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Postby TheFirstPrinciple » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:00 pm)

So, Mr. Hebden, where is your physical, verifiable, forensic evidence for alleged Babi Yar massacre? Can you cite any neutral report about Babi Yar mass graves? No you can't, because there are none.

By the way, this fraudulent "massacre" proves that the so-called "Einsatzgruppen reports" are Soviet fakes.

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:19 pm)

TheFirstPrinciple wrote: By the way, this fraudulent "massacre" proves that the so-called "Einsatzgruppen reports" are Soviet fakes.


The Americans discovered the Einsatzgruppen reports. Is it your position that the Soviets planted the material for the Americans to find, or do you wish to change your mind and accuse the Americans of faking them instead?

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Postby TheFirstPrinciple » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:30 pm)

Yes, either Soviets planted them or had given them to Americans, and the latter claimed that they "found" them.

But who really cares whose fake it is? The main point is that they are fake.

There are at least two verifiable and irrefutable facts that prove the fraud: Nazis wouldn't leave such evidence, they would destroy it; there was no Babi Yar "massacre".

Now, Mr. Hebden, don't dodge, address these two facts please or admit that you were wrong.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:13 am)

Hebden wrote: The Americans discovered the Einsatzgruppen reports. Is it your position that the Soviets planted the material for the Americans to find, or do you wish to change your mind and accuse the Americans of faking them instead?


There is no indication about where the Americans found these Einsatzgruppen reports. Under "Fundortnachweis" (proof of place where found) in the book by Krausnick/Wilhelm Die Truppe des Weltanschauungskrieges it says only, that these reports are the copies, which were sent to SS-Sturmbannführer Dr. T. Paeffgen of the RSHA.

I believe that these reports were leaked to the Americans by the Soviets.

The reports were then sent to Nuremberg to be used as evidence during the NMT trials, and afterwards were shipped to the USA (who knows what happened there) and returned to Germany in 1979, where they are now archived.

I don't have much confidence in these documents. And neither does Wilhelm, who covered this in the chapter "Zur Frage der Glaubwürdigkeit" (About the question of their credibility).
Other historians seem to share this doubt also.

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