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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby HaaDeeCee » 7 years 7 months ago (Tue May 01, 2012 2:48 pm)

The reason Germany had no long range/high altitude bombers is because it never contemplated a war of aggression.

Planes as described are offensive weapons for a war of aggression.

"What about the offensive against Soviet Russia?" Well, even that was a defensive war that beat Stalin to the punch by several weeks. Read 'Icebreaker' for much more information on this.

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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby mincuo » 7 years 7 months ago (Tue May 01, 2012 5:36 pm)

I honestly think that it wasn't the only reason. It was a bit more complicated, perhaps. Milch and others wanted strategic bombers, and they were right at the time.
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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby Hannover » 7 years 7 months ago (Tue May 01, 2012 10:07 pm)

borjastick wrote:Hannover, my earlier post covered all the bases.

You most certainly did not.

I suggest that anyone read borjastick's post he refers to and then read my follow-up. Not even in the same ball park, borjastick has not backed up anything. To say there was no intentional mass murders of German civilians is pure nonsense. And that is backed up by the victorious British allies own people against their interests, and by the documents which demonstrate the targeted areas.

Borjastick, you must do better than just post your wishful thinking.

And the British terror campaign was not alone against German civilians, and of course there were not one, but two atomic bombs dropped on civilian targets in Japan.

Germany could not so easily be divided into innocent civilians and guilty soldiers. After all, the farmer on his potato patch was feeding German soldiers."
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astro3 wrote:From Georges Theil we gain a French view, concerning the horror of Churchill's war aim:
It was Churchill who imposed ... the first terror bombings on civilian objectives (like the city of Duisberg, the attack on which in June 1940 incited Hitler to bomb English cities, including London); furthermore Churchill recommended to his air force to attack, especially with incendiary bombs, the heavily populated centres of old German towns, for the old houses burned better, better represented the culture to be destroyed and were inhabited very largely by the common people and workers in general. He later organised personally the onslaughts of terror and annihilation on German cities packed with civilians, like Hamburg and Dresden, the latter being [in February 1945] but a hospital town (1).


It was not 'our finest hour.' Indeed, one may be grateful to Vera Brittain, who perhaps alone in wartime Britain managed to find and print adequate words, to characterise Churchill's city-eradication policy: it would, she said, 'appear to future civilisation as an extreme form of criminal lunacy' (2).

1. Dietrich Schuler, L'AntiGermanisme, son Histoire et ses Causes Paris 1999, quoting Claude Soas; no copy of this work seems to exist in any London library. Theil, Heresy, p.82.
2. V.Brittain, Seed of Chaos, what Mass Bombing Really Means, 1944, 116.


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Assault on a “German Village”
http://principality-of-sealand.eu/pdf/s ... f0503e.pdf The linked essay underlines the criminal and cowardly nature of the Anglo-American air war against German civilians. 3-D exterior tour of German Village http://www.dugway.army.mil/germanvillag ... erior.html, and Interior Views of German Village http://www.dugway.army.mil/germanvillag ... rplans.htm (click on red stars on the three floor plans.) There is no doubt that the mock-up village planned by a famous Jewish architect, Erich Mendelsohn, was totally non-industrial and non-military in nature.Drill presses and tools were NOT on the menu. It was even called a “village” so as to avoid any possible confusion as to the genocidal and cowardly intent. Besides, military targets tended to shoot back. (click image for enlarged view) Mendelsohn helped insure the accurate integration of the most ordinary civilian features such as furniture into the mix of flammable raw material. Oh, and BTW—it was the British who had begun the deliberate bombardment and mass murder of civilians, not the Germans, with at least five air attacks on Berlin before Hitler responded reluctantly with the first German air attack on any Allied civilians with the attack on London on September 7, 1940. The prior German air attacks on Rotterdam and Warsaw were aimed o-n-l-y at military targets which would otherwise have been attacked with ground artillery and with far more loss to civilians. Churchill. it seems, had been most eager to impress his good friend Roosevelt (neutral-in-name-only) with British tenacity and frightfulness. No doubt, Roosevelt was deeply impressed and soon added America's vast resources and financing to help r-o-a-s-t even more women, children and babies.

Is it conceivable that a smart and oh-so-talented Jewish boy like Mendelsohn was somehow unaware that he was helping murder ordinary German civilians, "villagers," women and children by burning them to death? Maybe the Nazis had the right idea when they tried to expel Mendelsohn and all people like him from Germany? What do you really think, folks?

Nearly everything that Americans regard as “overwhelming evidence” or “proof” of Nazi genocidal barbarism is actually “evidence“ of Anglo-American barbarism. The real perpetrators of “indescribable horrors” that we shouid never forget were the Americans and Brits themselves. The “ugly truth” about themselves is, however, far more than they can bear or tolerate. They are in “deep denial.They are the real “holocaust deniers. Merely to say that Anne Frank was murdered by the Americans or Brits will bring imprisonment in Germany and elsewhere with the enthusiastic approval of human-like creatures like Elie Wiesel. But the Americans and Brits were also the real "holocaust perpetrators." And, they will, of course, deny that as well. So, why bother to even try to tell the ”ugly truth?” There will be no Pulitzer prizes or book or movie contracts. How can anyone possibly profit from telling it? If one tries to tell the “ugly truth” however,one might help save the world from the real war criminals, the Americans and Israelis, who are about to destroy everything!

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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby Moderator » 7 years 7 months ago (Wed May 02, 2012 12:52 pm)

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When you use vulgar, crude language there's a very good chance your post will be deleted, which your last one was. You know better than that.
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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby Heimwehr » 7 years 7 months ago (Wed May 02, 2012 5:30 pm)

borjastick wrote: Don't forget that our BEF had taken a real kicking on the beaches at Dunkirk, 300,000 casualties, so Churchill knew the gloves were off.
Anyway this has slightly less than naff all to do with the holohoax.


What do you mean by that? There have never been 300,000 British casualties at Dunkirk. The opposite is true. Hitler halted his troops to let the British escape in order to come to a peace agreement with the British government. We know that the British government never wanted peace though. Read this and forget about the propaganda you have learned in school:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/2/4/Lutton375-380.html
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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby astro3 » 7 years 7 months ago (Sun May 06, 2012 4:03 pm)

Borjastic:
Truth, speaking as a Brit I can tell you that we Brits did not order the killing of innocent civilians like you are suggesting.

O yes we did (speaking as a Brit). While thanking Borjastic for sharing his views, I suggest he is seriously off base concerning the all-important initiation of city bombing. Maybe he should consider these three facts:
1. The most important date of WW2 is 10 May 1940, when the big Lancaster bombers stated taking off from Biggin Hill to bomb the Ruhr heartland. Germany and France had nothing comparable to these big city-bombing planes. Two months or so later Germany responded by initiating ‘the Blitz.’
2. That ‘Blitz’ was always conditional with the German offer: if you stop bombing us we’ll stop bombing you. Britains are always proud of ‘we survived the Blitz’ but they never ever allow themselves to say, ‘We made the Blitz continue by our city bombing policy, and could have stopped it at any time by agreeing to call a halt to it.’ They are simply not into that kind of honesty – only a few lonely, ethically-damned Revisionists do that!
3. There is a factor of 20 or so between the tonnage of bombs dropped by Germany onto Britain, and that dropped onto Germany in WW2. (plus maybe a factor of 10 in fatalities – 60,000 Britons dead from ‘the Blitz,’ a million or so Germans dead from the great city infernos)

Yes this is relevant to ‘the H’ because at Nuremberg they did not want the two million tons of bombs dropped onto German cities to be mentioned, but instead wanted to walk away on the moral high ground as the ‘good guys’ – and the H. enabled them to do this.
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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby truth » 7 years 6 months ago (Fri May 11, 2012 12:09 pm)

What I find interesting that even very knowledgeable people here (and I am by no way one of them, I am just a human being with many questions) disagree about motivations of the time. Who did what and why is not always easy to answer? I find it interesting that in order to fight Hitler they had to kill innocent civilians. By the way, there are people in Dresden who swear that the actual number of the victims was closer to 500.000. Truth is the the official number is as low as 25.000 said the German News, which also is a joke and I bet at the and they will say that really NOBODY died a all. Perhaps the truth may be in between these numbers - somewhere.

What is hard to fathom is most is how civilians have been killed and that the people who commit such crimes are getting medals. For what? They, the so called hero, too often commits crimes against humanity - this is not only a matter of perspective but of long term suffering to humanity they cause. Only the crudest psychopath would not know how much pain they gave to this World. These people, may know that they have done huge mistakes even if they get medals. The bombing of the cities should have never happened, if these people would have been more noble than the Nazis the outcome would have been more benign.

A good Book I enjoy: "1939 - The War That Had Many Fathers" by Gerd Schutlze Rhonhof (he went through the actual documents being found in many many countries, other than allied countries and is a specialist of forgery too). http://www.amazon.com/1939-The-That-Many-Fathers/dp/144668623X

Anyway, I am happy to be among knowledgeable people here.

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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby Lohengrin » 7 years 6 months ago (Sun May 13, 2012 6:59 pm)

Truth: I would like to notify that the Germans, after the British/French declared War on Germany and thereafter, made about 40 Peace proposals, i.e. peace offers.

Not alone did the Jews/Brits embezzle most of these 40 peace proposals and concealed them for the public, they made during those [b]six years of this criminal and horrible War not 1, repeat, NOT ONE peace proposal of their side !![/b]

The reason for that was clear and simple, VERY SIMPLE: GERMANY MUST BE DESTROYED !! That's was were the War was declared for, and that had to be the end. For that, even the greatest dictator/murderer in history, the communist Josef Stalin,' was welcomed as an ally, later to present him half of Germany and the whole of Eastern Europe!

Hitler freed Germany in 3 years time from the horrible yoke of 'Versailles' and crashed her capitalist burden of Misery, Unemplyment, Crisis, Inflation, Devaluation, "Golden Standard", Interest slavery, Speculation, Greed, to make Germany from a deplorable capitalist conquered country, to a flourishing Wellfare State, with full employment, Health Care for everyone, Salary by Sickness, Pensions for everyone, Family Allowance, 2 weeks Vacation, Sports facilities, Parks, Autobahnen, Volkswagen on easy conditions for Workers, etc., etc. Good heavens, it was no Wonder that the majority of hard working Germans adored this man. He did what he has said !!

That was never, repeat NEVER seen before in Europe and the World.

It was a terrible existential danger for the Monopoly Capitalists of the "West" and more: The goal of the First World War, namely destroying Germany forever and made a slave state of it, was completely annulled. That had to be undone, this time FOREVER !

So the elite of foreign Jewish Capital Monopolists and their media played the centuries old card of 'Jewish Suffering', 'Six Million', and the Ugly non-Jews, to incite another World War.

With that, they sacrificed millions of lives in Europe and abroad, inclusive their lesser 'brethren', while nobody of those wanted a War against Germany.

But what did that matter? GERMANY HAD TO BE DESTROYED !! This time definitely and totally. And that happened. No Peace, no peace talks, no mercy, TOTAL DESTRUCTION and annihilation.

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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby Moderator » 7 years 6 months ago (Sun May 13, 2012 11:03 pm)

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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby Mortimer » 7 years 6 months ago (Mon May 14, 2012 1:22 am)

A British government official named J.M.Spaight admitted in his book BOMBING VINDICATED that they initiated the deliberate bombing of civilians. www.jrbooksonline.com/spaight.htm The entire book is available online.
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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby truth » 7 years 6 months ago (Tue May 15, 2012 1:29 pm)

@Lohengrin, why did they want to destroy the Germans?
1. Was it because they became successful?
2. That their navy outdid the British navy for a while?
3. That they had a gold standard?
4. That they did not want a banking system based in interest rates?
5. Was it because of their secret science projects (flying objects - UFO like)?
6. Was it because of the rather unusual Neuschwabenland ideas?

What was the main reason? Also, I listened to the Video below (and it is in German but should be translated into English soon). It said that Napoleon invaded Germany and destroyed it totally and never had to pay reparation. He mentioned many other injustices towards Germans. Unbelievable the double standard and hypocracy of France, Britain, US and Zionists, who also were not all Jewish either. Isn't that interesting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QX8mXpBdHOw

I mean what and who are Germans and why did they want to destroy them?
Why is that downplayed?

See, there is even mentioned in the Video that the Rheinwiesen starved Germans were later declared to be Jewish dead bodies even though some were in catholic prayer position. This should be investigated as many dead bodies apparently are in prayer position.

Also, apparently more Germans starved after WW-I (due to the Versaille Theft Contract) than during the entire WW-I. This is crazy. Hitler apparently brought food back to the table and much more. No wonder, that people got their hopes up only to be shattered again.

See, Germany seem to have had their own form of Holocaust which is suppressed and downplayed. Perhaps, it is wiser to honor the suffering of all of humanity. How can one choose one side of suffering, or one pile of dead bodies, over another pile of dead bodies in good faith and in ones righteous mind? Don't we have any common sense here? This seems totally crazy this useless picking and choosing for the sake of manipulating the mass-psychology.

Quote, " Unless the suffering of humanity is seen in a just and truthful way and in its entirety, unless all people look into their own closets and clean out their own dead bodies truthfully, why worship the Holocaust as so unique among all crimes against humanity when there are still many open questions? All victims of war, during and after, should be honored equally because we are only one single humanity. A "true and evolved" Compassion surely embraces the suffering of all of humanity equally." ~The Wild Mind
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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby Hektor » 7 years 6 months ago (Tue May 15, 2012 2:41 pm)

Stick to one subject folks :roll: .

Perhaps you should first define what "civilian bombing" is (as opposed to bombing a legitimate target, that may also affect civilians negatively). This may also clarify what the status of the air attacks on Warsaw, Rotterdam etc. is, which are often quoted as "civilian bombings", but which were actually legtimate actions of warfare.

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Re: New Books to be investigated

Postby truth » 7 years 6 months ago (Tue May 15, 2012 8:18 pm)

Interesting that "civilians" are legitimate targets. Now, isn't that the ultimate perversion of mind - to hurt the innocent? I am glad I don't understand warfare. It has not brought much good to humanity.


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