them ALL genuine and that is that. -- "Copies" were prepared on a mimeograph, so the only thing appearing on the "copy" was what they typed onto the stencil. -- "The man without a signature".

As a "proven fact" protected by special laws not applicable to other "proven facts", the Holoco$t must be considered as something of an endangered species

All one needs to endanger the species a bit further.......... or perhaps even drive it into extinction..... is to get the Nuremberg Trial transcript and read some of it.

These are "captured" "original" "certified genuine" "German" photographs. The Russian stamps mean that they have been "certified genuine" by the Soviet War Crimes Commission. The captions of these genuine German photos have been translated from the original Russian. -- The Russian rubber-stamp "certificate of authenticity" is usually edited out of this photo when it appears in anthologies. -- One of the greatest film producers of the 20th century was a Russian, Sergei Eisenstein. -- Eisenstein produced his 1st film (Strike) in 1924. -- Eisenstein visited Hollywood in 1930, returned to Russia and taught in the State Institute of Cinematography (Same woman as in photo -3- but with white wig). -- His films include Potemkin (1925)... 10 Days That Shook the World (1928)... Alexander Nevsky (1938), with its bold sweep of 13th century battles... Ivan the Terrible (1944), another nationalistic subject... and "documentary films" for the war effort during WWII. -- The Russians had hundreds of concentration camps with their own epidemics, famines and atrocities. Also available were props, sets, extras, and costumes. -- "Documentary proof" that the Nazis castrated people".

More "evidence" from Hollywood. -- Is this real, or did they borrow it from a late-night movie? -- This is a crude photomontage. Just look at the "torso" or the soles of the feet or the leg floating in the air at the top, or the long-distance torso at the right, which first appears to be a vague shape. The perspective also appears to be wrong. In this picture truly everything is a botch. -- The pictures of the Warsaw uprising bear a PS document number and are theoretically covered by the one affidavit of Major Coogan of the US Army sown on November 2, 1945; BUT -- ... the fact that a document bears a PS number does not guarantee that it is not Russian in origin (see footnote). -- The soldier pointing the weapon at the child appears to be the same as the soldier with the sadistic smile in the next picture, possibly indicating they were shooting with a small cast.

In a real trial it might be questioned whether the "probative value" of such photographs is not exceeded by their "prejudicial nature". -- Without the captions the evidence proves nothing... -- so that all that is required is a good caption writer. -- Horror-video "evidence" from Yugoslavia.

Speer describes Mauthausen -- Another witness describes Dachau... -- Konrad Morgen describes Buchenwald and Dachau. -- Morgen was the SS judge who shot Koch for making human lampshades... -- Morgen lied himself blue in the face on other matters, so we are free to disregard all of his testimony.

Scientifically the Holocaust is a farce. The prosecutors admitted that they lacked the technical expertise to judge the evidence... -- so they told the witnesses not to get too technical (!) -- Since victims of cyanide poisoning become unconscious and do not all die in the same period of time if at all, the "peepholes" would not have been much help... -- Cyanide is lighter than air and Zyklon cannot flow through pipes (At the Dachau Trial, this gas chamber didn't exist). -- ... an early "gassing" yarn with a "gas reservoir" instead of Zyklon. -- Here it says that the gas chamber was made out of wood. Cyanide gas can penetrate wooden walls... -- Here are 2000 people flopping down unconscious in the death chamber... -- Here are the SS men looking through a "peephole" at thousands of unconscious people... -- Here is Hoess/Broorkhar(d)t listening outside the door to thousands of unconscious people ("we knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped")... -- Here are the SS men burning millions of bodies in holes dug in a swamp... -- What did they do when it was raining?

These are the "funeral urns" which were filled with human ashes and then smashed, so that "every trace was wiped out" (IMT XXXIII 232) -- Note the small size of the ovens. An oven like this could probably burn 8 - 12 bodies per 24 hours using coal for fuel, or up to 16 using oil. -- Millions of bodies cannot be crudely cremated without leaving huge quantities of evidence. To burn a human body using wood can require up to 40 hours; in a crematory oven, at least 1 - 2 hours depending on the fuel. The ash, assuming complete combustion, weighs 5 - 9 pounds. -- The "crematory oven letters" turn out to be certified photocopies which the Russians forgot to bring to court... -- but the dimensions are only 18 x 24 inches. -- When we see factory smoke we know it is a crematorium... The crematory processes described are impossible... The chemical reactions described are wrong and all contradict each other...

To accuse the Germans of killing millions of people with carbon monoxide generated by a Diesel motor... -- is so stupid that it is not worth discussing... -- A description of WWI gas chamber experiments. During WWI they were scientific, but 25 years later they "improvised" with Diesel engines and bug bombs... -- Hundreds of pages are dedicated to "animal heat" medical experiments. Are we supposed to believe the Germans intended to carry prostitutes around on their air-sea rescue operations? -- Typhus is an epidemic disease of prison camps spread by flea- or lice infested clothing. The clothing must be removed and sterilized. -- Delirium is a symptom of typhus.

Holocaust accusations fall into three categories: the impossibly ridiculous, the ridiculously impossible, and the hopelessly insane...
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Citing Nuremberg as 'proof'? But why?

Postby Hektor » 2 years 8 months ago (Mon May 29, 2017 5:56 pm)

"None of these people ever appeared in court, yet Gräbe has been "quoted" for 50 years as a Hoaxoco$t "witness". -- Gräbe was supposedly working for the US Army, but nobody ever brought him to court - only his "affidavit". "

What's the evidence this Graebe was working for the Americans?
I watched the TV-movie Nuremberg (2000) - There is well only an affidavit is read - no idea how this coincides with what is on record - Allied record that is. Apparently Graebe was accused of perjury at a later trial. No idea what the verdict was there.

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