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Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 8 years 6 months ago (Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:34 pm)

Here is something I just posted at Elie Wiesel Cons The World. http://eliewieseltattoo.com based on Friedrich Paul Berg's thread titled "Ten Trick Questions for "Holocaust Survivors." http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6776 I said that Berg's Codoh thread gave me the idea to create my own questions for those who insist that Elie Wiesel has to be the author of the Yiddish book published in 1956 in Argentina and it should not be questioned.

So here are the questions I would like those ’believers’ to answer. As Fritz Berg said of his own questions, they are not really 'tricky,' but normal and reasonable questions that attorneys should ask witnesses in court. Try your hand at answering them. I am really looking forward to the answers I will get.

1. Exactly when did Elie Wiesel write Un di velt hot geshvign? [not the year only, but the month(s), day(s)]

2. Exactly where was Elie Wiesel when he wrote Un di velt hot geshvign?

3. How many pages was the original draft of Un di velt hot geshvign?

4. How many pages was the finished, published book?

5. Who edited the book from the original draft?

6. Why didn’t Elie Wiesel make a carbon copy of his manuscript when he typed it? (This was the common practice at the time.)

7. Why didn’t Elie Wiesel tell Francois Mauriac during their meeting in May 1955 that he had already written his ‘testimony’ of being in the camps the year before?

8. Why did Elie Wiesel lie to Francois Mauriac and continue to lie to him?

9. Why has Un di velt hot geshvign never been translated into English or French, since it is the original source work of Night, which has sold an estimated 10 million copies worldwide?

10. Who holds the copyright on Un di velt hot geshvign?
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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 8 years 6 months ago (Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:30 pm)

It's clear that no one can answer these questions, and that is something I already knew. It's one thing to believe something happened as it is said; it's another thing to explain how it happened or could have happened. So ... the evidence that Elie Wiesel wrote this book just isn't there.

Another problem: I just saw at the World Cat site http://www.worldcat.org/title/-un-di-ve ... referer=br that every one of these editions of Un di velt hot geshvign is now listed as being by "Elie Wiesel." This is something new, and this is how the burial of truth is managed. Nowhere in or on this book does the name Elie show up. It is Eliezer Wiesel as the author on the front, and perhaps Eliezer in the story. The fact that they can't leave it that way, but are now listing it as being by Elie is more reason to believe they know the book is vulnerable. There is only one Elie, but many Eliezers.
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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 8 years 6 months ago (Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:43 pm)

Hey Elie, stand up like a real man and DEBATE me on a radio call-in show about how you "survived" the holocaust. School children and the brainwashed masses are so easy to fool. Try to DEBATE someone who knows you are a shameless and scurrilous liar.

If you accept this challenge, email me at [email protected] and I should then be able to arrange for a mutually convenient telephone debate time and get back to you with details.

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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Eric Hunt » 8 years 6 months ago (Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:25 pm)

Here's your one answer, and the end of this idiotic Gruner hoax.

You can clearly see the numbers 15 ,18, and 50 here in the original Yiddish .

bye-gruner-hoax.JPG


And here are the numbers 15, 18, and 50 in Night -

"Here, kid, how old are you?"
It was one of the prisoners who asked me this. I could not see his face, but his voice was tense
and weary.
"I'm not quite fifteen yet."
"No. Eighteen."
"But I'm not," I said. "Fifteen."
"Fool. Listen to what I say."
Then he questioned my father, who replied:
"Fifty."
The other grew more furious than ever.
"No, not fifty. Forty. Do you understand? Eighteen and forty."

So this means Wiesel wrote the original Yiddish, not Gruner's nonexistent much older Wiesel.
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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 8 years 6 months ago (Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:53 pm)

Eric Hunt wrote:So this means Wiesel wrote the original Yiddish, not Gruner's nonexistent much older Wiesel.


It means no such thing. You just don't get it, do you? All this shows is what we've known all along -- that Elie Wiesel copied Night from Un di velt. It doesn't show that he wrote Un di velt. I have already shown lots of portions of the two books in my articles; some are similar, some are different.

P.S. (Edit) First thing you should do is answer the questions above.
Second thing you should do is stop saying Elie Wiesel Cons The World is "based on scat fiction author Gruner's lies about Elie Wiesel stealing etc ...." That is a lie itself. It's based on the work of others (including you) and then a great deal of my own research, which continues and which I don't think you have really read.
Third thing you should do is translate the entire Wiesel Yiddish book into English.
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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 8 years 6 months ago (Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:57 pm)

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:Hey Elie, stand up like a real man and DEBATE me on a radio call-in show about how you "survived" the holocaust. School children and the brainwashed masses are so easy to fool. Try to DEBATE someone who knows you are a shameless and scurrilous liar.

If you accept this challenge, email me at [email protected] and I should then be able to arrange for a mutually convenient telephone debate time and get back to you with details.

Friedrich Paul Berg


Well Fritz, remember that Elie has said that he "will never debate holocaust deniers." So you have no chance with him. He pretends to believe that holo deniers are the lowest scum on earth, beneath his notice. He said he could not even stay in the same room with one! That's how he protects himself from embarrassing questions.
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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Eric Hunt » 8 years 6 months ago (Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:29 am)

No, you're just totally wrong. This proves conclusively that the age of the author of the Yiddish book - and Night - and Elie Wiesel are the same.

You and Gruner claim the man who wrote the Yiddish book was much older, (to line up with the camp document that has an incorrect birthdate for Wiesel)

But they are the same person - the Elie Wiesel that was 15 at the time of entering Auschwitz.

Unless you now want to allege that Elie Wiesel stole Night from another Elie Wiesel who is the same age he currently is
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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby SevenUp » 8 years 6 months ago (Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:40 am)

Carolyn Yeager wrote:It means no such thing. You just don't get it, do you? All this shows is what we've known all along -- that Elie Wiesel copied Night from Un di velt. It doesn't show that he wrote Un di velt. I have already shown lots of portions of the two books in my articles; some are similar, some are different.


It means what EH says it means, you're missing the argument. It means that the author of 'Un whatever it is' was Elie Wiesel's age, not the age of some old man.

Note to EH - ok, you've made your point, but there is no need to attack CY or CODOH, and really, there is no pressing need for more 'research' into what happened in the camps, or who Elie Wiesel really is, or any of that stuff, the holohoax is perfectly absurd to anyone who looks at the available evidence for the holocaust versus holohoax question. The holohoax needs to be CONFRONTED, not exposed, it's been exposed 1000 times over. Both you and CY are confronting the hoax, that is what you need to concentrate on.

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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 8 years 6 months ago (Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:32 am)

Eric Hunt wrote:No, you're just totally wrong. This proves conclusively that the age of the author of the Yiddish book - and Night - and Elie Wiesel are the same.


No, the ages are not the same so you are the one who is "wrong." As I posted before in the other thread, in May 1944 Elie Wiesel was 15 years and 8 months old (his birthday being Sept. 30, 1928). In May, he was still over 4 months from being 16. The boy in the book says he is 14 going on 15, or nearly 15, whatever that means to the author. So the narrator in the book is at least one year younger than Elie Wiesel was at the time. Considering all the youths of around that age (including Grüner, whom we know was there at age 15-16) who arrived at Auschwitz, it is not "conclusively" EW.

You and Gruner claim the man who wrote the Yiddish book was much older, (to line up with the camp document that has an incorrect birthdate for Wiesel)


Wrong again. I have never "claimed" who wrote the Yiddish book. I have repeated what Grüner claimed, I have looked at different possibilities, but I have always said I am not claiming that the older Lazar Wiesel wrote the book. In my recent article "The Truth About Night" I write: "The final version of the book of 245 pages was edited by Mark Turkov who specialized in Polish Yiddish. Where the story came from, we really don’t know. That’s the bottom line."

As far as the "incorrect birth date" which is your explanation for records that you don't want to acknowledge, you would need to offer a much better explanation of that claim of yours.

But they are the same person - the Elie Wiesel that was 15 at the time of entering Auschwitz.


The boy in the story was 14 in the orginal "Night" which was the only version we had from 1960 until 2006 ... when it was changed by Marion Wiesel to 15. Let us beware of "changing history" by rewriting.
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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 8 years 6 months ago (Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:02 pm)

SevenUp wrote:
Carolyn Yeager wrote:It means no such thing. You just don't get it, do you? All this shows is what we've known all along -- that Elie Wiesel copied Night from Un di velt. It doesn't show that he wrote Un di velt. I have already shown lots of portions of the two books in my articles; some are similar, some are different.


It means what EH says it means, you're missing the argument. It means that the author of 'Un whatever it is' was Elie Wiesel's age, not the age of some old man.

Note to EH - ok, you've made your point, but there is no need to attack CY or CODOH, and really, there is no pressing need for more 'research' into what happened in the camps, or who Elie Wiesel really is, or any of that stuff, the holohoax is perfectly absurd to anyone who looks at the available evidence for the holocaust versus holohoax question. The holohoax needs to be CONFRONTED, not exposed, it's been exposed 1000 times over. Both you and CY are confronting the hoax, that is what you need to concentrate on.


No, I'm not missing the argument. EH is missing the facts. Read my reply above. As per usual, Eric attaches himself to one idea, one discovery, and thinks he has found the answer to the whole equation. This is a sign of youth, I suppose, who think what they have learned is all there is to know and they know more than anyone else.

Sevenup, I appreciate your lukewarm support, but to say there is no need for more 'research' shows also how little you know. But you know all you want to know, all you need to know for you to understand it's a hoax ... okay, I agree with you that far. However, when it comes to Elie Wiesel we need that entire book Un di velt hot geshvign translated to solve the mystery of Night. Using common sense, don't you think if it supported EW it would have been? Furthermore, if the Wiesel forces translate it, it probably will. If we translate it, and it supports him, I can handle that. I am not on an ego trip, but I need to find out for myself, to satisfy myself. I have accumulated a great deal of support for my position, which you and Eric, in your desire for things to be simple, are ignoring.

Finally, why don't you try answering the questions I posed. I would like Eric to answer them too; if he knows that Elie is the author, he should be able to connect the dots.
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Re: Ten tricky questions for "Elie Wiesel believers"

Postby Carolyn Yeager » 8 years 6 months ago (Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:20 pm)

Further considerations:

We know that Elie Wiesel's father was not 50 when he was allegedly deported to Auschwitz, which is the age given in the story. So the father's age doesn't fit either, just as the son's age doesn't fit.

Shlomo Wiesel was born somewhere between 1900 and 1903. His mother was born in 1880 or 81. These are the only records we have, made by a cousin (and also a grandson of the mother Nisel). They are not fully trustworthy, true, but when Elie had the opportunity to set the record straight in 2004, he left the box for his father's birth date blank!!

Are we to make things up in order to fit what is written in Night ... as all the Wiesel believers and backers do?
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