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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby Hektor » 6 months 6 days ago (Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:27 am)

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brzozka wrote:
Dresden wrote:Moshe Peer, the little boy who survived 6 gassings, "because children resist better".
The man(I forgot his name) who survived the gas-chamber by breathing through the key-hole!

I believe his name is Arnold Friedman.



I think you are right:
....Most of us are familiar with the peculiar fate of Moshe Peer, the young boy who survived six gassings in a gas chamber in Belsen (as related in the Montreal newspaper The Gazette, August 5, 1993), or with Arnold Friedman, the man who survived a gas chamber in Flossenburg (likewise unknown to historians) by means of breathing through the keyhole (cf. Death Was Our Destiny, Vantage Books 1972). There exists however another rare subspecies of gas chamber survivors: those few lucky ones who have escaped from a Hitlerite extermination chamber prior to or during a gassing. This article recounts briefly their amazing stories.....
https://codoh.com/library/document/655/

Not sure, if it is the same person than this one:
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn78726
https://collections.ushmm.org/oh_findin ... sup_en.pdf
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html
https://www.historiography-project.org/ ... yholes_at/
or this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capturing_the_Friedmans (I presume not, but there could be a relation)

Seems he also spread the canard of crematoriums having different smoke colouring depending on who was gassed:
Over a two-day span, Mr. Friedman has testified repeatedly to seeing thousands of boys herded toward the crematoria, and of seeing trainloads of people unloaded near the ominous buildings.

He told of how he and other internees even thought they could tell whether fat or skinny people, Ukrainians or Poles, were being cremated by looking at the color of the smoke.

Mr. Friedman's sudden indecision in the face of Mr. Christie's forceful questioning touched off an almost-perceptible shockwave in the courtroom. "Couldn't there have been other explanations (for the smoke and flames)?" Mr. Christie asked, pressing home his advantage.

"Yes, there could have," Mr. Friedman replied. "If I had listened to you at the time when I was listening to other people (in the camp), I might have listened to you. But at the time I listened to them."

The dramatic testimony took place at the trial of Ernst Zundel, who has pleaded not guilty to two charges of knowingly publishing false news which caused or was to cause damage to social and racial tolerance.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/con ... edman.html

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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby Lamprecht » 6 months 3 days ago (Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:55 pm)

Soviet Jew Vasily Grossman interviewed former Sonderkommando inmates who claimed to have escaped from Treblinka, and wrote his manuscript without revealing their identities. Grossman described Treblinka's operation in the first person. Of Josef Hirtreiter, the SS man who supposedly served at the reception zone of Treblinka II during the arrival of transports, Grossman wrote:
"This creature specialized in the killing of children. Evidently endowed with unusual strength, it would suddenly snatch a child out of the crowd, swing him or her about like a cudgel and then either smash their head against the ground or simply tear them in half. When I first heard about this creature—supposedly human, supposedly born of a woman—I could not believe the unthinkable things I was told. But when I heard these stories repeated by eyewitnesses, when I realized that these witnesses saw them as mere details, entirely in keeping with everything else about the hellish regime of Treblinka, then I came to believe that what I had heard was true".
- Vasiliĭ Semenovich Grossman, "The Road: Stories, Journalism, and Essays." Translated by Elizabeth Chandler and Olga Mukovnikova with contribution by Yury Bit-Yunan; edited by Robert Chandler, illustrated edition, New York Review Books 2010, page 101, ISBN 1590173619.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:03 pm)

Belzec electrocutions:

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More:
Belzec 'death camp' was underground, Jews were electrocuted
viewtopic.php?t=8136

Photo of electrocuted Jews—material for soap / another fake
viewtopic.php?t=9348

Nuremburg facts: Steam Chambers & Electrocution
viewtopic.php?t=7590
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:14 pm)

Mengele sewing children together
viewtopic.php?t=9827


Isla Koch turned Jews into furniture and clothing:
"Ilsa Koch corresponded with the wives of commandants in other concentration camps, giving them instructions on how to turn human skin into a book cover, lampshade, gloves, or a fine table cloth."
- S Buttsworth, MM Abbenhuis (2010) "Monsters in the Mirror:
Representations of Nazism in Post-War Popular Culture" p. 114
https://books.google.com/books?id=L2baV ... 22&f=false


According to a Jew who survived 5+ years in Buchenwald; Isla Koch used shrunken heads as handles on her riding crops:
"Underneath the lampshade was a stand made from pieces of human bone and, as a decorative item, a shrunken human skull. The parchment-like material looked like a Torah scroll. You could see the tiny holes where the hair once was. There was also a shrunken head that served as a handle for one of her riding whips."
- J Werber and WB Helmreich (1996) "Saving Children:
Diary of a Buchenwald Survivor & Rescuer" p. 87
https://books.google.com/books?id=vVY-n ... 22&f=false


Jews were tricked into getting on trains to be sent to concentration camps with chocolate:
"Young Alex saw action on the Russian front, and was even used by the SS to lure Jewish people to their deaths. Outside the cattle trains which carried victims to the concentration camps, he handed out chocolate bars to tempt them in."
- The secret history of the Nazi mascot
http://archive.is/TvCaq#selection-856.0-856.1


According to the General Secretary of the Association of Romanian Jews:
"... in Banila pe Siret “only” a few were killed, but they were cut to pieces so that the axles of carts could be smeared with their blood...
July 5, 1941
In Banila pe Siret, local residents, led by Mayor Mocaliuc and a certain Barbaza, killed 15 Jews, among them M. Satran, an eighty-year-old blind man, Iacob Fleischer and Iacob Brecher together with his daughter. Brecher’s body was cut into pieces, and his blood was smeared on the axles of carriages."

- Matatias Carp, "Holocaust in Romania, Facts & Documents
On The Annihilation Of Romania's Jews 1940-1944", pp. 22, 166
http://web.archive.org/web/201209070036 ... p/carp.pdf


Tables & chairs made from human skeletons in Himmler's office, Himmler's human-skin lampshade, Human skin copies of Mein Kampf for top Nazis:
Frau Potthast said she would show them something interesting, a special collection Himmler kept in what had become his special lair. She led the way up to the attic.

"When she opened the door and we flocked in, we didn't understand what the objects in that room were—until she explained, quite scientifically, you know," Martin said, his voice now toneless. "It was tables and chairs made of parts of human bodies. There was a chair ... the seat was a human pelvis, the legs human legs-on human feet. And then she picked up a copy of Mein Kampf from a pile of them—all I could think was that my father had told me not to bother to read it as it had been outdated by events. [Speer had told me that Hitler had said exactly the same thing to him.] She showed us the cover-made of human skin, she said—and explained that the Dachau prisoners who produced it used the Rückenhaut, the skin of the back, to make it."

He said they fled, his mother pushing them ahead of her down the stairs. "Eike was terribly upset," he said, "and I was too." It hadn't helped them much, he said, when his mother, trying to calm them, told them that their father had refused to have the book in the house when Himmler had sent him a similar copy."

- Gitta Sereny (1995) "Albert Speer: His Battle with Truth" pp. 310-311
https://books.google.com/books?id=Uqk_D ... 22&f=false


As well as bears and eagles, the Buchenwald zoo had a rhinoceros, tigers & monkeys. The Nazis advertised their zoo, and sold day tickets to Buchenwald concentration camp "sightseers". Ilse Koch "was always fucking some guard or other", "close to her horses". The bears ate either steak, honey and jam, or Jews, depends who you listen to:
"They had deer, wild boar, bears, tigers, foxes. Commandant Koch liked to amuse himself by throwing prisoners into the bear cages. The prisoners built a zoo, too. The zoo had monkeys, pheasants, and even a rhinoceros. The SS opened the game preserve to the public. They advertised it locally and made quite a profit from sightseers. Frau Koch, Use Koch was her name, used to go riding in the riding hall nearly every morning. She was always fucking some guard or other. I heard that she liked to fuck close to her horses, in the riding hall. She liked the band of prisoners to play music for her while she rode. She was so evil that her evil stood out in the middle of all the evil."
- Lily Brett (1993) "What God Wants", page 21 https://books.google.com/books?id=OkJ_2 ... AHoECAEQAg
-Kerryn Goldsworthy (1996) "Australian Love Stories", page 346 https://books.google.com/books?id=ddYgA ... AXoECAAQAg
"Not far from the camp crematorium, Kommandant Koch maintained a zoo with four bears, five monkeys and a rhinoceros. Koch fed steak to his pet bears while the inmates subsisted on 'Viking Salad' (rotten liver sausage, fish heads and potatoes), and tea made from acorns."
- Saul S Friedman (2004) "A History of the Holocaust" page 65
https://books.google.com/books?id=RA5nA ... AHoECAAQAg
"Karl Koch, built within this nightmarish human "menagerie" a full-scale hunting lodge and zoo. The hunting lodge was spectacular and expensive, following precisely the design of old German falconries and hunting lodges. A performative equivalent of the animal-like existence of the prisoners, the hunting lodges housed falcons and caged wildcats; the prisoners themselves, along with SS guides, gathered deer, wild boar, foxes, pheasants, and other wild game animals for the adjacent preserve. The inmates were also forced to build the zoological garden, which contained monkeys, bears, and even a rhinoceros. To add to the absurdity, the zoo animals ate infinitely better than the inmates: "Althought the camp suffered from a serious food shortage, the zoo animals received a daily meat ration from the prisoner mess. Bears ate honey and jam, monkeys consumed potatoes and milk, oat flakes, and other delicacies." Thus, with imminent slaughter and walking death all around them, the inmates were obliged to capture, maintain feed (sometimes be fed to), and care for the animals and game; the Jews were even forced to pay, through a "voluntary collection," for the replacement of animals that died."
- Mark S. Roberts (2008) "The Mark of the Beast: Animality & Human Oppression", page 108-109
https://books.google.com/books?id=1eczT ... &q&f=false


Barney Burson served in the United States 30th Infantry Division, he witnessed the horror which was Buchenwald, the Nazi concentration camp with a rhinoceros, where a Jew was fed everyday, to a bear. Barney wrote home to his wife on June 13th, 1945 describing how the Nazis crushed the cremated remains of Jews, in an elevator. The elevator was thought to have been used for bring up cadavers from the mortuary/execution room beneath the crematorium, until Barney Burson's letter was forward to the Times, by Barney's son, Melvin.
"Burson described for his wife the furnaces where Jews were incinerated and the elevators the Nazis used to slowly crush their bodies."
- Gainesville Times - Thursday, October 4, 2007
http://archive.is/KBCec#selection-266.0-266.1


Eva Olsson a survivor of Auschwitz on the bread made from wood and human bone soup served there:
"Olsson remembers the twice daily rations at Auschwitz – a slice of bread that was 70 per cent sawdust, a cup of black coffee, a mug of potato peel or turnip peel soup and, occasionally, the dreaded “surprise soup” in which swam bits of bone and tufts of human hair."
- Ottowa Jewish Bulletin, 26 April 2010, page 2
http://archive.is/jwJMb


From the 1961 trial of Adolf Eichmann in Israel. Leon Wells, the prosecution witness, claims he worked in the "Death Brigade", the Sonderkommando 1005, at the Janowska camp in Poland:
"Questioner: Mr. Hausner, Attorney General
Answerer: Leon Wells, Prosecution Witness

Q. Were you fed while you were working? Did you get any food?

A. We got a lot of food.

Q. Where did you eat? Amongst the corpses?

A. On the corpses.

Q. On the corpses themselves?

A. Yes, on the corpses.
[...]
Q. Now, when you went to work in the morning and came back in the evening, you say you had to sing?

A. We had to make up songs and sing while we were going to work, and also the Brandmeister (fire chief) would march in front, he was clothed like a devil; he had a special uniform with a hook in his hand and we had to march after him and sing. Afterwards we were also joined by an orchestra which would play as we sang and accompany us on our march to work."

- The Trial of Adolf Eichmann, Session 23 http://web.archive.org/web/201402262024 ... 23-02.html
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby borjastick » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:11 am)

Yesterday a new Netflix production was announced. Called Hunters it stars Al Pacino and is about a bunch of Nazi hunters in the 1970s so I believe. But the wotsit hit the fan when one of the scenes from the show showed a human chess game being played at one of the camps whereby the chess pieces, presumably jews, were being shot when they were knocked out of the game.

This of course is pure fiction and never happened and has been criticised by jewish groups themselves for portraying the camps incorrectly!!! You couldn't make it up.

Presumably they looked at all the 'genuine' events that happened at the camps and dismissed those too because they are so ridiculous to modern thinking.

Claims such as these -

The Wall of Eyes
The Stairs of Death
Lampshades of Human Skin
Bars of Soap from Human Fat
Homicidal Masturbation Machines
Jews Raised by Wolves
Changing the Color of People’s Eyes
Forcing People to Climb Trees Then Cutting Down the Trees
Jews Forced to Impersonate Roosters Until They Fell Out of Trees
Babies Thrown Out of Windows
Babies Drowned in Buckets
Babies Burned in a Bonfire
Shooting Three Babies with One Bullet
Jews Killed in a Truck by Speeding Around Corners
Jews Machine Gunned and Sold as Meat
Rollercoaster Into an Oven
Waterslides Into a Gas Chamber
Kicking Out a Jew’s Diamond Teeth
Killing Jews with Bicycles
Dead Jews Used to Fertilize Fields
Dog Soup
Crucifying Jews
Jews Crowd-Surfing in the Cattle Car
Throwing Jews Into Cement Mixers
Nazi Dog Pushes a Jew Woman Into a Pond
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby borjastick » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:04 am)

Oh I forgot to add that I commented on the Hunters series and the human chess scene on a facebook feed and have now been banned from Facebook for 30 days! So much for Zuckerberg not banning holocaust debate and denial. The odd thing is that in my FB comment I neither denied the holocaust nor was rude about jews or holocaust survivors. So I am unsure as to why they think I should be banned.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:25 am)

borjastick wrote: I am unsure as to why they think I should be banned.

"Hate speech" is merely speech that they hate. You can get banned for doing nothing wrong. Most of the times I was banned I just didn't understand it at all. They will never tell you what part of your post is "hate speech" because none of it is by their own definition.
They just didn't like your post, simple as that.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby marekfreethought » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Tue May 26, 2020 7:01 pm)

Great 'testimonies'! :-)

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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby legis548 » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Wed May 27, 2020 3:08 pm)

I apologize if this has already been answered, but I'm looking for a name of this (presumably) book, or other sources on this quote.
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Postby Revision » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Wed May 27, 2020 3:48 pm)

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legis548 wrote:I apologize if this has already been answered, but I'm looking for a name of this (presumably) book, or other sources on this quote.


https://www.nytimes.com/1988/11/10/worl ... ember.html

Use this to view the full article: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

Or

PDF-version of that article: https://mega.nz/#!OGZjBC6Z!DdDJxM0OiRJz ... xcu7QbiEAY


From the article:

''We saw too much, we hurt too much. We do not want to remember.'' And then she paused, took in a breath and continued: ''But we do remember. How can we forget?''

''Everybody has a story,'' said a woman who would not tell hers and appeared tired of hearing the others speak....


I didn't find anything relating to that shotgun statement.


But look what there was:

"Later, Mr. Hubert was sent to Buchenwald. ''In the camp there was a cage with a bear and an eagle,'' he said. ''Every day, they would throw a Jew in there. The bear would tear him apart and the eagle would pick at his bones.'' ''But that's unbelievable,'' whispered a visitor. ''It is unbelievable,'' said Mr. Hubert, ''but it happened.''

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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby borjastick » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Thu May 28, 2020 4:52 am)

legis548 wrote:I apologize if this has already been answered, but I'm looking for a name of this (presumably) book, or other sources on this quote.


I've got three shotguns, a Beretta 692 another Beretta UGB 25 and a Browning Ultra XTR and despite their value and my love for them I decided to try this as described above. So after breakfast this morning I took them outside to my barn and one by one shoved the barrels through a hole in the wall. They wouldn't bend and thus I couldn't shoot myself in the head.

I can formally announce, therefore, that this story and all accounts of mass murder and bizarre behaviour during the holocaust is a lie.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:28 am)

Lamprecht wrote:Soviet Jew Vasily Grossman interviewed former Sonderkommando inmates who claimed to have escaped from Treblinka, and wrote his manuscript without revealing their identities. Grossman described Treblinka's operation in the first person. Of Josef Hirtreiter, the SS man who supposedly served at the reception zone of Treblinka II during the arrival of transports, Grossman wrote:
"This creature specialized in the killing of children. Evidently endowed with unusual strength, it would suddenly snatch a child out of the crowd, swing him or her about like a cudgel and then either smash their head against the ground or simply tear them in half. When I first heard about this creature—supposedly human, supposedly born of a woman—I could not believe the unthinkable things I was told. But when I heard these stories repeated by eyewitnesses, when I realized that these witnesses saw them as mere details, entirely in keeping with everything else about the hellish regime of Treblinka, then I came to believe that what I had heard was true".
- Vasiliĭ Semenovich Grossman, "The Road: Stories, Journalism, and Essays." Translated by Elizabeth Chandler and Olga Mukovnikova with contribution by Yury Bit-Yunan; edited by Robert Chandler, illustrated edition, New York Review Books 2010, page 101, ISBN 1590173619.

Presuming that it is the same person Grossman is also a co-author of a book he compiled with Ilya Ehrenburg:
https://archive.org/details/TheBlackBookOfSovietJewry

Also some testimony there. But it's hardly testable testimony, if it ever was. It's so convenient with communist countries that have a party line that determines the truth. Well sometimes that party line is put in writing sometimes it's not, but it's still there. The unwritten rules are often the more powerful ones on the minds of people's - That is, I think, the motive for some legislation being formulated in an opaque manner. People don't know what the allowable boundaries are, so they stick as far as possible away from crossing the line they don't know or struggle to detect.


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