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Concentration camps - worth the visit or just more Disney?

Postby borjastick » 8 years 2 months ago (Thu May 24, 2012 5:15 am)

Can I ask those members here who have been to any concentration camps whether this experience added anything to their knowledge of the Holohoax? Or was it merely an experience worth the entry price but so full of BS and emotionally charged people that gaining any real insight wasn't possible.

I ask for two reasons; firstly because I visited Dachau in about 2003/2004 whilst on business in Munich and it wasn't much use to me. It was an amusing afternoon but I didn't feel that I furthered my education much. That day, probably like all the others, it was full of teenage German school students, most of whom seemed to be smiling too much for some people's comfort.

The second reason is that on BBC tv last night was a programme called Hitler's Children. It documented the lives of those offspring from Himmler (his niece actually) and others including the grandson of Rudolf Hoess. This man clearly had problems dealing with his family history and part of the deal was that he was taken to Auschwitz to see the family villa (which was of course described as being 'right next to the gas chamber'). Whilst there he was presented to a room full of Israeli students on a pilgrimage to the place to have their hatred reservoirs topped up. It was a little pitiful, but interesting that this guy had never been to Auschwitz before, and when he got there he was ambushed by these students. A set up in my opinion.

I have toyed with the thought of going to Auschwitz and Treblinka but would appreciate any comments from those who have done similar trips.
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Re: Concentration camps - worth the visit or just more Disne

Postby Hannover » 8 years 2 months ago (Thu May 24, 2012 4:13 pm)

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Re: Concentration camps - worth the visit or just more Disne

Postby Charles Traynor » 8 years 2 months ago (Thu May 24, 2012 4:25 pm)

borjastick, this is an interesting topic but I will have to keep my reply short as I’m very pushed for time.

I spent a few hours at Dachau in 2011 during a short stay in München for the Oktoberfest (what a laugh that was). I found the camp to be very sterile and unless one wants to conduct a forensic investigation of Barrack X there really isn’t much point in spending a lot of time or money travelling to the place.

Auschwitz on the other hand is always well worth a visit even if one is denied access to the archives. Obviously the museum is completely geared up for playing with the minds of ignorant and uninformed visitors but any critical thinker will immediately see through their lies at every exhibit they visit.

The Auschwitz Stammlager is actually a very nice place. I remember sitting on a bench next to the prisoner swimming pool (not on the official tour) on Birch Alley one morning in 2009 and thinking how lucky the Auschwitz prisoners actually were to find themselves in such safe and beautiful surroundings whilst the hell of WWII raged all around them outside the fence. The exhibits in the Stammlager are also fairly extensive and one can spend hours moving from one block to another viewing them.

Birkenau also reveals its many secrets to the casual observer. I first visited the camp at the end of August 2008. It hadn’t rained for days and the weather was scorching, but strangely enough there was always plenty of water in the drainage ditches: So much for the myth of the burning pits. Likewise the ruins of Kremas II and III failed to divulge anything sinister when scrutinised with the naked eye. Where are those damned Zyklon B insertion holes in the roof of Krema II? The best thing about the Auschwitz-Birkenau complexes is that they are so large there is always seems to be something new to see on every visit.

Revisionists also need to keep visiting these places to ensure that Believers never again think they can get away with deliberately lying to the public as blatantly as they did with the Krema I reconstruction. We also know thanks to revisionist researchers that the roof of Krema II has been interfered with by Believers attempting to create Zyklon B introduction holes.

I found a BBC news report on the Hitler’s Children documentary you mentioned. The short video it contains doesn’t show Rainer in a very good light at all. I don’t think it is surprising his family have disowned him as a traitor. It is telling that his father Hans-Rudolf Höß who was actually at Auschwitz and was a young eyewitness to reality remained loyal to his father the Kommandant.

I can only suppose Rainer’s mental illness first began when he was beaten to a pulp whilst still an innocent young schoolboy by his schools Jewish gardener who had been an inmate of Auschwitz. A violent unprovoked assault of this type would be traumatising enough for an adult to cope with, let alone a child. I haven’t seen this documentary yet but from what I’ve read the most disturbed descendants of the National Socialists covered by this story are the grandchildren, and thus know nothing about what actually happened during the war, other than the Believer propaganda that has been stuffed down their throats since birth.

As adults these people are pathetic but they were children once and should have been protected from the Jewish child molesters which swarmed around them.
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Re: Concentration camps - worth the visit or just more Disne

Postby Lohengrin » 8 years 2 months ago (Thu May 24, 2012 7:26 pm)

I visited Buchenwald two times and saw nothing of a "Holocaust" there. NOTHING.

Otherwise, there are a lot of weard things there:
I saw a crematorium, quite the same as all other crematoria in the world.
I saw some horrible amorphous objects, which all happen to be (after some research) works of "Art",
I saw lots of beautiful paintings, drawings, etc., made by inmates.
I saw outside the camp fence a little kind of Zoo (Yes, the one of which the Story has it that the evil Nazi's each day put a Jew in, to be eaten alive by a Bear and Eagle)
I saw a prison with cells in which criminals, murderers, rapists, thieves and so on were held.(Yes, Holocaust Believers won't believe this, but there were lots of plain criminals in the camp too!)
I saw a little banner in this prison, with on it: "Meine Ehre heisst Treue" (My Honor is Loyalty)

Oh yes, I also saw a Soviet 'installation' called "Genickschuss Gerate", of which a blind man could see that it was made after the War, when the Soviets took over the Camp. After my visit, I know now with absolute certainty that this "Gerat" is a complete Soviet Fake!! Those Soviet guys used this typical NKVD device in Russia and called it: "8 gramm lead in the neck". The same is to be seen in another Soviet-occupied Camp, Sachsenhausen, where Lt.-Col Gerhart Schirmer as prisoner of the communists, after the War was forced to build a fake-Gas Chamber and a "Genickschuss Gerate" and made a statement under oath of that. Indeed, a very interesting Soviet item!

In Buchenwald (that is to say, outside the tourist route and outside the fence) after some searching, I managed to found another very interesting post-War Soviet souvenir: some stainless poles rising out of the ground somewhere. Beneath it are mass graves of more than 20.000 (authorities say 12.000) bodies of German civilians who were after the War murdered by the Soviets.

I also saw the same laughable little elevator in Buchenwald, as was in Krema's II and III in Auschwitz-Birkenau. An eye-opener, because one can now see with your own eyes, how utterly impossible it was, to transport 2-2.500 gassed bodies a time to the ovens on the first floor.

Yes, I qualify my visits to Buchenwald very, very revealing, recommending!

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Re: Concentration camps - worth the visit or just more Disne

Postby Dresden » 8 years 2 months ago (Thu May 24, 2012 8:43 pm)

A Jewish Revisionist's Visit to Auschwitz
By David Cole

"WHEN I DECIDED last September to take a well-deserved vacation, I thought, what better destination than Europe. After all, as a Revisionist I'd always felt it my duty to see the concentration camps in person. My girl-friend, though, said that she'd like to go to Europe to visit Euro-Disney, the new Disneyland theme park in France. So I thought for a while about where to go: Auschwitz or Euro-Disney. And as I looked around, and saw the miserable state of the world and this country, the political and social malaise and depression, I realized that if I did take a vacation, I wanted to go to a place as far away from reality as possible: a fantasy land of wondrous fairy tales. So, of course, I chose Auschwitz"

That about says it all!
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Re: Concentration camps - worth the visit or just more Disne

Postby Kingfisher » 8 years 2 months ago (Fri May 25, 2012 4:32 pm)

Lohengrin wrote: Holocaust Believers won't believe this, but there were lots of plain criminals in the camp too!

This is a very important point, because these guys were put in charge and actually ran the camps. Most of the prisoners' problems were with the professional criminals put in charge, not with the SS or other German authorities. Later the political prisoners (i.e. the Communists) were allowed to take over, but according to Rassinier they were not much better than the criminals. When supplies were scarce, Communists ate... others didn't.

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