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Gassings with Lorpicrin?

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 7 years 7 months ago (Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:12 pm)

Read in Holocaust Controversies book:
In Ukraine, killings continued through the winter of 1941-42, as shown by the gassing of Jews with Lorpicrin to clear the Zlatopol ghetto in Nikolayev on the orders of the county commissar.
http://archive.org/stream/BelzecSobibor ... 3/mode/2up

They cite:
Fragment of a situation report from BdO Ukraine (gez. Müller-Brunkhorst), ca. March 1942 (title page missing); TsADAVOV, R-3676-4-317, p.71; cf. Dieter Pohl, ‘The Murder of Ukraine’s Jews under German Military Administration and in the Reich Commissariat Ukraine’, in Ray Brandon and Wendy Lower (eds) The Shoah in Ukraine, Bloomington, 2008, p.48

A googlebook search for "Lorpicrin" produces 7 results
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Lo ... 09&bih=704

Did they mean Chloropicrin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloropicrin

Anyone know about this, or heard it elsewhere?
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Re: Gassings with Lorpicrin?

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 7 months ago (Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:22 am)

Google gives a single hit, which is indeed for chloropicrin. The hit is an extract from the Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933-1945: Ghettos in German-occupied Eastern Europe v. 2 (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933-1945), 2012, (Hardback) and says
In November 1941, the first Aktion was conducted against the Jews of Zlatopol'. German security forces assisted by Ukrainian police used chloropicrin gas to suffocate 174 Jews in a basement.

The Google Books text is difficult to read, but most of the footnotes give their source as "Reminiscences of [insert random name here].

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Re: Gassings with Lorpicrin?

Postby Hannover » 7 years 7 months ago (Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:53 am)

So IOW, there is no proof whatsoever.

Then someone cite the lies, then someone else cites the person who cited the lie, then another cites them all, on & on. The results? Why it's 'the most documented event in history'. That's how it works.

Just more of the Jewish supremacist tactic of 'we can say anything and don't dare question it'.

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Re: Gassings with Lorpicrin?

Postby Haldan » 7 years 7 months ago (Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:52 pm)

I have a question also. What exactly is chloropicrin and how does one gas people with this component?

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Nevermind! It's a fumigant, that explains it all.

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Re: Gassings with Lorpicrin?

Postby Lohengrin » 7 years 7 months ago (Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:57 pm)

Chloropicrin was – amongst other purposes – a warning gas in Zyklon-B.
(See Some Aspects of Ship Fumigation, J. R. Ridlon, Surgeon, United States Public Health Service http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconusphr.html )

This Report (1931) stated: “Zyklon-B, which consists of an earthy substance impregnated with
liquid hydrocyanic acid and marketed at present with 5 per cent chloropicrin as a warning gas.”

Another discussion of this warning gas can be find on
http://www.revblog.codoh.com/2009/11/re ... zi-regime/

Conclusion of it was that chloropicrin as a rule was added to Zyklon-B, that there was some suspicion of limited poisoning effects on insects because of it, but further research showed nothing of the kind.
Because the chloropicrin was expensive, Zyklon-B later was delivered without the 5% chloropicrin, which moreover had 5% more HCN.

Removal of chloropicrin from Zyklon-B was done by the manufacturer, not on the orders of customers.

It had nothing at all to do with any criminal intent. In a notification from Hoess, dated August 12, 1942, http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... 0201.shtml Hoess warned the SS-personnel for dangers of the Zyklon-B with less smelling agent.

Noteworthy also is the added list of departments and functionaries in Auschwitz who received this warning message: Administration, Archive, Building Dpt., Horse Stable, Personnel Dpt., Telephone Dpt., Canteen, etc. Not one of the Krema’s!!!

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Re: Gassings with Lorpicrin?

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 7 years 7 months ago (Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:28 pm)

Great stuff, Lohengrin. Thanks very much for that.
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Re: Gassings with Lorpicrin?

Postby Hannover » 7 years 7 months ago (Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:15 pm)

The Zyklon-B scent removal canard is old news see my post from April 19, 2003 here:

'Holo. Hist. Proj.'s Andrew Mathis on Zyklon scent removal'
viewtopic.php?t=2499

Hannover wrote:Andrew Mathis said:
This is one reason why Zyklon-B without indicator was requisitioned for Auschwitz. It put off the amount of time before panic set in -- otherwise it would set in the moment they smelled the indicator.

viewtopic.php?t=267


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Another gaff by Mathis is his suggestion that Zyklon had its indicator substance removed in order to prevent those being gassed from knowing and panicking. This is silly since the alleged mesh columns would have had a clearly visible container of material being lowered on a string. Even non-mesh column chambers would have had pellets poured through the roof portals. How in the world would those inside not realize what was going on at that point? It's absurd to suggest that scented or unscented would make a difference at that point. This is just another case of so-called holocaust experts exposing their ineptitude and therefore the falseness of their claims.

By 1944 Zyklon was being supplied to Auschwitz without the warning ingredient, but the reason for this exceptional practice was a supply shortage rather than any desire, as alleged by Exterminationists, to deceive potential murder victims. One cause of considerable concern to some of the German technicians at the time was that since the warning ingredient also contributed to the chemical stability of the Zyklon-B, its removal could present a serious hazard to the end-user. One result of the removal of the warning ingredient seems to have been the shortening of the shelf-life of even properly sealed cans of Zyklon-B.

The removal of the warning scent was decided upon by the DEGESCH manufacturers and not by the SS. This came out during testimony given by Mr. Breitweiser during the course of the Auschwitz Frankfurt trial in 1961. Breitweiser was in charge of disinfestation at Auschwitz. He was never charged with or convicted of a crime.

The 'holocau$t' History Project nonsense bites the dust.

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Re: Gassings with Lorpicrin?

Postby borjastick » 7 years 7 months ago (Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:08 am)

Hannover, you make some very interesting points about the make up of Zyklon B and the supply of and use of it at the camps. Were the manufacturers of Zyklon B ever charged with supplying knowingly the materials with which millions of jews were gassed? If I supplied a gun to someone knowing that he was going to shoot someone I would be charged too. Also I think that Breitweiser not being charged with anything disproves much of the Zyklon B claims, don't you think?
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