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World War II: The Holocaust

Postby Jazz » 7 years 10 months ago (Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:05 pm)

World War II: The Holocaust
Oct 16, 2011

One of the most horrific terms in history was used by Nazi Germany to designate human beings whose lives were unimportant, or those who should be killed outright: Lebensunwertes Leben, or "life unworthy of life". First applied to the mentally impaired, later to the "racially inferior", or "sexually deviant", or merely "enemies of the state" both internal and external. From very early in the war, part of Nazi policy was to murder civilians en masse, especially targeting Jews -- which later in the war became Hitler's "final solution", the complete extermination of the Jews. Beginning with Einsatzgruppen death squads in the East, killing some 1,000,000 people in numerous massacres, later in concentration camps where prisoners were actively denied proper food and health care, and ending with the construction of extermination camps -- government facilities whose entire purpose was the systematic murder and disposal of massive numbers of people. In 1945, as advancing Allied troops began discovering many camps, they found the results of these policies: hundreds of thousands of starving and sick prisoners locked in with more thousands of dead bodies. Evidence of gas chambers, high-volume crematoriums, thousands of mass graves, documentation of awful medical experimentation, and much more. The Nazis killed more than 10 million people in this manner, including 6 million Jews.

Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011 ... st/100170/

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A dead prisoner lies in a train carriage near Dachau concentration camp in May of 1945.

What's with the potatoes? It looks like he's sleeping to me... Anyway none of these photos prove the existence of gas chambers :/

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Re: World War II: The Holocaust

Postby Mkk » 7 years 10 months ago (Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:11 am)

More unfounded propoganda.

Ofcourse, there was a euthanasia program. Nobody denies this. However, this weren't just arbitrary killings; they needed a doctor to verify that the person in question was uncurable, and were thus given a mercy killing. It's up to you whether this is moral or not, personally I don't feel strongly either way.

Lebensunwertes Leben, or "life unworthy of life".

Is this a real term, or just propoganda?

First applied to the mentally impaired, later to the "racially inferior", or "sexually deviant", or merely "enemies of the state" both internal and external.

Again, any evidence? I agree with the first one, as detailed above, but I was under the impression this whole "master race" thing was a work of propaganda. 100 of thousands of the German armed forces were foreign volunteers, some black, and ofcourse some weren't "Aryan". The Nazis had numerous supporters in non Aryan countries. Yes, there was a programme of eugenics, but is that so extremely objectionable. On top of that, the German people consisted of several sub races, but nobody seriously contends the majority of Germans were going to be killed off! As for "sexually deviant", as we revisionists know, homosexuality was a crime on a lot of countries back then, and homosexuals, after their prison sentences, were sometimes sent to the concentration camps. Ofcourse I don't agree that homosexuality should be punished, but the Nazis attitude to it is slightly more progressive then certain countries today. "Enemies of the state", that is political prisoners were sometimes executed, but also sent to the concentration camps where they were made to change their views.
From very early in the war, part of Nazi policy was to murder civilians en masse, especially targeting Jews

That'w why Hitler and co were adamant supporters of the Geneva convention, right? :roll: I don't deny some civilians were killed, as in every war, but may I remind you it was the Allies who started bombing German civillians, and the "evil" Nazis waited 3 months before responding to this, however much they didn't want to? Could a revionist who knows more about real history then this propaganda elaborate on the real actions, or lack of, by Nazis towards civilians?
which later in the war became Hitler's "final solution", the complete extermination of the Jews.

IIf it was a complete extermination, he did a extremely poor job on it. Anyway, see Carlo Mattogno's book on Treblinka for a in depth listing of documents that disprove that the infamous final solution was the extermination of the Jews.
Beginning with Einsatzgruppen death squads in the East, killing some 1,000,000 people in numerous massacres,

The Einzatgruppen were for fighting partisans- once again see the Treblinka book for more on this. I won't deny however that some civilians were killed, though. As for the one million, as we all know the reports claiming this are unreliable to say the least.
later in concentration camps where prisoners were actively denied proper food and health care

This is a blatant lie. In no camp I know of, where the inmates deliberately denied food and health care- any problems were from Allied bombing and such resulting in a lack of food. There were hospitals at several of the camps, and reports dealing with the food still exist (for more on this, there are details spread thoughout the Holocaust handbook series, detailing the adequate food the inmates received, and also serious efforts to improve conditions. Wow, these lies are so easy to demolish...
and ending with the construction of extermination camps -- government facilities whose entire purpose was the systematic murder and disposal of massive numbers of people.

Need I say anything about this?
In 1945, as advancing Allied troops began discovering many camps, they found the results of these policies: hundreds of thousands of starving and sick prisoners locked in with more thousands of dead bodies

As a result solely of ALLIED BOMBING. Seriously, did the person writing this article even know anything about history? Also, in some camps some of the prisoners looked well looked after and fed, look at some of the Auchwitz photos.
Evidence of gas chambers, high-volume crematoriums, thousands of mass graves, documentation of awful medical experimentation, and much more

No real comment. Not much to say on gas chambers, the crematoriums have been proved to not have been able to cremate the amount they need to, where ARE the mass graves, I've never seen the awful medical experiments either.
The Nazis killed more than 10 million people in this manner, including 6 million Jews.

Again, no comment. Is it 10 million now? Not 12 million? Or just 6 million all together? Or 11 million? Get your (non) facts straight! One of the comments claims 17 million!



I can't believe I used to swallow propaganda like this right up, without even asking for proof. In a way, I feel ashamed, but it has to be said everyone is susseptible to the big lie technique. I mean, most of the stuff in this article consists of pretty straight lies, but your average person will believe it. Ofcourse, lies like this are being used to control the world, from the situation in Isreal, to the problem of multiculturalism, to any feeling and Nationalism. You will already know all about this.

As for the photos:
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infoc ... 043944.jpg
I'm pretty sure this has been dealt with somewhere before. Could someone clarify this?
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infoc ... 043951.jpg
This picture has also been dealt with before somewhere. It was concluded it is probably a fake of some description.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infoc ... 715499.jpg
Do these people look unhappy or in distress to you?
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infoc ... 010184.jpg
Not much to say here, but again the deportees don't seem to be very distressed.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infoc ... 030957.jpg
Weren't children killed? These look quite young.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infoc ... 000001.jpg
I can't say for sure, but sounds like propaganda is the vain of the shrunken heads.

All the photos showing masses of dead bodies are from the disease and starvation that prevailed in the last months of the war- not from limitless cruelty as the article claims.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infoc ... 406116.jpg
As said above, yes this looks like a man sleeping.

Also, one of the comments:
Can you please forward this to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

According to him, this never happened. It was all theater.

He knows that these bodies are from non-intentional starvation and disease, as was happening in the rest of Germany at the time. Once again, ignorance. Seeing the true believers in the comments, I can't help but be annoyed that the true perpetrators of these crimes- the "allies"- are not know to them. Yes, these photos are horific. But let's reveal who is responsible for them, please.
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Re: World War II: The Holocaust

Postby Hannover » 7 years 10 months ago (Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:44 pm)

Not a single one of these photos prove the 'holocaust' storyline.

These photos are all about the bogus captions. Anyone can caption a photo to mean what they hope others will believe, oldest propaganda trick in the world.

I like especially like the one of Nordhausen where the bodies are a result of an 'Allied' air raid, not the Germans.

The rest are faked contrivances, like the man sitting on the edge of the pit about to be shot who has no legs, there's 3 different versions of that photo, BTW.

Then there's the various photos of the same two sites, different angles of essentially the same bodies from Bergen-Belsen & Dachau, which display typhus and dysentery victims. There has never been an autopsy which revealed 'gassing' as cause of death, not a single one.

The faked photo of a pile of 'shot women' is hilarious. Not a single drop of blood and the men in the picture are not even wearing German uniforms.

There's the pile of bones which look just too staged. Of course there were cremations of the typhus victims, so what?

The bodies in the forest look victims of the Soviets, there's nothing to ties them to the Germans, just a caption, that's it.

There is not a single verifiable mass grave which can be shown that supports the 'holocaust' nonsense. Not one.

One could and did take photos of Allied terror bombings, Soviet civilian atrocities, and label them as desired. Such was and is the way of propaganda creation.

This is too easy.

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Re: World War II: The Holocaust

Postby Hannover » 7 years 10 months ago (Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:30 pm)

Here's a thread on fake photos:
'well hello / Fake Photos Alter Real Memories'
viewtopic.php?t=4652

Here's a good one:
'Famous Einsatzgruppen photograph'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4247&p=27504

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Lot's more here:
Do "Documentary" Photographs Prove the
National Socialist Extermination of the Jews?

by UDO WALENDY
http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcffor.html

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Re: World War II: The Holocaust

Postby Mkk » 7 years 10 months ago (Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:28 am)

Hannover wrote:Not a single one of these photos prove the 'holocaust' storyline.

These photos are all about the bogus captions. Anyone can caption a photo to mean what they hope others will believe, oldest propaganda trick in the world.

I like especially like the one of Nordhausen where the bodies are a result of an 'Allied' air raid, not the Germans.

The rest are faked contrivances, like the man sitting on the edge of the pit about to be shot who has no legs, there's 3 different versions of that photo, BTW.

Then there's the various photos of the same two sites, different angles of essentially the same bodies from Bergen-Belsen & Dachau, which display typhus and dysentery victims. There has never been an autopsy which revealed 'gassing' as cause of death, not a single one.

The faked photo of a pile of 'shot women' is hilarious. Not a single drop of blood and the men in the picture are not even wearing German uniforms.

There's the pile of bones which look just too staged. Of course there were cremations of the typhus victims, so what?

The bodies in the forest look victims of the Soviets, there's nothing to ties them to the Germans, just a caption, that's it.

There is not a single verifiable mass grave which can be shown that supports the 'holocaust' nonsense. Not one.

One could and did take photos of Allied terror bombings, Soviet civilian atrocities, and label them as desired. Such was and is the way of propaganda creation.

This is too easy.

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Very well summed up. And people will believe all this. It's quite saddening actually, how people don't ask for proof. Something I'm very thankful for, is after I learnt of the Holohoax, I became much more inquisitive for proof with unproven allegations like this.
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Re: World War II: The Holocaust

Postby leemadison11 » 7 years 8 months ago (Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:35 am)

Look, the point is that WWII saw gruesome and horrific atrocities. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are examples. So are the Jews, holocaust or not; the way they were singled out simply because of one man’s greed for power and baseless hatred is deplorable. Yes there were and have since been other massacres of equal and greater magnitude, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were discriminated against and killed indiscriminately.
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Re: World War II: The Holocaust

Postby Hannover » 7 years 8 months ago (Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:59 pm)

leemadison11 wrote:Look, the point is that WWII saw gruesome and horrific atrocities. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are examples. So are the Jews, holocaust or not; the way they were singled out simply because of one man’s greed for power and baseless hatred is deplorable. Yes there were and have since been other massacres of equal and greater magnitude, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were discriminated against and killed indiscriminately.

True, the National Socialists and just about everyone else in Europe disliked Jews. Fact is that Jews have been thrown out of almost very country they were graciously allowed into. However, you have no prove that they were "killed indiscriminately". By that I mean you have no proof for the 'holocaust' storyline. Were innocent people of all ethnic groups killed during WWII, yes, no doubt about it by anyone. Were Jews the primary victims of such killings, not by a long shot.

This thread topic is very vague and our guidelines specify that threads should be based upon specific points within the 'holocaust' storyline, so 'leemadison' if you want to debate specifics, then please start threads on a specific points or post to existing ones. Welcome to the CODOH Revisionist Forum.

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Re: World War II: The Holocaust

Postby Mkk » 7 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:20 am)

Leemadison said:

So are the Jews, holocaust or not; the way they were singled out simply because of one man’s greed for power

"Greed for power"? That's why Hitler offered to step down if it would end the war... Anyway, it is true the NS wanted their party to be the only seat of power in Germany, but IMO this was out of them wanting to protect their country from the threat of communism, and also their belief National Socialism was the best thing for Germany.

and baseless hatred

It's times like this when I'd like to mention one of the first members of the NDSAP was Jew named Emil Maurice... Hitler knew this, but it didn't seem to bother him. There are other examples, see the "Adolf the great" website. The Nazis were against International Jewry ofcourse, but perhaps it was more from fear and mistrust of the Jews rather than "baseless hatred".

killed indiscriminately

The Jewish partisans were killed, yes, but that was hardly indiscriminate and it was also legal.
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Re: World War II: The Holocaust

Postby Moderator » 7 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:49 pm)

This thread title is simply too general, we're here to address specifics within the 'holocaust' narrative. Please read or re-read our guidelines. Anyone can discuss whatever aspects of this narrative they wish by starting specific threads or posting to existing ones.

Jazz, you should've created a specific thread about the photo rather than giving the thread such a broad title, "World War II: The Holocaust". Anyway, it's still here should you care to grab it and start a new thread. This thread is now locked.
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