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Re: 67 years ago: A real Holocaust

Postby borjastick » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:09 am)

So the ICRC assessment of deaths at Dresden was 275,000 which is a remarkably similar figure given by them for total deaths in the camps... Odd isn't it? Maybe they got the same bloke with the same typewriter to do both. Just as I see no proof whatsoever for the claims of millions of dead jews in the holohoax I see no proof of the claims of some here and others of 200,000+ in Dresden.

What would the city officials be trying to achieve by writing a complete load of tosh stating that 18,000 was the likely death toll? And if you think you know, then prove it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander boys, stop being so cynical. Whereas no one is disputing the incinerated masses in japan by the 'greatest country on earth' and the many times that figure in later deaths and crippling injuries etc afterwards.
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Re: 67 years ago: A real Holocaust

Postby Dresden » 8 years 4 months ago (Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:46 am)

Here's an interesting article. borjastick:


An excerpt:

"In one ironic note, Dresden's only conceivable military target - its railroad yards - was ignored by Allied bombers. They were too busy concentrating on helpless old men, women and children.

If ever there was a war crime, then certainly the Dresden Holocaust ranks as the most sordid one of all time. Yet there are no movies made today condemning this fiendish slaughter; nor did any Allied airman - or Sir Winston - sit in the dock at Nuremberg. In fact, the Dresden airmen were actually awarded medals for their role in this mass murder. But, of course, they could not have been tried, because they were "only following orders."

This is not to say that the mountains of corpses left in Dresden were ignored by the Nuremberg Tribunal. In one final irony, the prosecution presented photographs of the Dresden dead as "evidence" of alleged National Socialist atrocities against Jewish concentration-camp inmates!

Churchill, the monster who ordered the Dresden slaughter, was knighted, and the rest is history. The cold-blooded sadism of the massacre, however, is brushed aside by his biographers, who still cannot bring themselves to tell how the desire of one madman to "impress" another one led to the mass murder of up to a half million men, women and children".

Generalfeldmarchall Keitel was "a German person of some standing" :D

"Generalfeldmarchall Keitel estimated the losses during the bombing of Dresden to 600,000"

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Re: 67 years ago: A real Holocaust

Postby Werd » 7 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:56 pm)

So after reading this

I looked up The Devil's Tinderbox and found this review on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.ca/Dresden-1945-The-D ... 0525242627
This book is not as descriptive as Irving's The Destruction of Dresden. Not enough attention is paid by this book to the fact that we were in a mortal struggle with Nazi Germany, and had to use all means to slow German war production. Dresden, though not an industrial center, was a center of communication. It was the Saxon capital. As for the destruction of cultural treasures, remember the following. After the fall of the Warsaw Uprising, German flame-throwing crews systematically burned all of the libraries and archives of Warsaw. More than a half-million irreplaceable books and manuscripts were lost. The Germans also dynamited architectural treasures such as the Royal Castle in Warsaw. Therefore, although not carried out for this purpose, the destruction of the loveliest of German cities, and its cultural treasures, served as a fitting recompense for the German conduct in Warsaw.

First of all this doesn't make sense to say Germany deserved it given what has already been posted in this thread. I will say that numbers aside, something I dug into for my own benefit when I resurrected this thread
it is clear that Dresden was a war crime and WAS NOT a legitimate military target. So I am to conclude that this amazon review is incorrect about said significance.
Second of all, his use of the phrase "mortal struggle with Nazi Germany" speaks volumes of his ignorance in regards to things already mentioned here.

Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain

new book: 'Britain 1st to bomb civilians indiscriminately '

And finally, does anybody know if the book Jorg Friedrich - Der Brand (The Fire: Germany Under Bombardment 1940-45) is slated to be translated into English?

http://www.amazon.ca/Fire-Bombing-Germa ... +friedrich
And on this page is a review about it.
It is far more than probable that here as in Dresden, the civilian reports of strafing attacks by US fighters were the result of the horror the civilians were experiencing rather than what actually took place. It is far more probable that the strafing attacks were carried out by the Soviet Air Force after the Americans had left: possibly weeks later. The Soviets were 20 to 30 kms away at the time and did not capture Swinemunde until the end of the war.
There are any number of additional inaccuracies within the book which most knowledgeable readers will be quick to spot: many of these have to do with the Normandy landings and the subsequent battles. The author for the most part denigrates the accomplishments of the Americans and the British which is simply not the case.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Fire-Bombing- ... Descending

They finished them off survivors near the Elbe river. Vonnegut, and Kulkane were eyewitnesses. British writer Phillip Knightley stated that people were straffed. And it has already been proven on this board. And Frederick Taylor was caught by Jacques Pauwels admitting straffing happened. Taylor made a reference to it in his book that sanitizes the attack on Dresden. Kudos to Pauwels. So Pauwels not only exposed Taylor's hypocrisy, but he reminded us of how the British knew it was an attack on a city with no military significance and that Arthur Harris, acting on Churchill's orders, wanted that place bombed indiscriminately.

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