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Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Callahan » 7 years 7 months ago (Thu May 03, 2012 10:45 pm)

During an ongoing debate, the issue of "whitewashing" was claimed as a plausible reason for a lower content of cyanide residue in the alleged homicidal "gas chambers". I'm aware that a dampening or increased humidity/wetness of the alleged chamber would have actually benefited the formation of Prussian Blue, but is it possible that another solvent, perhaps bleach or peroxide, was used to clean these rooms between "gassings", or that they may have been painted/plastered? How significantly would this have affected the formation of iron-cyanide compounds? Furthermore, how much would this difference play into the corresponding data collected by, for example, Leuchter, whose entire collection of "gas chamber" samples was either from weathered or reconstructed material?

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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Hektor » 7 years 7 months ago (Fri May 04, 2012 2:20 am)

References, please! The plastering is an insufficient argument, since that only applies to the surface. And just by the way, plaster may also contain pigments including cyanides as an admixture and that may explain the presence of cyanides in buildings that have not been exposed to HCN, too.

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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Hannover » 7 years 7 months ago (Fri May 04, 2012 1:27 pm)

That would not eliminate the cyanide, only cover it up. Samples taken which debunked the gassings claims, see The Rudolf Report, were deep, into the cement / mortar beyond any superficial covering.

And of course, no whitewashing, painting, plastering can be shown to exist. Nor can the high cyanide residue which, BTW, would bond with the wall materials. And then there has been no claims of whitewashing the ceilings, samples have been taken and analyzed from the ceilings as well. The whole story is pure desperation from those that will try anything to continue the very profitable scam.

read:
Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111
and:
The Rudolf Report:
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/
and:
D. Cole: 46 UNANSWERED QUESTIONS REGARDING 'GAS CHAMBERS'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=599

Callahan, it really is very easy to demolish the 'holocaust' storyline. Think rationally, logically, scientifically and it's finished.

Also, from a previous thread, Re: A fellow revisonists article about cremation
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6675&p=48015
Details that simply make a laughingstock out of the 'gas chamber' claims.

The two main 'gas chambers at Auschwitz / Birkenau were exactly the same, supposedly in Kremas II & III. So let's play along with the storyline. Up to 2000 Jews were supposedly gassed until dead, then they were supposedly taken via an elevator to the crematorium directly above. Fact: as seen in the plans, this elevator is hand drawn, and is only 4 ft X 9 ft. How in the world could 2000 Jews have been loaded onto a 4 ft x 9 ft. hand drawn elevator in just a few minutes? Remember, the storyline says that the gassings and resultant cremations were non-stop for much of the period in question. We supposedly have another batch of 2000 Jews waiting outside, supposedly being tricked into thinking they were about to receive showers. It would have been impossible to disentangle all the supposedly dead Jews and load 2000 of them onto to this postage stamp of an elevator, hoist them by hand up to the crematory 'ovens' in just minutes. And this repeated process meant that the crematory ovens above would not have been capable of cremating them in the time alleged, which meant a build-up, a backlog occurred. The storyline even states that the backlog of the to-be-cremated-gassed-Jews required stacking them outside. Once again, the alleged 2000 Jews were outside in full view of this laughable backlog claim, but supposedly they still thought they were getting 'showers'. Of course, timely aerial reconnaissance photos show nothing of the kind.

Furthermore, while the Jews were waiting outside, the storyline says that a SS man with a gas mask climbed upon the roof of the Kremas (only maybe 18 inches, or close to it, above the ground, Kremas II & III were largely underground) and dropped Zyklon-B granules into a container and lowered it down into the 'holes' in the roof, into the morgues which were supposedly converted into a gas chamber. The waiting 2000 Jews would have a clear view of the man on the roof's activity, yet these 2000 Jews were supposedly not concerned and still thought they were going to get innocent showers. The storyline is utterly ridiculous.

We're not done.

The Zyklon-B pesticide granules took/take hours to complete the outgassing of their cyanide load. The storyline says that this same SS man on the roof, supposedly wearing a highly visible gas mask, withdrew the container up from the 'gas chambers' in just minutes. Remember, the Zyklon-B pesticide granules were allegedly dumped and lowered into the 'gas chambers'. And since we know that the Zyklon-B pesticide would have taken hours to finish releasing it's cyanide load we have a situation where anyone in the entire area would have been vulnerable to gassing. Yes, the storyline also says that there were vents which were used to remove the gas, but then we are still in a situation where the entire area is vulnerable to cyanide. Not to mention that this certainly would have been noticed by the alleged waiting 2000 Jews. And where does this SS man in a gas mask put the outgassing Zyklon-B pesticide granules which he has supposedly withdrawn, which would be releasing cyanide for hours?

The entire, bizarre story is unsustainable with even the slightest scrutiny. It's no wonder why Jewish supremacists trot out senile, lying 'survivors' (who wouldn't have even survived if the tall tales were true) for emotional impact. No wonder that there are Thought Crime laws against examining this absurd process. 'House of cards' is an understatement.

Everyone will need to get used to it, Revisionists are right and there is more & more of us every day. Just because True Believers want the storyline to be true (which is odd in itself) doesn't change science, logic, and rational thought.

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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby The Warden » 7 years 7 months ago (Fri May 04, 2012 3:25 pm)

I'm absolutely curious as to the details of this "whitewashing" process I keep hearing about.

Are we talking about a guy with a bucket and brush scrubbing down walls in a room that supposedly just had enough gas released to kill 2,000 people?

Is it a guy with his thumb over the end of the hose like the summertime memories of yesteryear?

Was the water from those miscellaneous pipes we see in photos? The ones captioned "pipes used to deliver the lethal gas"?
Well... which was it? Water or gas?

Where did all this water drain? Is there a floor drain somewhere? If there was, why didn't the prisoners push the pellets into the drain and cover it with their bodies?

Most importantly, if you're killing 2,000 Jews every hour, who cares if the walls are scrubbed down?
Especially if you have bodies stacking up everywhere?
You're going to take the time to clean walls to cover up an operation you're supposedly doing right in front of the camp inmates and next batch of 2,000?


Wait! I found it!
David McCalden has uncovered video proof!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sUNw2DE ... ntrinter=1




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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Callahan » 7 years 7 months ago (Fri May 04, 2012 9:17 pm)

The example I was given was this, taken in 1947:

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Versus this, taken recently:

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I think the point being made is that it appears that the walls used to be painted. Could that have affected the absorption of cyanide?

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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Hannover » 7 years 7 months ago (Fri May 04, 2012 11:37 pm)

Top picture, a gas chamber? Proof please.

The bottom picture is of the "reconstructed gas chamber" at Auschwitz I, not the Auschwitz /Birkenau "gas chambers" that are the rockstars of the 'holocaust' fraud. David Cole has the Auschwitz Theme Park director on videotape admitting that it's not the original structure. It was "reconstructed", what a laugh. It's a Potemkin Village. A fake. Where's the plaster, whitewashing?

Did you even read anything I suggested? It's all there.

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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Callahan » 7 years 7 months ago (Sat May 05, 2012 2:12 am)

I think the main point my opponent was making was that the walls appear to be, at some point, whitewashed, based on the image from 1947. I made the assumption that his next argument would be "well what if paint prevents cyanide from seeping through?". I've never really heard anything on this issue, so I thought I'd bring it up here.

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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby borjastick » 7 years 7 months ago (Sat May 05, 2012 10:33 am)

Callahan, are you saying that these two pictures are of the same room or a different room, and if so where and when was the different one constructed please?
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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Charles Traynor » 7 years 7 months ago (Sat May 05, 2012 10:52 am)

Callahan wrote: Furthermore, how much would this difference play into the corresponding data collected by, for example, Leuchter, whose entire collection of "gas chamber" samples was either from weathered or reconstructed material?


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Prussian Blue is unaffected by weathering as can be seen from this photograph of a real gas chamber taken whilst I was at Birkenau in 2009. One can clearly see the Prussian Blue staining has penetrated through the brickwork from the inside out in many places.

Callahan, it is not the task of revisionists to show why well known physical phenomenon concerning Prussian Blue are absent from all of the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. The Jew has had over 60 years to prove his case. Why are we still waiting?
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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Callahan » 7 years 7 months ago (Sat May 05, 2012 4:20 pm)

borjastick wrote:Callahan, are you saying that these two pictures are of the same room or a different room, and if so where and when was the different one constructed please?


I don't think the point being made was in regards to the comparable traits of the old vs. new photographs but, rather, the simple observation of the alleged 'chamber' in the old photograph appearing to have been painted. Whether or not this would affect absorption, I am not sure. I would assume a determinant in this would be whether or not paint can be shown to have been used in delousing chambers that still permitted penetration, or whether the ceilings of alleged 'chambers' have been painted and, if not, if there were samples that showed similar cyanide content as the potentially "painted over" areas. Does any such data exist?

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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Moderator » 7 years 7 months ago (Sat May 05, 2012 10:54 pm)

Callahan:
You have been given references which will answer your questions, but you refuse to read them. Please read what others have offered you. Your just going around in circles.
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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 7 months ago (Sun May 06, 2012 5:20 am)

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Obviously, painting after the event would make no difference to earlier penetration. Surely, the issue is whether the walls were painted at the time of the alleged gassings and what effect this would have had on penetration. A reasonable query, and I don't see where this has been addressed so far.

Of course, this doesn't affect the other criticisms about the location of the 'secret' installation.

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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Toshiro » 7 years 7 months ago (Sun May 06, 2012 7:45 am)

Lime plaster is in the BW5a delousing facility and Prussian Blue is present. Cement plaster is in the KII "gas chamber" where no Prussian Blue is present, even though cement plaster is much, much more likely to absorb the cyanide.

The walls of the Dachau delousing facilities are covered in paint and no Prussian Blue is present because of the paint.

Whether KII and KIII had painted walls, I have no idea.

BW5a:
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Majdanek delousing barrack 41:
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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby The Warden » 7 years 7 months ago (Sun May 06, 2012 9:00 am)

Maybe we should take a look at the paint supply shipments to the camps.

Or were those blown up too? :bom:

No offense, but the photos offered to show "painting" or "washing" simply look like the product old old camera equipment and a contrast issue (The difference in brightness between the light and dark areas of a picture, such as a photograph or video image).

Again, we've heard nothing about the details of this painting, washing, plastering process, only that it's alleged.

How long did the process take and by what methods?
What about drying time, especially in an underground facility?

The whole thing is absurd on its face.
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Re: Whitewashing/Plastering of walls in alleged 'chambers'?

Postby Toshiro » 7 years 7 months ago (Sun May 06, 2012 9:33 am)

The Warden wrote:How long did the process take and by what methods?
What about drying time, especially in an underground facility?

This would have been done only once, at construction time, so those questions are irrelevant.

The question is whether the walls were painted over to begin with. The believers have to prove they were. So far, they haven't, because the interior of the ruins does not appear to have been painted.

The lime plaster alone will not prevent the staining from appearing, as it hasn't in BW5a. Paint will, however.


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