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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Kingfisher » 8 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:55 am)

Following on to what I wrote earlier in this thread about the lack of Auschwitz tattoos when you search with Google Images, I decided to follow the links to the first 10 hits. The results were quite interesting. 3 out of 10 were to Carolyn Yeager and Carlos Porter and 1 totally irrelevant. The other 6 contained no actual information whatsoever, but plenty of Holocaust schmalz. Most were quite recent photos. You may not hit the exact same pictures as me.

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You can make the connections from the link above. The URLs to the photos directly are impossibly long to copy below without creating tinyurl’s for each, but here are the target pages:

1. http://estherkustanowitz.typepad.com/myurbankvetch2005/2005/05/auschwitz_tatto.html
a blog article about "next generation" tattoos

2. http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/tag/auschwitz-tattoo
Carolyn Yeager's site.

3. http://www.chgs.umn.edu/histories/minnesotans/oertelt/images8.html
University of Minnesota. An alleged academic site. A brief generic paragraph: "Auschwitz tattoo". Names the tattoo owner, but no evidence or further detail.

4. http://www.needlesandsins.com/2009/04/
Illustration from brief item in a blog on tattooing. Linked to http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.d ... S/90420008 a news article sob-story from 2009 about 2 pairs of brothers who were together in the Auschwitz tattoo line, all “miraculously survived” the “death camp” and met up again in their eighties in Israel.
The four survivors, with the consecutive serial numbers, are among hundreds of thousands of survivors who poured into Israel at the birth of the Jewish state. An estimated 250,000 are still alive in Israel, carrying the physical and emotional scars of that era.

5. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Auschwitz_survivor_displays_tattoo.jpg
A Wikipedia stock photo. No article. Photo appears to be recent of man about eighty.

6. http://www.cwporter.com/tattoo1.htm
Carlos Porter's sceptical article.

7. http://www.history.com/photos/remembering-the-holocaust/photo9
“Auschwitz Survivor Showing Tattoo: Denise Holstein shows the identification tattoo that she received as a prisoner in the Auschwitz concentration camp.” Nothing further.

8. http://www.cwporter.com/tattoo1.htm
Carlos again!

9. http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Im-a-proud-Jewish-boy-that-survived/2005/01/21/1106110938123.html

A piece of morale-boosting propaganda from 2005
Holocaust survivor Charles Winter shows his tattooed arm. He now uses his Auschwitz numbers for his mobile phone and an email PIN

Worth a read. A classic of its kind

10. http://womenforschapelle.blogspot.co.uk/2010_06_01_archive.html

Led to a completely unrelated blog where the picture doesn’t actually appear. The photo was one of those staged by the Russians a few weeks after they captured Auschwitz, with healthy well-fed children showing off their tattoos.

Some points occur to me:
- If having a memorial tattoo is so popular today might it not have occurred in the earlier generation too?
- Has any non-Jew ever displayed a tattoo?
- Why are camp returnees such as Wiesel and Simone Veil loath to show the tattoos they claim to have? Just once?

I am not saying the tattooing didn't happen. Just that there is room for legitimate doubt and objective enquiry. (Maybe this is the first step in promoting the wider Revisionist issue, too.)

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 8 years 1 month ago (Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:19 pm)

SHMAGLEVSKAYA: No, I am speaking of the children who were born in the concentration camps. A few minutes after delivery the child was taken from the mother, who never saw it again.

After a few days the mother had to return to work. In 1942 there were no special blocks in the camp for the children. At the beginning of 1943, when they started to tattoo the internees, the children born in the concentration camps were also branded. The number was tattooed on their legs.

MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Why on the leg?

SHMAGLEVSKAYA: Because the child is very small and there was not enough room on their tiny arms for the number, which contained five digits. The children did not have special numbers but bore the same numbers as the grown-ups; that is to say, they were given serial numbers. The children were placed in a special block and after a few weeks, sometimes after a month, they were taken away from the camp.
(Children born in camp and not "gassed"?-Jerzy)

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby lazamtlob » 8 years 1 month ago (Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:37 am)

Kingfisher wrote:both Google and Yahoo had remarkably few pictures of alleged Auschwitz tattoos.


Really? This is what I found in a few minutes.

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby borjastick » 8 years 1 month ago (Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:52 am)

Interesting pictures all showing how so many people survived the death camps.
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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Kladderadatsch » 8 years 1 month ago (Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:08 am)

lazamtlob wrote:
Kingfisher wrote:both Google and Yahoo had remarkably few pictures of alleged Auschwitz tattoos.


Really? This is what I found in a few minutes.


You missed this one . . .

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and this one . . .

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and umm, oh yeah, this one . . .

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I know it's here somewhere. :lol:
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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Hannover » 8 years 1 month ago (Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:09 am)

borjastick wrote:Interesting pictures all showing how so many people survived the death camps.

Yes, living people with tattoos is now 'proof' of the so called 'holocaust'; where it's claimed the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on. It's like any neighborhood with a crematory oven proves that that neighborhood is exterminating Jews.

I guess lazamtlob isn't confident enough to debate the impossible 'gas chambers' so he posts pictures of living people with tattoos. The 'holocaust' story is really stupid.

This is too easy.

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby lazamtlob » 8 years 1 month ago (Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:34 am)

Hannover wrote:
I guess lazamtlob isn't confident enough to debate the impossible 'gas chambers' so he posts pictures of living people with tattoos.


Well I believe gas chambers would be off topic and I would be canned.

Someone had difficulties finding tattoed survivors on Google. I helped out.
There's even three Poles there. Yes Russians and Poles were tattoed too (they started with them in 1940)

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Hannover » 8 years 1 month ago (Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:51 am)

IOW, lazamtlob, you're not confident enough to start a thread on your beloved 'gas chambers'. You would not be "canned" for that. So, what's your excuse?

I also notice that you cannot show us a picture of Wiesel's tattoo.

A side note: the SS were given number tattoos.

This is too easy.

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby The Warden » 8 years 1 month ago (Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:30 pm)

Maybe the Jews who were tattooed were the informants, rats, and narcs of the camps.
Perhaps they were used to keep the camps free from crime and to uncover any plans of escape or resistance.
Let's call them "trustees."
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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Question Everything » 8 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:18 am)

All photos also seem to invariably show the left arm. Could it have been that they had to remember their prison number and wrote it themselves in indelible ink in order not to forget it? And maybe after the war had it tattooed to keep the legend alive? The question has been asked whether any non jews ever displayed their tattoo. I remember a documentary about a Dutch gypsy woman who as a girl was in Auschwitz and who showed a tattoo. Some of those tattoos look like written in pen the day of the photo.

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 8 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:08 pm)

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby borjastick » 8 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:22 am)

Question Everything wrote:All photos also seem to invariably show the left arm. Could it have been that they had to remember their prison number and wrote it themselves in indelible ink in order not to forget it? And maybe after the war had it tattooed to keep the legend alive? The question has been asked whether any non jews ever displayed their tattoo. I remember a documentary about a Dutch gypsy woman who as a girl was in Auschwitz and who showed a tattoo. Some of those tattoos look like written in pen the day of the photo.


Good point. It may well be that the by now very faded tattoos have been 'made up' with pen or make up so as to enhance their appearance.
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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Haldan » 7 years 6 months ago (Wed May 29, 2013 4:15 pm)

Has anybody ever seen a 'holocaust tattoo' like the one shown in this video?

Either watch the video in full:
YouTube

Or watch it from here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... slE#t=135s

I have never seen such a 'holocaust tattoo' before. Whoever made it must have had really sh*tty eyesight. I don't know.

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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby hermod » 7 years 6 months ago (Wed May 29, 2013 4:34 pm)

Callahan wrote:I hear a lot of different responses when I first tell someone that I believe the Holocaust was a hoax. One that I've heard quite often is: "what about all of the people with numerical tattoos?". I've never met someone with one of these tattoos but it seems that this detail is one that's generally regarded as being evidence of dehumanization, giving way to the motive of an extermination plan.


Would you tattoo people you're about to kill and cremate to ashes? What a loss of time!

Are numerical tattoos evidence of "the Holocaust"? According to the Holocaust narrative, the people who were selected for the gas chamber on arrival were not tattooed and registered. So how could tattoos prove there was a Holocaust and gas chambers?

There was no will of dehumanization, just meticulous Germans and a huge number of forced laborers to manage. Non-jewish inmates were tattooed too. The tattoo was the prisoner's camp number, sometimes with a special symbol added: some Jews had a triangle, and Roma had the letter "Z" (from German Zigeuner for "Gypsy").

Initially, in Auschwitz, the camp numbers were sewn on the clothes. With the increased death rate it became difficult to identify corpses, since clothes were removed from corpses. Therefore the medical personnel started to write the numbers on the corpses' chests with indelible ink. Difficulties increased in 1941 when Soviet POWs came in masses, and the first few thousand tattoos were applied to them. This was done with a special stamp with the numbers to be tattooed composed of needles. The tattoo was first applied to the upper left part of the breast and later to the left forearm.

Funny fact: there is a new fashion in Israël. Young people now bear numerical tattoos too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/01/world ... d=all&_r=0
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Re: What about the tattoos?

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 7 years 6 months ago (Wed May 29, 2013 7:22 pm)

It's complicated because Psyche Warfare did something with tattoos. That famous shot which has all the kids showing their arms is part of a collection of footage, and some of that footage shows a huge tattoo number on a person's stomach. Also I've seen footage of what I recognized as a backwards number. I wondered if that was because the Soviet alphabet/numbers are different from ours, so maybe Soviet Psych Warfare screwed-up, trying to do Latin alphabet letters? But if Psych Warfare did something with tattoos that doesn't necessarily mean the whole tattoo thing is fake. It could have hedged against fake ID's or switching ID's. When Psych Warfare weighs in, it's hard to know the truth.


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