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Re: Einsatzgruppen / Critique

Postby Blogbuster » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:07 pm)

Haldan,
It's well known that Sergey Romanov, and his Holocaust Controversies friends like Nick Terry, Muehlenkamp, and Mathis are insincere, amateurs at best. Their research is fraught with errors, their prose is nothing more than mud slinging, and their fear of accepting challenges from revisionists as well as other Holocaust believers is laughable.

They are not to be taken seriously.
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Re: Einsatzgruppen / Critique

Postby mdmguyon » 8 years 10 months ago (Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:39 am)

The Einsatzgruppen and the Holocaust
Joseph Bishop

The authorities maintaining the Auschwitz camp indeed ultimately responded by revising the numbers downward. Suddenly the four million murdered dropped to an official figure of a little over a million. This is where the overall Holocaust story underwent another major evolution. In this latest twist, the Six Million figure somehow was retained - relating to a sort of mystic symbolism that seemingly has to be retained at all costs - and a shifting of how the figure was arrived at occurred. Suddenly the 3 million Jews killed within that 6 million figure, perished 'in the east' with little explanation and no statistical backing.

I often come across this and I don't believe it. Even David Irving said it, but as far as I know, no one, going back long before the plaque saying that 4 million people died was taken down, both said that 4 million died at Auschwitz and that 6 million died overall. It's like saying that since Peter lost 3 of his 4 apples, Paul can't still have 6 apples. In spite of Reitlinger, Hilberg, Dawidowicz, etc., not saying it, Mr. Bishop seems to be saying that it was the official story. What is his source?

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Re: Einsatzgruppen / Critique

Postby Mkk » 8 years 10 months ago (Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:48 pm)

What is his source?

Well, the "official" plaque that said 4 million! Some allege even higher numbers. When it comes to the deaths at each camps, in recent years the numbers have solidified a bit, but that wasn't the case back in the infancy of Holocaust propaganda.
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Re: Einsatzgruppen / Critique

Postby Haldan » 8 years 10 months ago (Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:50 pm)

Blogbuster wrote:Haldan,
It's well known that Sergey Romanov, and his Holocaust Controversies friends like Nick Terry, Muehlenkamp, and Mathis are insincere, amateurs at best. Their research is fraught with errors, their prose is nothing more than mud slinging, and their fear of accepting challenges from revisionists as well as other Holocaust believers is laughable.

They are not to be taken seriously.


I know this. However! Carlo Mattogno is preparing an answer to their "critique" and the word is that this will shred their illusions to nothingness.
Please keep in mind that this "critique" is their best effort at countering revisionist argument. You may find, if you had any faith in their analysis and conclusions, if one may refer to them as such, that you'll need something way more than that.
They published their "critique" at a time when they knew that the major revisionists mentioned where occupied elsewhere. Now these revisionists have to dedicate their time answering this nonsense and it will, to be thorough, require several hundred pages. But it will also be the last thing they will "have" to answer to this fringe group of people.
Do keep in memory that this HC-blog are and have mainly been interested in gathering information on individuals which they oppose or do not like. They have wrecked two web pages only to impulse their own blog and forum on the web.

You may find them speechless in a couple of months, in regards with substance. It's always like that, and I kid you not! Whenever you attack them in substance you will only get knee-jerk responses back coupled with guesses at ones identity--as if that's what matters.
Personally I do not care one bit who they are: if they can debate their issue with facts I don't care. But they have even dedicated some of their board members in persecuting other individuals for over five years (see Albrecht Kolthoff), who is a board member of THHP).
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Re: Einsatzgruppen / Critique

Postby Mkk » 8 years 10 months ago (Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:51 pm)

Carlo Mattogno is preparing an answer to their "critique" and the word is that this will shred their illusions to nothingness.

They indeed are! It will not be finished for a few months (July or August) but it is still something to look forward to.

http://www.revblog.codoh.com/2012/03/co ... -reinhard/
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Re: Einsatzgruppen / Critique

Postby Hannover » 8 years 10 months ago (Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:39 pm)

The full text to:
http://www.revblog.codoh.com/2012/03/co ... -reinhard/

Communiqué on our response to “Holocaust Denial and Operation Reinhard”

Posted By Thomas Kues On March 18, 2012 @ 1:23 pm In Belzec,Gas Chambers,Operation Reinhardt,Sobibor,Treblinka | Comments Disabled

by Carlo Mattogno, Jürgen Graf, and Thomas Kues

In late December 2011, we received a long text entitled Holocaust Denial and Operation Reinhard. A Critique of the Falsehoods of Mattogno, Graf and Kues. The authors are Jonathan Harrison, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Jason Myers, Sergey Romanov and Nicholas Terry. The object of their critique are the following three books:

Mattogno, Carlo, Jürgen Graf, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?, Theses & Dissertation Press, Chicago 2004.
Mattogno, Carlo, Belzec in Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research and History, Theses & Dissertation Press, Chicago 2004.
Graf, Jürgen, Thomas Kues and Carlo Mattogno, Sobibór. Holocaust Propaganda and Reality, The Barnes Review, Washington DC 2010.

It stands to reason that we could not afford to ignore such a challenge because this would have been tantamount to surrender. Initially we considered contenting ourselves with a summary reply, pointing out the most glaring fallacies and idiocies in the arguments of our opponents, but we then decided to use the „steam roller method“ instead, discussing and refuting all major arguments our five adversaries adduce in their paper.

This means that our response will be extremely long (several hundreds of pages). The bulk of our rebuttal will be written by Carlo Mattogno. This is inevitable because Mattogno, being the most prolific of us, is the main target of our adversaries’ attacks. Since Mattogno’s part will have to be translated from Italian into English, this alone will inevitably delay the publication of our reply, not to mention the fact that the three of us will have to coordinate our texts in order to reduce the inevitable repetitions to a minimum.

Should Caroline Sturdy Colls publish her paper about her archeological research at Treblinka before we have finished our rebuttal, Thomas Kues will include an analysis of her results in his chapter on the excavations at Belzec and Sobibor.

For the aforementioned reasons, our response will probably not be ready before July or August. Much to our regret, this delays the beginning of our study upon the Einsatzgruppen. On the other hand, after the publication of our reply we will not have the slightest obligation to pay any further attention to anything MM. Harrison, Mühlenkamp, Myers, Romanov and Terry might publish in the future.

12 March 2012 Carlo Mattogno, Jürgen Graf, Thomas Kues

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Jonathan Harrison, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Jason Myers, Sergey Romanov and Nicholas Terry ? Is this a joke? They haven't a chance against Mattogno, Graf, & Kues. It's like men against children. Jonathan Harrison, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Jason Myers, Sergey Romanov and Nicholas Terry have all been butt whipped at this forum.

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